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Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

Exalted

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I get more motivation, playing Ganon, when I'm looking through the 'personal MU-thread', for some reason.
We're probably just making Ganon seem better than he actually is <3
A good analogy would be sprinkling sugar over a pile of fecies.

Edit: It sure is dead around here today.
 

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DNA went great today. I got 9/30, but the best of it was fighting Captain Awesome's MK in bracket. I got incredibly nervous first match, and got 3-stocked. Next match, everyone started encouraging me and it broke my nerves. I took him to BF and won. Then, the best of all: he CPed Brinstar, and last stock, last hit, I baited a roll and dash attacked for the win. I was tight as hell though, because I Ftilted him three times, all at kill percents, but he kept hitting the lava and surviving.

The venue blew up. The might of Ganon was displayed with such infernal vigor. :ganondorf:

I got the replay of the second match, I'll be sure to upload it. Thanks to that win, I'm eligible for the PRs again. Let us hope and see.

Edit: Added the video to GanonTube.
 

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Good **** Verm, good to hear.

Not trying to compare our results or anything lol, since the reason I just came here is to post my results... but I also had a tournament today and got 5th/30ish. I beat Arty (#1 in state--I'm #7) in second round winners. I went Pika vs his Falco 1st round and won, then he beat me with ICs, and then he went MK and I counterpicked Ganon and won. It was a really hype match, we were very even until I killed him offstage at about 50% second stock with Uair -> Fair.

But yeah I used mostly Ganon but some Pikachu (which is actually why I ended up losing... should have stayed Ganon haha)
 

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DLA's combo video was chosen for the best Ganon combo video. It's only opinion-based, but an honor nonetheless.

Good job to both players, representing Ganon well.
 

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DLA's combo video was chosen for the best Ganon combo video. It's only opinion-based, but an honor nonetheless.

Good job to both players, representing Ganon well.
Chosen by whom, out of curiosity?

And thanks for the props guys.
 

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Does anyone know how the CPU can get out of the Tumble Animation without using an attack, jump or airdodge?
 

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Does anyone know how the CPU can get out of the Tumble Animation without using an attack, jump or airdodge?
I think you just have to push the control stick from side to side, that's puts them into a neutral fall.

Basically what Tero said. In the middle of a tumble in Melee you had to smash left or right and your character will return to a neutral falling animation.I believe that's what the CPUs in Brawl are doing.

EDIT: DLA, this is the blog. It was made by a Fox player named Zephil:

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=91103
 

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Oh cool. I don't really think it was voted as the best or anything. It's just one guy's opinion.

I'm still flattered though :)
 

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Oh cool. I don't really think it was voted as the best or anything. It's just one guy's opinion.

I'm still flattered though :)
Well, I'm in agreeance with his choice. Your Fair combos are ********. I never realized how early Fair could kill with no or even worse, bad DI.
 

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Well, I'm in agreeance with his choice. Your Fair combos are ********. I never realized how early Fair could kill with no or even worse, bad DI.
Thanks... I just wish I put less filler clips in the video.

I may be coming out with another combo video soon, but not until I can make an entire video in which all of the clips are of the same ******** caliber :p
 

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When I get back from Basic Training I'll definitely be looking forward to seeing it. Make sure you get some good editing in. I want to feel those Fairs as they slam into the skulls of your victims. :ganondorf:
 

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ok so hi, when using ganon i have real srs problems with our 'lag jacket' that we get from grabbing the ledge with dark dive. is there anything we can do to make this lag dissapear-or at least be smaller?
 

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ok so hi, when using ganon i have real srs problems with our 'lag jacket' that we get from grabbing the ledge with dark dive. is there anything we can do to make this lag dissapear-or at least be smaller?
Yes, just drop off and side B to the ledge. It cuts it in half. I do this pretty much every time I recover with up B--it makes you much less punishable.
 

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When I get back from Basic Training I'll definitely be looking forward to seeing it. Make sure you get some good editing in. I want to feel those Fairs as they slam into the skulls of your victims. :ganondorf:
Let's wifi today!!! =D

In exactly 10 hours and 10 minutes after I post this post I'm available.

Till like 12 hours from when I post this post. =D

Let's do it =D
 

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ok so hi, when using ganon i have real srs problems with our 'lag jacket' that we get from grabbing the ledge with dark dive. is there anything we can do to make this lag dissapear-or at least be smaller?
Remember that landing lag from aerials completely cancels it out. I find non-fastfalled DAirs work great from a jump, and of course if you're standing on the ground from a roll or gua or regular get-up, we have 3 ACs to choose from. Here's a hint: FAir and NAir are not the ACs. FAir is just epic though, so if you can sweetspot it by all means go for it.

Also, Flipman.
 

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falcons always bair/uair/nair to avoid landing lag from up b sweetspotting the ledge shenanigans
 

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Remember that landing lag from aerials completely cancels it out. I find non-fastfalled DAirs work great from a jump, and of course if you're standing on the ground from a roll or gua or regular get-up, we have 3 ACs to choose from. Here's a hint: FAir and NAir are not the ACs. FAir is just epic though, so if you can sweetspot it by all means go for it.

Also, Flipman.
This man speaks copious amounts of truth. I adopted the Flipman as an alternative to getting back onstage a while ago. It saves me so much sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPIxG0UgOnQ - 1:40

It's frustrating to master, but it pays off so much at times.
 

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It took me around 30 minutes to learn it, it really isn't that hard.
It took me around the same time to be able to do it. But the difference between learning it, and using it consistently with negligible error in heated matches is... monumental, to say the least. Same applies to FoG.

Failure results in being in a really bad position. The same applies to a number of ATs though. They're pretty easy to learn and nail every now and then, but using it midmatch with a fair degree of fluidity is the big difference. :p
 

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I haven't really experienced any heated matches per se, but I get what you mean.
It's just a matter of repetition and mastery. From there it's a matter of wise implementation. Not at all trying to doubt your abilities, Ex; 'course not. I just know from experience how tough it is to go from using an AT passively, during practice mode or something, to making it viable as an option in a serious match.

Back to what SD said, I encourage Ganons to learn Flipman intimately. It was overlooked forever (never seen Ganons do it, let alone attempt it) because of the technical demands and risks, but it does have potential. People underestimate the use of Ganon's ATs. WKC in particular can be abused so hard.
 

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The trick to beeing able to Flipman with a great success-ratio,
is to not think about the actuall Flipman.
Just let it come automaticly/naturally.
 

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Lol, I knew you didn't intend to do that.

I think FoG is actually harder to learn. I still have to straighten out a few kinks with my timing.

WKC is also great, especially because of the multitude of options it grants you.

Btw, has anyone besides me tried out doing an Aerial Wizkick (you know, shockwave only) after Gerudo as a means of sending your opponent to a platform above you? I used it on some people today and I've landed a good few Usmashes afterwards.
 

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Lol, I knew you didn't intend to do that.

I think FoG is actually harder to learn. I still have to straighten out a few kinks with my timing.

WKC is also great, especially because of the multitude of options it grants you.

Btw, has anyone besides me tried out doing an Aerial Wizkick (you know, shockwave only) as a means of sending your opponent to a platform above you? I used it on some people today and I've landed a good few Usmashes afterwards.
I think FoG took me longer to master, but the Flipman is harder, due to it being both highly technical AND demanding of perfect timing. Plus, it's so unsafe unless perfected. Once mastered, you can do it safely, and do it on stages like FD, FO and LC. Though, LC isn't advisable, since its success depends on the tilt of the ship.

Z1GMA said:
The trick to beeing able to Flipman with a great success-ratio,
is to not think about the actuall Flipman.
Just let it come automaticly/naturally.
Exactly!
 
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