Ganondorf Board's Question & Answer Thread.

[Mister Eric]

There are platforms wich is always nice, and we can water spike you (altho easily avoided).
But ROB has a lot of room to walk away and camp us, or even shark. Id rather cp him to Brinstar/Battlefield.

Thanks a bunch, beepo!

Can anyone else help me with the Ganon vs R.O.B. MU on Delfino Plaza while referring to my questions a few posts above? Any help would be greatly appreciated! XD

<3

 

[mars16]

I did it finally, thanks

 

[Reim]

I did it finally, thanks

Read the OP or buffered a Dair?

 

[Exalted]

I'd assume the first option.

 

[mars16]

I didn't now what OP ment so I just went and read the first post of this thread

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I didn't now what OP ment so I just went and read the first post of this thread

 

[Z1GMA]

The Original Post is Over Powered.

 

[Exalted]

It's Over Priced, just like the Z1G-bra D:

 

[global-wolf]

Is it possible for Ganon to hop back onstage from the ledge?

 

[Exalted]

Is it possible for Ganon to hop back onstage from the ledge?

You mean that you drop and immediately jump onto the stage? If so, then no. There other options though, such as using Uair to "flip" yourself onstage.

 

[global-wolf]

Thanks, I thought I might've been doing something wrong. Didn't know Ganon could Uair back onstage. I'm going to try that

 

[Noobicidal]

Thanks, I thought I might've been doing something wrong. Didn't know Ganon could Uair back onstage. I'm going to try that

Regarding Uair, read through this if you haven't.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=215346

 

[Zatchiel]

Is there a time at any point in the game when the opponent is at extreme vulnerability when Ganon Utilt is a better option than Reverse(Or normal) Warlock Punch?

 

[Bahamut777]

Is there a time at any point in the game when the opponent is at extreme vulnerability when Ganon Utilt is a better option than Reverse(Or normal) Warlock Punch?

Never.
Warlock punch gives more %, more knockback and it's start up lag is lesser than UTilt.

 

[Luxor]

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Couldn't find anything this extensive anywhere.

 

[Z1GMA]

Never.
Warlock punch gives more %, more knockback and it's start up lag is lesser than UTilt.

Don't forget about Utilt's special abilities.
Utilt >>>>> Snake's C4-recovery.

 

[Bahamut777]

Don't forget about Utilt's special abilities.
Utilt >>>>> Snake's C4-recovery.

UTilt IS more versatile, but it doesn't quite change the fact that WP is stronger.

BTW, nice framedata. :O

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

Never.
Warlock punch gives more %, more knockback and it's start up lag is lesser than UTilt.

Utilt hits on frame 81, Warlock Punch hits on frame 88. Utilt also has less cooldown time than Warlock Punch.

Utilt's wind effect also helps against recovering opponents if they miss the sweetspot as it pulls them onto the stage. The wind effect also pushes them off platforms, if they're in their shield they'll go into freefall giving you a free utilt hit.

Utilt is just a much more reliable move compared to Warlock Punch. It's novelties has a lot of uses like with Snake's c4 recovery and platform mindgames.

 

[Z1GMA]

Utilt hits on frame 81, Warlock Punch hits on frame 88. Utilt also has less cooldown time than Warlock Punch.

Utilt's wind effect also helps against recovering opponents if they miss the sweetspot as it pulls them onto the stage. The wind effect also pushes them off platforms, if they're in their shield they'll go into freefall giving you a free utilt hit.

Utilt is just a much more reliable move compared to Warlock Punch. It's novelties has a lot of uses like with Snake's c4 recovery and platform mindgames.

Also, sexy in 2on2 with its Momentum Cancel :d

***** Couter Moves, and Charizzard's Rock Smash.

And the wind itself helps refreshing your moves by 1 input.

Though, I'd use WP if my opponent's shield broke, heh.

 

[Exalted]

FoG -> Reverse Aerial Warlock PUNCH!

 

[A2ZOMG]

U-tilt is better than Warlock Punch.

More range. Less ending lag. MUCH more shield damage (which is something Ganon actually wants). Wind effect has random gimmick uses like detonating Snake's Mine or on Brinstar/Norfair for trapping people who get hit by lava. Wind effect iirc can gimp Ike's SideB causing him to fly past you the same way DDD and Kirby can do it with their neutral B. U-tilt is also a viable edgeguard against Ike's Up-B and Kirby's Up-B.

Warlock Punch only has two uses. After broken shield. And then there is the Warlock Punch edgeguard which is barely viable. The range on it is really crappy and a lot of characters can duck under it easily.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

If they shield break, AD -> FoG -> RAWP is your best option, always. UTilt is also a better edgeguarding option imo, but that's not saying much.

Now I need to listen to myself, and go learn to actually FoG out of air dodge.

 

[Z1GMA]

Note that Aerial Reverse WP doesn't work on short chars.
Only if they're standing by the ledge.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Note that Aerial Reverse WP doesn't work on short chars.
Only if they're standing by the ledge.

So Yoshi and Ivysaur, you RWP. Every other heavy I believe can be RAWP'd successfully.

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

On a side note, Ivysaur back bulb does not have a hurtbox. She's actually low enough to dodge ZZS' grab most of the time.

 

[Enzo]

Yeah I know ganon is badazz and all but is it even possible fro someone who goes to tourneys to have ganon as their main (and dont say low tier tourney, 4/5 of the low tier wreck ganon also)

 

[Reizilla]

No. It is impossible. Everyone on this board is lying to you.

 

[Enzo]

No. It is impossible. Everyone on this board is lying to you.

i dont know if you are being serious or not
poor internet sarcasm is poor

 

[Reizilla]

100% cereal.

 

[Dumbfire]

Verm does it for one, and he actually places high.
Bahamut and Tero do it too, dunno about the rest.

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

Sarcasm is my best friend *is sarcastic*

 

[fromundaman]

DLA and Breezy used to as well, and Fonz, while not actually maining Ganon, does use him in tourny sets sometimes.

There's also Michael Hey I think who places or placed well with Ganon.

I only use him in tourny for some MUs (Ike mainly).

 

[Bahamut777]

Verm does it for one, and he actually places high.
Bahamut and Tero do it too, dunno about the rest.

Don't you ever dare compare me with good players again.

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

Roflmfao at Tero being a good player.

 

[Breezy]

I've decided my next tourney I'm going to go all ganon again.

 

[Exalted]

I have the crying in my inability to attend in tourneys of excellent joy.

 

[Dumbfire]

Why dont your organise one for all the Gannys in sweden
:<

 

[Exalted]

I doubt anyone would like to travel all the way up here, since it's likely that most s live in the southern parts of Sweden.

Also, there's gonna be a huge LAN-fest in my town in October which is mostly for PC gamers. However, if they plan on setting up Brawl I'll be sure to distribute **** where needed.

 

[JOE!]

dumb question:

which of Ganon's moves cannot kill? (besides Gerudo on Stage)

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ganon's throws don't kill until like after 200%.

Jab doesn't kill most characters until like 170% assuming it is fresh.

Sourspot B-air probably has comparable kill power to Jab. Same story with N-air first hit. N-air 2nd hit doesn't kill anything.

Grounded wizkick is pretty much never a kill move unless you edgeguard with it.

Ganondorf's Up-B kills at like the same percents as his other throws lol. Both the uppercut and the grab. Well, if you hit someone near the top with the uppercut it could kill respectably early maybe.

Ledge attacks and ground getup attacks don't kill anything.

Everything else Ganon has can kill within some kind of reason, although D-smash is horrible for KOs.