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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
- Start date
Stratford
Smash Champion
Yea if you DI to get out of the shine bair but the Fox just bairs instead, you'll feel stupid.
Hi, Chival
Hi, Chival
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You mean little Fox guy. Crushing my spirit. >_>
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Shine-bair is useful in terms letting you turn around and not using fair to hit them.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Sure, if you eat AR for breakfast.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
shine has set knockback, % is irrelevant
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Dr. Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Ness
Ice Climbers
Samus
Zelda
Shiek
Link
You can waveshine anyone if they CC. You can waveshine these characters (not sure about Mario in PAL) till any %, shine is set knockback.
Will it combo? Yes against about half of them, I'm too lazy to figure out who exactly; the others can escape by just DI'ing away.
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Ness
Ice Climbers
Samus
Zelda
Shiek
Link
You can waveshine anyone if they CC. You can waveshine these characters (not sure about Mario in PAL) till any %, shine is set knockback.
Will it combo? Yes against about half of them, I'm too lazy to figure out who exactly; the others can escape by just DI'ing away.
voorhese
Smash Master
you cant waveshine luigi!!!/ or the climbers, prolly not even samus
Fortress | Sveet
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you can waveshine samus. I've done it.
SCOTU claimed once on the boards that he can waveshine luigi, but i don't believe it.
SCOTU claimed once on the boards that he can waveshine luigi, but i don't believe it.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I do the exact same thing. Bouncing onto the ledge is good in alot of situations.
I'm pretty sure Marth can d.i. or simply hold down to grab it like other waveshine combo-able characters.
Standing up would probably be Fox's next best option. It gives you good invincibility, and you can move fairly quickly after you stand up. If you buffer a roll right after, it is a sure second in terms of safety after the ledge wavedash. The ledge roll loses all viability because of how easy it is to react to. Normal get-up to dsmash vs. Marth on edge-guard is ****. Its also very good vs. Sheik for those edge-guard punishes. Sometimes ledge-rolling takes too long. If you are ever edge-guarding Sheik and you are over 100%, use the forward get-up instead of the ledge roll. All ledge moves become slower and their animations change once you hit 100%.
I actually can't believe YOU just posted this.
You'll feel like crap when they just do nair or bair and you west coast d.i. to your doom.
That means alot. Thanks Brookman.
Any advice?
He asked for characters in PAL, not NTSC. Sheik falls down from the shine in PAL.
Alot of those characters you can't actually waveshine combo. They simply don't fall down from the shine. I compiled a list in a post I made a few months ago. I'll repost it.
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(NOTICE: This applies to NTSC. All I know about the PAL shine is that both Marth and Sheik fall down. You'll have to techchase them or thunders for a follow-up.)
Characters you can waveshine repeatedly:
Bowser
Falcon
DK
Ganon
Link
Peach
Sheik/Zelda
Yoshi
Samus
Characters that can't be waveshined repeatedly:
(Just because they can't be waveshined over and over again, DOES NOT mean a grab or usmash will not combo. Marth/Mario/Doc/Ness for example, can be waveshine comboed into usmash and grab. Some characters, due to their terrible traction, can't be comboed at all after a shine.)
*can only be comboed by an illusion after a JCed shine or in a corner.
Luigi
Ice Climbers
*can be comboed with most moves after waveshine, excluding another shine
Mario
Doc
Marth
Ness
Keep in mind that the angles of certain levels will kill follow-ups. Corneria and DK64 are good examples. Sometimes when you shine they will be knocked into the air or bounce because of the sloped ground. When an opponent has been shined into the air or while in the air, their landing animation cancels out the shine's stun or "pushback frames". They can then do anything freely from that neutral position (i.e. Roll, shield, attack, jump)
Characters that fall down from the shine:
(if you land a shine on these characters, I suggest you go for a thunders combo (waveshine -> jab), or techchase grab, usmash, or any other move you think will work.)
Falco
Fox
Game and Watch
Jiggs
Kirby
Mewtwo
Pikachu
Pichu
Roy
Young Link
battousai555
Smash Ace
In what situation would a shine-upsmash be the best option? If you predict that a spacie will miss a tech?
What characters can you combo by running at them and doing a shine-upsmash? I've done it on Ganon, but I'm not sure if he can just DI out of it. Many thanks.
What characters can you combo by running at them and doing a shine-upsmash? I've done it on Ganon, but I'm not sure if he can just DI out of it. Many thanks.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
shine usmash doesn't have much use. If anything it makes landing the usmash harder because of the extra input. What if they accidentally d.i. the shine and escape the usmash? Can you imagine losing an important set because all you had to do was usmash and not shine in between?
lol
It works on every character. You need to have a good running start so the momentum will carry you towards them after you shine. Yes, they can d.i. out (and most people usually do, expecting only the usmash and d.i.ing away to begin with).
I only ever do it when I see that they've missed a tech, or mid combo (during a friendly).
cough peterx cough
If you try to shine usmash at every point you would normally usmash, you'll find it whiffing alot. Like I said earlier in this post, everyone is already holding away when you hit them to d.i. the usmash. Shine usmash misses alot because of this. The running start makes up for them d.i.ing away alot of the time, so keep that in mind.
lol
It works on every character. You need to have a good running start so the momentum will carry you towards them after you shine. Yes, they can d.i. out (and most people usually do, expecting only the usmash and d.i.ing away to begin with).
I only ever do it when I see that they've missed a tech, or mid combo (during a friendly).
cough peterx cough
If you try to shine usmash at every point you would normally usmash, you'll find it whiffing alot. Like I said earlier in this post, everyone is already holding away when you hit them to d.i. the usmash. Shine usmash misses alot because of this. The running start makes up for them d.i.ing away alot of the time, so keep that in mind.
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
raynex i watched your set v darc. so close!! u shoulda won the first on FD and you woulda had it. nice job man.
Fortress | Sveet
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raynex, if marth is spaced so he hits the edge at the end of the shine knockback, then yes he'll grab. if he is closer than ~half that he won't be able to hold in and grab the edge. It really sucks.
Yes. You can even see him holding the hamster if you look close.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Would you believe...at the end of the first match I tried to DD grab, which would have worked if my control stick wasn't sticking the whole day.
The last grab he got on me, you'll see I did a weird trip up thing and grabbed instead of running away and turning around. The controller was on loan from Kirbykaze. Its old and he used it back when we went to Pound 3, and he had experienced problems with it too. I used it for a few months at local events, but the Rom2 trip was sort of last minute so I took his controller because I had no other options.
I gave it back to KK after we got back to Canada.
LOL I can't believe I didn't notice that before. Dark Alliance all dai son.
-PM-
Smash Ace
I'm from MI. I doubt it. lol.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I didn't use it because the L-button padding ripped.
I.B
Smash Lord
What else was wrong? Padding on one of the jump buttons as well right?
Flamin Roy
Smash Ace
hehe fox players and there controller borrowing from sheiks lol
WhatIsRaizen?
Smash Ace
If you guys don't mind.
voorhese
Smash Master
hey raynex tomacawk and I have a match of doubles recorded w/ my friend who has never played doubles b4 (against people besides me and a few other friends) and i would like you to take a look and give me some advice, and im sure tomacawk wont mind some to
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
No problem. Post the matches?
voorhese
Smash Master
i dont have them, but when they are uploaded i will link them here
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I don't have them. I'm waiting for ripple to give them to me, then I will upload them ASAP. I'd also like you to watch how i did in grand finals raynex, because I have questions about how i should have been approaching
voorhese
Smash Master
"you are not supposed to approach" -Tomacawk
Tomacawk
Smash Master
yeah I know you aren't supposed to, but sometimes you have to. patience is something I lack. it's pretty evident that goose beat me because I kept approaching him and he was more patient, which pretty much equates to he played better
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Anyone here going to winterfest? mm me if you areeeeeeeeee
Mr Physych
Smash Apprentice
This isnt just a fox specific question but im asking it here because this is the character i play, i have been watching alot of videos of mango and other players and i notice when they spotdodge after aerials they do it really fast and i was wondering do you find it more effective to spotdodge with the controlstick or do you prefer to buffer your spotdodges with the cstick
buffering is easy, so if that's the game plan, do it.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
pfft it's not like any fox player doesn't know the exact timing of when their aerials are done anyways. If you didn't you'd suck at pretty much everything after an aerial.
yea, that's a legit point too, but i mean, it's still automatically frame perfect if you're buffering, right? I mean, I guess it doesn't matter if your tech skill is solid, but it seems like buffering gives you a larger margin for error.
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buffering actually gives you 1 frame of your shield while manually doing it would have none.
voorhese
Smash Master
hey i have a thought.... if buffering gives u exactly 1 frame of sheild, then if they hit u during that it would be a power sheild anyway right?
Tomacawk
Smash Master
uthrow
jump
shine
jump
bair
in that order
and i type like mango
bcuz
thats relevant to the questshin
=D
jump
shine
jump
bair
in that order
and i type like mango
bcuz
thats relevant to the questshin
=D
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
That, plus its a result of terrible DI >_>