Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[kd-]

drill to get grabbed is my favorite combo

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

getting comfy with all available jump buttons makes all the "distance" issues go away

I guess so, Im still trying to learn "x" though, I even JC grab with "x".
Im not very good with tech skill so I try to focus on movement & spacing before learning tech skill.

Btw, how do you guys reposition/stop yourselves out of a dash or dash dance? Do you crouch, wd down or shield to stop the animation?

 

[Silent Wolf]

Me and mango grand finals comin atcha

 

[Jim Morrison]

bring em son, bring em, so excited

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Btw, how do you guys reposition/stop yourselves out of a dash or dash dance? Do you crouch, wd down or shield to stop the animation?

I dont think its important to stop your momentum after a dash with fox. Generally you are going to want to jump or grab/usmash anyways, and they all work out of dash.

 

[unknown522]

Sveet. Are you kidding dude?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Wavedash down in place is one of the best things.

Yesterday I noticed that it is one of the best things there is. After shining them down to the ground and they miss their tech, dash dance, follow their tech, but wavedash in place halfway, and bait them into spotdodging (do this fast and quick timing). Then punish accordingly. That's just one situation, but I can think of countless times where stopping from a dash/dash dance is great.

It's also very good when you and an opponent are having a dash dance battle. You can dash in, crouch to cancel the dash into a job, to jab them out of dash dancing. Very quick.

 

[rokimomi]

hehe, didnt wanna say nuthin, ^_^

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Sveet. Are you kidding dude?

No? I don't think moving forward with dash cancel is good. Shield and wavedash in place are good but I don't use them as much as just controlling my dash dance.


edit- this is only fox specific, and only my opinion

 

[Bones0]

I started using WD down. It's great at catching rolls and other knee jerk reactions to seeing Fox run at you (or even away sometimes). If you primarily grab/usmash out of every dash dance, your spacing is really limited compared to being able to WD down or back and react to them. I use shield stopping as an even faster fake. If you dash towards someone in shield they will often just grab, so if you shield stop short of their grab range and do a mini fade away nair you can bait grabs all day. Then when you shield stop to interrupt dash away, they will be in the mentality of pursuing you to that general dash length, and suddenly you can catch them off guard with a bair OoS.

You can't crouch during the dash animation. True story.

 

[kd-]

If you dash towards someone in shield they will often just grab, so if you shield stop short of their grab range and do a mini fade away nair you can bait grabs all day. Then when you shield stop to interrupt dash away, they will be in the mentality of pursuing you to that general dash length, and suddenly you can catch them off guard with a bair OoS.

Armada likes to do that, I always feel scared they're just going to walk up and grab me

 

[Bones0]

No one is ever going to just walk up and grab you while you're DDing as Fox. If they do, then you must be playing super campy or something for them to not be worried about you just flying in with SHFFL nair/dair.

 

[kd-]

I meant if I ran up and shield stopped

 

[Bones0]

Oh, well that's a different story. I only hold shield stops when I think they are going to attack preemptively to deal with my approach. Like it's good for Peach's dash attack or maybe Sheik's ftilt. I'd use it vs. pretty much any char that likes to swing at approaches. You can always shield stop and just be ready to WD or attack OoS if they get close.

 

[unknown522]

No? I don't think moving forward with dash cancel is good. Shield and wavedash in place are good but I don't use them as much as just controlling my dash dance.


edit- this is only fox specific, and only my opinion

I see

 

[S1 The God]

against sheik i like to shield stop my dds, especially against sheiks who dash attack to interrupt your movement. usually ends in an upsmash oos/grab.

 

[Zoler]

against sheik i like to shield stop my dds, especially against sheiks who dash attack to interrupt your movement. usually ends in an upsmash oos/grab.

Fox vs sheik 101

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yeah, shield ***** some Sheiks pretty violently

 

[ShroudedOne]

The thought of a shield actually stopping Sheik makes me giggle.

 

[Strong Badam]

fox is a good character

 

[KirbyKaze]

The thought of a shield actually stopping Sheik makes me giggle.

Tilts, jabs, d-smash, and dash attack are all pretty mediocre (or worse) vs a good shield game. So this shouldn't surprise you.

Scrub.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Until grabs and tech chases and crying.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Tilts, jabs, d-smash, and dash attack are all pretty mediocre (or worse) vs a good shield game. So this shouldn't surprise you.

Scrub.

But, like...her grab.

 

[Zoler]

If you try to grab from neutral position you will get naired in the face.

So what kk said, scrub

 

[ShroudedOne]

Well then.

 

[KirbyKaze]

If you try to grab from neutral position you will get naired in the face.

So what kk said, scrub

Actually, because of how ridiculous Sheik's grab actually is you can often be grabbed for nairing at her face if she times it half decently.

But yeah... obviously the basic point behind your post stands. There are a lot of reasons why Sheik uses non-grab attacks vs Fox for most of the match. Understanding this will enable you to use shield effectively and fluidly against her - I assure you, it's a really good tool (she has no real set up for grab... she has to do it naked and it's scary grabbing Fox naked). But I don't feel like spelling out all the details of it 'cuz I do that enough as it is. Play vs Sheiks and think about why she's not grabbing when she's protecting herself with her legs & fair, or swings at you with dash attack, or pressures your shield to try and catch the jump. Focus on safety, and how Sheik fundamentally works as a character. You'll probably figure out some good stuff!

 

[Cactuar]

You'll probably figure out some good stuff!

Probably.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I believe in Foxboardsnoobs

 

[kd-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNA7nA5aqHM

 

[Bones0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1bsRkGdFeA

 

[Silent Wolf]

idk if the vids from the tourney last weekendll get uploaded so heres the stream link.

http://www.twitch.tv/gameclucks/b/331533178

mostly noob commentators whom ive never met tho

 

[(*Jman*)]

Omg it's silent wolf

 

[Divinokage]

Awwwwwooooooo!!!!!

 

[omgwtfToph]

ya damn right it's silent wolf

man the commentary on those matches lmao. some like, new guys who started playing in Project M (?) provided the streaming setup and seemed fairly adamant about commentating. then all they would do was read out the stock counts and periodically say "[losing player] has to bring this back"

edit: btw you guys should definitely watch losers finals (

Spoiler

SW vs Bladewise

), it was a really intense/down-to-the-wire set with a lot of good stuff on both sides. and then watch GFs (

Spoiler

mango vs otto

) if you wanna see some 2012 fox ****

 

[PK Webb]

now i no bladewise loses to silent wolf........y u make spoilers!!!

 

[omgwtfToph]

well you only know that if you know what SW's real name is

...btw I edited my post to use spoilers tags so you should too lol

 

[unknown522]

Alright. I'll check it out

 

[PK Webb]

nope u ruined it for me so every1 must feel my pain!!!!!! and idk how to do that anyways

 

[Divinokage]

nope u ruined it for me so every1 must feel my pain!!!!!! and idk how to do that anyways

Your pain is weak, who do you think you are? Nagato?

 

[ChivalRuse]

I can't double shine with fox. I'm noob!