Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[BrawlLover]

yeah, you can almost always get away from shine if you smash di it

 

[halcyon.days]

For shine-bair if they DI the shine it basically won't work, right?

Because right now against a level 1 computer, if I just hit them with the top of the shine my bair will hit them. However, I recall there being an argument as to whether or not the opponent has to DI upwards with the shine, but I'm not exactly sure.

I realize that shine-bair is probably the most impractical of fox's "techniques", but **** it looks sexy as hell.

 

[Antonio Tiznado]

I get pressured too easily, like.. I make myself be in a dangerous position, and end up getting fsmashed by a marth, 0-death chain grabbed, or thrown off the edge and fsmash or spiked or edge hogged. Help?

 

[CanISmash]

try to be calm and get use to it. dont sit in shield dd and move around. and look for openings... especially if getting f-smashed by marth is a big problem.

but yeah you were kinda broad and you might get the cliche response... "you'll learn with experience"

marth takes a lot of work to learn how to not get ***** when u get edge guarded. and even then.... you get ***** when edge guarded.

in my noob opinion.

 

[ArcNatural]

try to be calm and get use to it. dont sit in shield dd and move around. and look for openings... especially if getting f-smashed by marth is a big problem.

but yeah you were kinda broad and you might get the cliche response... "you'll learn with experience"

marth takes a lot of work to learn how to not get ***** when u get edge guarded. and even then.... you get ***** when edge guarded.

in my noob opinion.

Fox wins on the stage, Marth wins off the stage. That's how it works, unless you get grabbed a lot.

 

[halcyon.days]

I get pressured too easily, like.. I make myself be in a dangerous position, and end up getting fsmashed by a marth, 0-death chain grabbed, or thrown off the edge and fsmash or spiked or edge hogged. Help?

Switch up your recovery and definitely learn to ledgetech. Things that help a lot are using a walljump, shortening your side B, sweetspotting your recovery with up B.

When you are getting chain grabbed, DI slightly (don't DI fully) behind Marth and spam your shine. The Marth will have to pivot grab but it's better than him CGing you easily and he might screw up giving you an opportunity. When he starts his up tilts, try your best to SDI them.

The main thing against Marth on stage is spacing and avoiding his grabs. One thing that I find to be the most useful is drill (or nair) to waveshine to uthrow to uair. Marth gets ***** by uairs it'ss not even funny.

Just remember combo DI and survival DI. When you get thrown off the edge you'll probably want to DI towards the edge to be closer to the stage, but this let's Marth get a basically free fsmash so DI away and try to recover.

I think it matteres where you get hit with his spike but I believe you can SDI the hit and walltech the side of the stage when you hit it. Same with counter but you have to SDI down and towards.

 

[Antonio Tiznado]

Switch up your recovery and definitely learn to ledgetech. Things that help a lot are using a walljump, shortening your side B, sweetspotting your recovery with up B.

When you are getting chain grabbed, DI slightly (don't DI fully) behind Marth and spam your shine. The Marth will have to pivot grab but it's better than him CGing you easily and he might screw up giving you an opportunity. When he starts his up tilts, try your best to SDI them.

Thanks a bunch, those two paragraphs really help a lot.

 

[Alukard]

hey jman ... why is ur QnA thread sooo ... dead???

=]

 

[PB&J]

how do u fight icy's with fox

 

[Anonymous.]

brawl is gay, it sucks and should be banned from planet earth imho
this thread is great btw, and im gonna spam questions when im not about to go sleep (its 11.00 here)

And when we transport to mars we'll have to play brawl again?

Hell no. The entire universe.

Now, for my question.

On what frame does foxes nair hit?

 

[RaynEX]

how do u fight icy's with fox

Spam shine, don't grab unless you're sure you can get popo, space bairs on them.

Play smart vs. ICs and don't get too close. I told Swiftbass to spam spine vs. Wobbles at Pound 3 and he won. (in pools)

ggz

 

[PB&J]

or just play like raynex..i already new how of course i just wanted to see what jman said

 

[KirbyKaze]

On what frame does foxes nair hit?

four.

10chars

 

[halcyon.days]

Which characters can be directly usmashed out of uthrow at low percent?

I can do it at like 70% on CPU Falco's but I highly doubt that's applicable in a real match. I know you can do it on the spacies and I believe marth but other characters I'm not sure about.

Also, if spacies DI away from the shine in thunders, even if you perfect waveshine will you still be able to hit them with the jab?

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Guys I have a question about fox's usmash:
His head is invincible during the usmash. But if you charge it, will it be invincible AS YOU are charging it?

 

[EWC]

Yes. His head is invincible on frames 1-9, and when you charge, it loops on frame 2. Frame data taken from superdoodleman's archive.

 

[RaynEX]

Which characters can be directly usmashed out of uthrow at low percent?

I can do it at like 70% on CPU Falco's but I highly doubt that's applicable in a real match. I know you can do it on the spacies and I believe marth but other characters I'm not sure about.

Also, if spacies DI away from the shine in thunders, even if you perfect waveshine will you still be able to hit them with the jab?

It works past till about 90 something.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

^^Can you get that even with the strong usmash hit? (the weak hit has more range directly above it i think)

EWC-Thanks for answering. I should start abusing that lol

I remember someone posting a youtube vid of all the crazy shine->something combos you can do on lvl 9's with fox. I can't find it. HELP?!

EDIT: respond to post below, ill edit this one instead of making a new so it doesnt become spammy:
The second one was the one I was looking for. Thanks man.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3i3A8ejPSk

This one? Or maybe this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q2dAueeGj8&feature=related

I dunno what else you might be referring to.

 

[halcyon.days]

How do some people just walk off the edge but turn around and catch it?

Like, I can wavedash while facing outwards and turn mid-way and catch the ledge, but I've tried it with fox to no avail.

 

[Da Shuffla]

I think it's called the PC Chris walkoff. I can't do it either, but I heard that you use your momentum from the walk and just turn around at the last second. But, I'm sure there's more to it than that.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I think it's called the PC Chris walkoff. I can't do it either, but I heard that you use your momentum from the walk and just turn around at the last second. But, I'm sure there's more to it than that.

Yeah, it's kinda annoying when people call it that, I remember a year ago everyone was talking about the Amsah trick... whatever.

You just walk towards the edge..... and turn around. That's it. Really. Make sure you don't dash as you turn around.

 

[halcyon.days]

Mm.. one more question but not really related to fox.

Why did M2K quit playing fox? I heard it was because his controller got stolen or something?

 

[Oskurito]

Mm.. one more question but not really related to fox.

Why did M2K quit playing fox? I heard it was because his controller got stolen or something?

Probably because he realise that he was way better with marth (he played marth already, just check out old m2k's marth videos) His fox isn't that bad anyway

 

[Da Shuffla]

I think he said that his controller got stolen. He got a new one, but it wasn't broken in as well as his "Fox controller," So he started to play Marth. By the time that controller was broken in, he was already used to Marth. I don't know if he QUIT Fox, though.

 

[halcyon.days]

I think he said that his controller got stolen. He got a new one, but it wasn't broken in as well as his "Fox controller," So he started to play Marth. By the time that controller was broken in, he was already used to Marth. I don't know if he QUIT Fox, though.

Ahh well. It'd be nice to see how his fox would play like if it was his main. Oh well.

Here's a question. Any uses for fair? I mean... it has nice knockback but... that's it.

 

[Da Shuffla]

Maybe occasionally to mix things up. Not at a tourney though. I'm sure it would just make people think you messed up a Dair or something. It doesn't L-cancel as well as Fox's other aerials (Thanks, CK!).

 

[4 Aces]

Yeah, it's kinda annoying when people call it that, I remember a year ago everyone was talking about the Amsah trick... whatever.

You just walk towards the edge..... and turn around. That's it. Really. Make sure you don't dash as you turn around.

It has to be a walk though, right? No dashes or runs? Just wanted to make sure.

 

[Da Shuffla]

Yeah, I just did it after a couple of tries. Looks too good. You're probably better off with wding back, though, much easier. Unless you can do the walkoff consistently.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

It has to be a walk though, right? No dashes or runs? Just wanted to make sure.

Yup, that's right.

I don't use it with Fox much either because he has better options imo, but with characters like sheik you can run until you're pretty close to the edge, crouch, walk forward, and drop off. Amsah posted about that a while ago on the sheik boards. It's very fast if you do it right, but like I said, Fox has better options.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

I think he said that his controller got stolen. He got a new one, but it wasn't broken in as well as his "Fox controller," So he started to play Marth. By the time that controller was broken in, he was already used to Marth. I don't know if he QUIT Fox, though.

I don't think he did. He uses him for some matchups and almost always uses him in teams.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

How do you beat m2k's marth in a set? O.o
Seriously though, I need advice for the marth matchup. I suck at it. I just can't seem to get around his range.

 

[BrawlLover]

talk about fox advice/questions, not 8head

 

[Alukard]

yo jman ... quick question ... why are we going to beast when we team ?

 

[halcyon.days]

talk about fox advice/questions, not 8head

I COULD quote many of your posts that have not been about fox advice/questions but I won't.

Is there a minimum percent to shine-bair?

 

[BrawlLover]

I COULD quote many of your posts that have not been about fox advice/questions but I won't.

Is there a minimum percent to shine-bair?

it's about their di my son

 

[Da Shuffla]

Please don't worry about shine>Bair. Unless you do Bair so much that they are ready for it. They would DI up and against, setting them up perfectly for shine>Bair. For the most part, though, don't try it.

 

[halcyon.days]

Please don't worry about shine>Bair. Unless you do Bair so much that they are ready for it. They would DI up and against, setting them up perfectly for shine>Bair. For the most part, though, don't try it.

Why? It's easy to pull off against CPUs at least although i'm not really sure how CPUs DI. I've tried it against all levels and I can do it ocnsistently. And shine turnaround bair has its uses.

But no, I mostly play my friend who plays a good Marth. My main strat against him is aerials to shines to uthrow uairs but sometimes you gotta switch it up =3

 

[Da Shuffla]

Cpus DI towards you, which is why I can cg a level 9 Falco to 60%. Humans would DI your shine down and away to avoid the Bair.

 

[halcyon.days]

Cpus DI towards you, which is why I can cg a level 9 Falco to 60%. Humans would DI your shine down and away to avoid the Bair.

I thought only level 9 CPUs DI towards you.