Sinji
Smash Master
Crush lol.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
- Start date
Could someone critique my matches vs Niko and Hax from RoM4?
PB&J
Smash Hero
Just got my teal controller back from last Apex and my fox is looking way better. Controllers count more than i thought now
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
Yoooo evan I deff trade you a clear back for your teal top! I know how much you love those clear backs
I'd love to
Max?
Smash Champion
Brookman let's spoon.
Thanos828
Smash Journeyman
Indeed. I played using one of my friends really nice controllers and my tech skill was always on point.
Switch back to my controller I used before which is somewhat newer and all of that is lost.
PB&J
Smash Hero
Yoooo evan I deff trade you a clear back for your teal top! I know how much you love those clear backs
funny thing you say that because i just traded my friend for my teal back for his clear back,but ill buy your controller from you @ apex
How viable is CCing falcos dair and shining before he does???? would just shielding and doing stuff OOS be be better???
Also, regarding controllers
i bet theres probably a controller thread, but since cactuar and lovage post here and they talk about this stuff i thought id bring it up
I used to think that the part of the control stick connected to the motherboard was the important part. Because i thought this, i thought that any grip for the control stick would suffice. But i recently noticed that the grip itself was important, because i found a grip that looked good but when i tried it some things were weird like down and up. So it seems both the grip and the stick connected to the motherboard are equally important.
Maybe you guys knew this already, so can anyone confirm this assumption?
Also, regarding controllers
i bet theres probably a controller thread, but since cactuar and lovage post here and they talk about this stuff i thought id bring it up
I used to think that the part of the control stick connected to the motherboard was the important part. Because i thought this, i thought that any grip for the control stick would suffice. But i recently noticed that the grip itself was important, because i found a grip that looked good but when i tried it some things were weird like down and up. So it seems both the grip and the stick connected to the motherboard are equally important.
Maybe you guys knew this already, so can anyone confirm this assumption?
Lovage
Smash Hero
not very
ya
the grip is important, but it's also the easiest to replace and the easiest part to wear down and break in. the control box (and the little white stick that sticks out of it) is the most important part of your controller when it comes to preserving the feel of it.
whenever you need to do work on your controller, modifying your control box + circuit board combo should be the very very very very last thing you consider.
unknown522
Some guy
you can do it from 0-9%.
But you're more likely to get laser'd or hit by a different move, than for that situation to come up
Winston
Smash Master
Yea, it needs to be a true CC, even at 0-9. I think you should probably counter his approaches with full hop aerial or with wd back grab/usmash if you call it.
If you call falco doing a dair approach hard enough to be able to CC then you should just move out of the way instead. Like jump over him and dair or falling uair if you're cool.
Edit: Wait crap winston already said literally exactly the same thing.
E x2: Hey let's talk about shield dropping okay. I think powershielding lasers and shield dropping out is really cool. I've been trying to do powershield drop waveland upsmash but I can't because it's really situational and rare to get a setup and also pretty hard to execute. BUT ANYWAY it can be a pretty useful trick when you are trying to be on platforms and falco tries to shoot you so he has to jump so you can shield drop and get under him.
Edit: Wait crap winston already said literally exactly the same thing.
E x2: Hey let's talk about shield dropping okay. I think powershielding lasers and shield dropping out is really cool. I've been trying to do powershield drop waveland upsmash but I can't because it's really situational and rare to get a setup and also pretty hard to execute. BUT ANYWAY it can be a pretty useful trick when you are trying to be on platforms and falco tries to shoot you so he has to jump so you can shield drop and get under him.
Winston
Smash Master
Is the powershield part necessary? I feel like if Falco is jumping to shoot you he's not going to stay on that horizontal plane to get hit by the laser. Mostly likely he'll get back onto ground level.
also about the full hop aerial to beat falco approaches thing, don't falling uair when he's below like... 20 or something. cc shine is not cool D=
also about the full hop aerial to beat falco approaches thing, don't falling uair when he's below like... 20 or something. cc shine is not cool D=
Winston
Smash Master
Well to powershield it, you have to wait for the laser to actually get to you, rather than just dropping down when you see Falco jump up.
I have taught you well, young grasshopper. *bows*
voorhese
Smash Master
faithkeeper uses it for waveshine OoS
me vs DoH any advice????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbNUof9GnR4&list=UUrgOLAsUwxZbhxORVjgSkAA&index=2&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbNUof9GnR4&list=UUrgOLAsUwxZbhxORVjgSkAA&index=2&feature=plcp
Roboturner
Smash Journeyman
are there any frame GIFs on ledge teching with fox's Up B?
Max?
Smash Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13706Acr2Vc&list=UUrgOLAsUwxZbhxORVjgSkAA&index=4&feature=plcp
GODDAMMIT
T. Webbs getting ridiculously good mad fast yo, **** best watch out for that drunk Birthday swag at Apex.
GODDAMMIT
T. Webbs getting ridiculously good mad fast yo, **** best watch out for that drunk Birthday swag at Apex.
S1 The God
Feeding the streets since 1885
So, I've got a friend who's a peach main and I get caught with 2+ hits of his D-smash pretty consistently. What can I do to try and avoid this? I think it may be because my control stick is down to shine a lot or fastfall or something, idunno, but it seems like he gets a free 30+ damage with every d-smash that hits.
ruhtraeel
Smash Ace
SW does invisible shine reflect stuff still
Lovage
Smash Hero
30 damage from a dsmash is pretty reasonable/nothing to get too mad over
it's when u take 3 or more hits that you're really ****ing up
it's pretty common to get hit with more dsmash hits than you needed to because you were holding down to shine or CC an attack
if you can react (plus a little bit of prediction/intuition) fast enough, you can hit the stick up before/during* the first hit of the dsmash and you will be much less likely to take unnecessary hits.
*note: holding up before the dsmash hits you = 1 ASDI up, survival DI up.
hitting up during the first hit of the dsmash = 1 SDI up, 1 ASDI up, survival DI up. so timing your DI with the dsmash hit is the best case scenario.
here's a pretty optimal example of it in a real match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-BxNprFzo#t=9m14s
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
To elaborate on lovage saying "a little bit of prediction," once you have enough experience fighting Peach you'll know generally when you might be able to get dsmashed. So when you're in certain situations, you're "on the lookout" for the dsmash and if it hits you, you're ready to react and DI up. Examples would be shffling against her or whatever.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
lovage hella appreciate you drivin as far as you did..i really didn't know it was that far or i wouldn't have asked, but glad **** worked out! i got soo much fox practice =D
sinji i dunno how i missed it but ty for the critique i appreciate the time you put into it! i just now saw it so i'll read nao
sinji i dunno how i missed it but ty for the critique i appreciate the time you put into it! i just now saw it so i'll read nao
S1 The God
Feeding the streets since 1885
Alright. I played him for 2-3 hours today and tried reading the d-smash a little more and did a lot better. He's still kinda new so I noticed he was just spamming it every time I approached hoping it hit, so dash -> WD back -> punish pretty much eradicated my troubles.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
so awhile back i was asking about how people were surviving random usmashes OOS at craaaazy percents, and everyones response was that it was CC (Not SDI) and that i was somehow giving my opponent enough time to land and crouch before being upsmashed..well i recently saw it happen in SFAT vs darrell and im prettty sure sfat did not give him nearly the amount of time needed to properly CC.
So i'm still left skeptical. anyone got anything on this? im probably just unaware of something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4ONh7MIVfkA#t=418s
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well Samus's Fair L-canceled is really really fast, it has barely any lag which is why he had time to CC probably.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
just looked back and missed the part about CC activating in 1 frame. guess that's it then.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
HAY GUYS
I had a pretty dope set with Sion last weekend at a Vancouver tournament but got butt****ed in the end. Can anyone give me some vs. Falco pointers? Particularly in the area of like, punishes.
One specific question: Sometimes I would dsmash the edge and it'd work when my opponent would go for the ledge, but then if they didn't go for the ledge I would eat a punish because of dsmash lag. should I be ftilting instead? Does ftilting ALWAYS work when dsmash would hit the ledge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4IXEiJWyqQ
I had a pretty dope set with Sion last weekend at a Vancouver tournament but got butt****ed in the end. Can anyone give me some vs. Falco pointers? Particularly in the area of like, punishes.
One specific question: Sometimes I would dsmash the edge and it'd work when my opponent would go for the ledge, but then if they didn't go for the ledge I would eat a punish because of dsmash lag. should I be ftilting instead? Does ftilting ALWAYS work when dsmash would hit the ledge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4IXEiJWyqQ
Silent Wolf
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I had a pretty dope set with Sion last weekend at a Vancouver tournament but got butt****ed in the end. Checkit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6BmD1-qEs&list=UU1_5V98z_aGD-W5ZQivgCsw&index=2&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pZ9flfCGLM&list=UU1_5V98z_aGD-W5ZQivgCsw&index=1&feature=plcp
edit: so much for my platform camping strategy i was talking about earlier lol. gonna have to handle lasers better and fight lower fosho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6BmD1-qEs&list=UU1_5V98z_aGD-W5ZQivgCsw&index=2&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pZ9flfCGLM&list=UU1_5V98z_aGD-W5ZQivgCsw&index=1&feature=plcp
edit: so much for my platform camping strategy i was talking about earlier lol. gonna have to handle lasers better and fight lower fosho
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Toph I really really like your fox.
edit: although I think u should have stayed on dream land. you kinda got exposed on yoshi's whe his super aggro hardcore to the floor bs was all up in your face. did he not let you go back on ur cp?
edit: although I think u should have stayed on dream land. you kinda got exposed on yoshi's whe his super aggro hardcore to the floor bs was all up in your face. did he not let you go back on ur cp?
leffen
Smash Champion
u REALLY need to learn how to tech vs falco lol SW.
every "Mixup" sion did involved guessing that you didnt tech, and you never did either >_>.
you also played way to campy, you got stage control and you kept it good sometimes with shield spaced bairs but then he just read the hell out of you so every time you spammed full jump he just lasered and then got through >_>.
Once they are scared of going in you need to punish them for staying on the ledge too, just a simple FHJ nair or sh nair, run in shine would have worked tons of times and in turn, made you fulljump spacing more effective.
Your punishes also seemed to lack purpose tbh, there were lots of times when you read his tech and just naired/daired him and it ended there. You should work on using more uair/grab/utilt more imho.
also- dont give up on platform camping. Fox strength in the matchup is being able to switch between offense and defense very quickly with his speed. You just need to work on the transitioning a bit imo, Sion always knew when you were gonna approach and when you were gonna camp which is probably why you felt the strategy wasnt that good. I just think you need to rethink it a bit.
oh and you need to delay your nairs when you jump in, he got so many free shines oos because he knew that you wouldnt delay them when you jumped in.
@your recovery-you shine stalled either too much or too predictably, he was literally modeling his edgeguards around the fact that you always shine stalled so he just waited with his lasers instead. Exploit the fact that he's waiting ;o
also, you didnt really go high with side b once o_o
oh and keep in mind that walljump tech->bair ***** him when he tries to shine->bair your tech, and try to replace your techs->up b with airdodges or sidebs.
Sorry if I sound harsh, didnt really mean to but I cba going back and rewriting it just to sugarcoat it
every "Mixup" sion did involved guessing that you didnt tech, and you never did either >_>.
you also played way to campy, you got stage control and you kept it good sometimes with shield spaced bairs but then he just read the hell out of you so every time you spammed full jump he just lasered and then got through >_>.
Once they are scared of going in you need to punish them for staying on the ledge too, just a simple FHJ nair or sh nair, run in shine would have worked tons of times and in turn, made you fulljump spacing more effective.
Your punishes also seemed to lack purpose tbh, there were lots of times when you read his tech and just naired/daired him and it ended there. You should work on using more uair/grab/utilt more imho.
also- dont give up on platform camping. Fox strength in the matchup is being able to switch between offense and defense very quickly with his speed. You just need to work on the transitioning a bit imo, Sion always knew when you were gonna approach and when you were gonna camp which is probably why you felt the strategy wasnt that good. I just think you need to rethink it a bit.
oh and you need to delay your nairs when you jump in, he got so many free shines oos because he knew that you wouldnt delay them when you jumped in.
@your recovery-you shine stalled either too much or too predictably, he was literally modeling his edgeguards around the fact that you always shine stalled so he just waited with his lasers instead. Exploit the fact that he's waiting ;o
also, you didnt really go high with side b once o_o
oh and keep in mind that walljump tech->bair ***** him when he tries to shine->bair your tech, and try to replace your techs->up b with airdodges or sidebs.
Sorry if I sound harsh, didnt really mean to but I cba going back and rewriting it just to sugarcoat it
Silent Wolf
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thanks for the advice. i was thinking about a lot of those things as i watched it just now too. i dont play good falcos unless i go up to bc so sometimes i just play a scared fox.