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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Sinji
Smash Master
LMAO your too funny.Did he?
Yea I know right. It's been a while since he posted on this thread.
Van.
Smash Ace
^ looooooooooooooooll
crush
Smash Master
fail .
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Like someone else said, I use the firrebird edgegrab when im too close to the edge to get a dash cancel shine out. otherwise, i DC waveshine.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
I think I do the shine-turnaround-firefox edge grab for the sole reason that it looks cool. >.>
Sinji
Smash Master
Yea. I find it to be cool to. Also I like it because of its invincibility.
edit: oh no....... crush is banned again.
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I like it mostly for the fact I'm able to turnaround DJ bair if they decide to like Illusion/Phantasm up high or something.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
shine hogs 4 life!
but pivoting and fast falling I think can be faster out of initial dash.
but pivoting and fast falling I think can be faster out of initial dash.
leffen
Smash Champion
Hai. Im a fox main now!
shinehogs are dope.
thats it.
shinehogs are dope.
thats it.
Silent Wolf
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shine hogs are koo, triple turn around shine hogs are dope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH17HQcUBJ0
laser shine hogs are also dope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH17HQcUBJ0
laser shine hogs are also dope
Ryucloud
Smash Journeyman
I have a question to the fox pros when attacking especially with fox shot hop drills bairs and up airs do you guys use the c - stick more or do you use the a button for more control?
Meljin
Smash Apprentice
C-stick is useful when you try to space and helps you at timing your attacks.
For instance, you could do an ADA in the beginning of a jump with the c-stick, and then fastfall with the white stick ASAP.
For instance, you could do an ADA in the beginning of a jump with the c-stick, and then fastfall with the white stick ASAP.
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Can someone answer this for me? Everyone knows the regular shine turnaround firefox edgehog. I have the habit of running then jumping off then STA FF so I dont get the fall animation and instead completely clear the ledge. I dont get punished for it nor can I put my finger on its viabilty. Would be better to run off and do it normally, or side b into the ledge? Side b seems kinda meh though tbh.
@ ryucloud: It depends on how you want to space/ personal preference. Its not hard to run forward and bair with A but you definitely do aerials faster with A. Its only a time difference of a few ms, but the timing of the aerial itself should be correct not what button you press.
@ ryucloud: It depends on how you want to space/ personal preference. Its not hard to run forward and bair with A but you definitely do aerials faster with A. Its only a time difference of a few ms, but the timing of the aerial itself should be correct not what button you press.
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what does STA FF mean...?
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Shine turnaround firefox
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oh. better to run off and do it normally. you lose momentum from a running jump compared to running.
unknown522
Some guy
welcome leffen!
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
laser shine hogs are hard for me because I don't have the aerial control when lasering. I just suck *** at edge canceling anything that isn't a straight up jump and then fading, auto ledge cancels, or fully forward ones.
do u know if u can invisible ledge jc shine?
do u know if u can invisible ledge jc shine?
Winston
Smash Master
I do the jump off 'STA FF' edgehog as a little mindgame if I've just like nair chained them offstage or something similar. It seems to trick people because it looks kinda like you're jumping out there to hit them. Normally though its better to run off rather than jump off.
Silent Wolf
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laser shine hogs have nothing to do with aerial control, or dont have to at least. Just make sure you dont alter your jump speed and it will be all about your short hop spacing and your shine timing and jump timing. theres no edge canceling involved either lol. dont get me wrong tho, its still a tough trick to pull off consistently.laser shine hogs are hard for me because I don't have the aerial control when lasering. I just suck *** at edge canceling anything that isn't a straight up jump and then fading, auto ledge cancels, or fully forward ones.
do u know if u can invisible ledge jc shine?
if you mean shine hog with an invisible, no you cant. you can however shine hog with a pseudo invisible shine, like i did the second time in that one clip where i do them in active artworkon yoshis. its prob easier with falco tho
leffen
Smash Champion
Why don't people use shinegrabs + waveshine oos, its not even hard ;o (yes I can consistently pull em off in real matches)
Silent Wolf
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because people dubbed it as "too hard" a long time ago and not enough people have started doing it to convince most people otherwise.
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Neither one of those is difficult, and I have yet to land a shine grab oos. Everyone takes the bait and just eats the shine -_-
Silent Wolf
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its true that neither one is very difficult, but being able to do waveshine oos with fox consistently is definitely difficult, whether you can do it or not. in my opinion, to be able to do something means to be able to do it with consistency, otherwise you cant do it very well.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
how the hell is a shinegrab hard?!
the only time it's hard is when your trying to waveshine-grab onto a plat
the only time it's hard is when your trying to waveshine-grab onto a plat
Meljin
Smash Apprentice
Same there, everytime I try to Shinegrab after a SHFFLANA, the opponent tries to shieldgrab my shine >_>'
leffen
Smash Champion
I did waveshine oos/doubleshine/w/e over 90% correctly during the hour or so I messed around with fox in friendlies (this was before I decided to main him, I'm gonna practice to get it much more consistently now). Maybe its just me, I mean on paper its a 1 frame timing but it really doesnt feel that hard.
People should just learn to not take friendlies seriously and actually improve their game ;o For example, basically every technical player knows how to shield drop and can do it while focusing on it, but there is a few number (lovage/fuzzyness is the ones i've seen) that actually can use it in tournament matches, and even then you see how they kinda limit themselves and dont mixup at all when they shielddrop because they havent explored all of it yet.
I sadly believe that I'm probably the only one who uses shield dropping against shieldpressure etc to a decent level (probably because I play Yoshi, which really needs it/***** with it).
Quit being lazy guys
People should just learn to not take friendlies seriously and actually improve their game ;o For example, basically every technical player knows how to shield drop and can do it while focusing on it, but there is a few number (lovage/fuzzyness is the ones i've seen) that actually can use it in tournament matches, and even then you see how they kinda limit themselves and dont mixup at all when they shielddrop because they havent explored all of it yet.
I sadly believe that I'm probably the only one who uses shield dropping against shieldpressure etc to a decent level (probably because I play Yoshi, which really needs it/***** with it).
Quit being lazy guys
Silent Wolf
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eggz uses shield drop more effectively than anyone ive seen
leffen
Smash Champion
Haven't really watched him any, can you link some **** vids ;D?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Shinegrab =/= Waveshine -> grab.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
..i'm very aware of this
i worded the plat thing wrong i guess, i just meant shining onto the platform from below -> grab
Sinji
Smash Master
Yea. I know right.
Foxes mobility differs from falcos. Falco players tend to shine grab more then fox players because its easier and it doesn't require that much reflexes.
For instance, If you start off your shield pressure with a nair>shine>nair>shine then try to grab after, their may be a chance you would miss it.
It takes practice though. I'l research it a little more. Ha ha
Silent Wolf
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he doesnt have any recent vids.
so you really main fox now, leffen? do you have any vids up?
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Just continue to hold down after the waveland. The trick to shining on platforms is to be holding down pre-shine, so once you waveland to the plat, just continue to hold down and shinegrab normally.
you probably already knew that. meh.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
that's the thing though, there is no waveland during the motion. it's simply shinegrabbing as you land through the plat.
unless you mean, waveland -> shine -> grab
which might be a little slow i dunno
unless you mean, waveland -> shine -> grab
which might be a little slow
i dunno
JPOBS
Smash Hero
oooohhhh you mean that thing. yea i never do that so idk.
I was thinking about the stuff falco's do like your opponent is sheilding on the plat, so you jump shine (under the plat)-> waveland->shine grab.
but i see what you're saying. i have no idea how to do that trick
I was thinking about the stuff falco's do like your opponent is sheilding on the plat, so you jump shine (under the plat)-> waveland->shine grab.
but i see what you're saying. i have no idea how to do that trick
leffen
Smash Champion
Not any recent no, I decided to main him like 3 days ago xD I've been doing better with my fox than my falco anyway in seriouslies/w/e and I guess its because I have more motivation.
I don't feel like I'm going to evolve the falco metagame that much so it got a little boring.
I do however, currently suck in the spacies matchups with fox unless I get hella warmed up and/or have reads on the player himself. So I'm gonna use Yoshi for spacies since they are so much fun to face and the matchup is honestly pretty even though I dont know what I'm gonna do in NTSC since fox ***** and Yoshi sucks there :/
@Shineland-> grab isnt that good, when you hit someone with shinelands it takes 5+ frames before you land or smth lol.
I don't feel like I'm going to evolve the falco metagame that much so it got a little boring.
I do however, currently suck in the spacies matchups with fox unless I get hella warmed up and/or have reads on the player himself. So I'm gonna use Yoshi for spacies since they are so much fun to face and the matchup is honestly pretty even though I dont know what I'm gonna do in NTSC since fox ***** and Yoshi sucks there :/
@Shineland-> grab isnt that good, when you hit someone with shinelands it takes 5+ frames before you land or smth lol.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
shouldn't you be touching the ground when you're shining on the platform though? if you shine at the right time through the plat, youre grounded
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
I don't think anyone thinks shine-grabbing is hard (i think its definitely useful for fox), but its strictly worse than falcos, so there isn't really any point in comparing usage between the two