FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
oh srry
i know evrythin i have to know about the SH i guess i just need some more time to practice
i know evrythin i have to know about the SH i guess i just need some more time to practice
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Just to clarify on my waveshining problem, now I know what I did wrong. I was putting too much emphasis on my R button which left my shield out while wavedashing for a certain period of time, causing me to sidestep and not be able to get that few extra feet that I needed. For those of you still having trouble in the way I did, try to let go of your L/R button a little early and tilt the control stick all the way to the full side position after the wavedash.
FoxFTW: I also had this problem, but then I switched over to secondary characters so I could short hop a lot easier, and after some time I was able to short hop using fox without a problem. Just keep practicing, just think of sliding your thumb on the jump button and pressing on it very lightly. It should come naturally after a while.
FoxFTW: I also had this problem, but then I switched over to secondary characters so I could short hop a lot easier, and after some time I was able to short hop using fox without a problem. Just keep practicing, just think of sliding your thumb on the jump button and pressing on it very lightly. It should come naturally after a while.
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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hey i heard something about shines being able to combo non waveshinable charaters if you carry over momentum...i forget exactly
was it that you had to dash the first shine into the waveshine? or maybe you have to slide off the edge on the first shine and then just shine again in the air? anyone remember a thread on something like that?
was it that you had to dash the first shine into the waveshine? or maybe you have to slide off the edge on the first shine and then just shine again in the air? anyone remember a thread on something like that?
SCOTU
Smash Hero
you can dash> shine> jc usmash/ jc grab/ jc shine on any character, if that's what you're trying to remember.
teeman92
Smash Lord
everytime i try to combo my opponent, i always get insta-nair, and it unavoidable,yet annoying, i stun him in the air,he insta recovers in the air, and nairs, WTF is this?
Silent Wolf
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So work on your spacing.
Don't just hit him with it, hit him ni the right spot, soyou don't get punished.
Watch the "How to Play" that comes with the game, even that will tell you not to leave yourself open like that.
Don't just hit him with it, hit him ni the right spot, soyou don't get punished.
Watch the "How to Play" that comes with the game, even that will tell you not to leave yourself open like that.
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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i'll post this here too so some foxes can give me input:
so i got shine spiked a lot more than i am used to today (~6 times out of 8 attempts to shinespike) in about 25matches or so of 4stock..
anyways some discussion on what methods i can use to avoid it is good...i'm guessing jump away and fair if he comes off and i have my jump? sometimes i catch myself trying to jump sweetspot the ledge before he can edgeguard and then he's off to go after me really fast:\
also, sometimes you get one of those unlucky shines on stage right as you Doublejump so you go off and only have the up B...i'm guessing there i should have fastfalled immediately to use the up b...oh wait..you can't fastfall accept after you were jumping right?
so basically i have to time an over b as he comes near or an up B
which is more effective?
marth shouldn't get shine spiked much out of his recovery no? i mean he can swipe the fox if he times it right..
oh another question is if you are dropping down to sweetspot the up b and the fox comes at you...is upairing a good idea? i'm not sure if you will still be able to up b recover...also i could up b early but that means he may get on and edgeguard me.
anyways, is marth easy to shine spike? when is it good to go after him...and how can he defend himself from it
so i got shine spiked a lot more than i am used to today (~6 times out of 8 attempts to shinespike) in about 25matches or so of 4stock..
anyways some discussion on what methods i can use to avoid it is good...i'm guessing jump away and fair if he comes off and i have my jump? sometimes i catch myself trying to jump sweetspot the ledge before he can edgeguard and then he's off to go after me really fast:\
also, sometimes you get one of those unlucky shines on stage right as you Doublejump so you go off and only have the up B...i'm guessing there i should have fastfalled immediately to use the up b...oh wait..you can't fastfall accept after you were jumping right?
so basically i have to time an over b as he comes near or an up B
which is more effective?
marth shouldn't get shine spiked much out of his recovery no? i mean he can swipe the fox if he times it right..
oh another question is if you are dropping down to sweetspot the up b and the fox comes at you...is upairing a good idea? i'm not sure if you will still be able to up b recover...also i could up b early but that means he may get on and edgeguard me.
anyways, is marth easy to shine spike? when is it good to go after him...and how can he defend himself from it
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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shoulda specified that i meant off the edge shine spiking...which is meant to punish those who try to use their double jump to sweetspot
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
just try edguarding better since you're bad at shine spiking.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Try tricking them by doing a shine > turn around > wdash back edgehog, they try sweetspoting but fail since you'll edgehog 
, then they'll have to up-b, do the easy shinespike on them where all you do while hanging is hit down(to drop) then B(to shine).
, then they'll have to up-b, do the easy shinespike on them where all you do while hanging is hit down(to drop) then B(to shine).FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
No thers not
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
im sorry that this is off topic but how do you put a picture in your sig??
nvm i found out
nvm i found out
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
srry guys but as you can see my sig is halfway through and when i check the preview it shows the whole picture and what i wrote so can anyone help me or tell me how to shrink down the picture.....
Miharu
Smash Hero
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The picture's too large. Use PS or some other program to resize it.
The picture's too large. Use PS or some other program to resize it.
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
i do that but then i cant put the small picture in my sig
noobmaster
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
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Alright, a couple of questions:
1) In a fox ditto, is it possible to DI away from a grab to double upsmash from 0 percent? (is this only duable when you grab and rapidly throw them up?)
2) Any Techniques on defeating very technical captain falcons.( He tech chases me everywhere and punishes me w/ downsmash + knee)
thanks in advance for the help!
1) In a fox ditto, is it possible to DI away from a grab to double upsmash from 0 percent? (is this only duable when you grab and rapidly throw them up?)
2) Any Techniques on defeating very technical captain falcons.( He tech chases me everywhere and punishes me w/ downsmash + knee)
thanks in advance for the help!
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
1) i dont think you can actually regrab after the first upsmash, you'll only get double usmashed if you miss the tech form the first one.a
Adi
Smash Lord
If you're getting owned by Falcon's you're probably very predictable, make sure you aren't dominant on teching one way or the other and sometimes not teching can serve as a mindgame but is ill-advised unless you're extremely proficient at using it. He can combo you but you can combo him as well. It's just a back and forth match, don't get hit.
garrR
Smash Apprentice
what exactly is the "champ combo"?
Silent Wolf
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Dash attack>Up Tilt>Up Air
dawn001
Smash Ace
how is shine grap usefull any tips or the stickywalk?
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
Luck-NYC/NJ
Smash Lord
LMAO. i think he ment shine jump cancelled grab.
dawn001
Smash Ace
yeah you knwo what am talking about!
If this is the same dawn from houston, I saw you play... Try throwing more jabs into your game. You already looked scary fast lol but I never really saw you jab. It can set up for grabs pretty well
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brawlpro
Smash Master
just grab, shine to jc grab on ppl who fall from a shine isn't really worth the effort IMO. But do it on characters that don't fall from a shine a lot.
BTW dawn and hylian watch my latest vid plez, i can't give u a link cuz i'm on a wii since my comp's effed up, but on youtube search brawlpro(fox) vs Mora(peach) then click on the first video not the crew battle then tell me what u guys thot.
thnx?
dawn001
Smash Ace
thanks ok ill see your videojust grab, shine to jc grab on ppl who fall from a shine isn't really worth the effort IMO. But do it on characters that don't fall from a shine a lot.
BTW dawn and hylian watch my latest vid plez, i can't give u a link cuz i'm on a wii since my comp's effed up, but on youtube search brawlpro(fox) vs Mora(peach) then click on the first video not the crew battle then tell me what u guys thot.
P.c. Chris
Smash Lord
I have a fox question, does Drill grab actually combo I'm usually able to sidestep vs ppl who do it to me and i notice sometimes ppl sidestep when i try it vs them but its usually only when i have i have to drill>turnaround>grab .
i hope it combos i abuse it so much vs low tiers and characters who fall over from shine
i hope it combos i abuse it so much vs low tiers and characters who fall over from shine
GOTM
Smash Champion
i drill shine a whole lot vs. everyone, lol.
i feel that drill>grab vs. marth from a ledge-hop is like amazing.
then again, i drillgrab ledge hop more than most people i watch, lol.
i feel that drill>grab vs. marth from a ledge-hop is like amazing.
then again, i drillgrab ledge hop more than most people i watch, lol.
dawn001
Smash Ace
sorry and this is like out of a fox question but does anyone knows how to edit your video on youtuvbe and put music on it?????
now for a real question is stickywalking any good use?
now for a real question is stickywalking any good use?
P.c. Chris
Smash Lord
well i drill shine people who i can combo like marth and peach but such characters as g&w pichu and jiggly i just drill grab cuz its usually a free upair
brawlpro
Smash Master
maybe they miss an l-cancel or their damage is too low? god **** you asked a smash question oO
Use windows movie maker or sumthin..
I'm pretty sure it combos, at least, I REALLY hope it combos XD.
I think it depends on how low to the ground a part of the drill hits before you land and how good your timing on the grab is. I hate when the grab doesn't connect/ wah wah wah
dawn001
Smash Ace
Silent Wolf
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Sticky walking is pointless, so you shouldn't even worry about it.
I think Brookman was right about how it depends on how close to the ground you are when the last part of the drill that came out hits. Also, I think if they DI away, it may be harder because it takes longer for the grab reach to get over there. Not much longer, but maybe enough to let them sidestep? Sounds logical, but I don't know much about frame data.
I think Brookman was right about how it depends on how close to the ground you are when the last part of the drill that came out hits. Also, I think if they DI away, it may be harder because it takes longer for the grab reach to get over there. Not much longer, but maybe enough to let them sidestep? Sounds logical, but I don't know much about frame data.