ZeroP
Smash Apprentice
is it possible to waveshine or even drillshine doc? and what can I do if I get chained by peach?
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
- Start date
Red.
Smash Ace
you can drillshine Doc, you can't waveshine him because of his traction.
DI away, If theres a platform DI towards it so you won't get chainthrowed.
DI away, If theres a platform DI towards it so you won't get chainthrowed.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Jiggly keeps on gimping my recovery, help?
Silent Wolf
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You just can't waveshine Doc if they DI good.
Don't just DI all the way to one direction all the time, like Redyoshi does.
BP - Don't go low, ever. Don't get back thrown.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Thanks man
, well, when I am hanging on the ledge n stuff, what's the best move to do from a ledge hop with fox, with falco I do the ledge hop dbl laser, but am lost on what to do with fox.
, well, when I am hanging on the ledge n stuff, what's the best move to do from a ledge hop with fox, with falco I do the ledge hop dbl laser, but am lost on what to do with fox.Red.
Smash Ace
it would be an aerial or illusion I think.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Yea but the aerial gets blocked by their shield and the hit lag makes me screw up my l-cancel then i get shield grabbed then fthrowed, leading to a sexy edgeguard that ends up killing me. What's the best aerial from a ledge hop anyways?
Silent Wolf
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You aren't supposed to throw out an aerial like that. Wait or an opportunity vs Jigglypuff.
Red.
Smash Ace
forget this post.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Ok, I should also wait for an opportunity vs every other character then too...
O and untill what % can jigg's utilt lead to a rest, also at low percents does it even matter if i di from it?
O and untill what % can jigg's utilt lead to a rest, also at low percents does it even matter if i di from it?
Silent Wolf
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Don't worry about that. Just focus on not getting up tilted at all, not just at certain %s.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Alright, but still if i get utilted from out of no where, above what %'s will I be able to avoid the rest by di'ing away, thnx. I'll try my best to not get utilted, also I can't really uthrow > uair jiggs, either the first kick lands or nothing lands at all =/
Silent Wolf
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Just DI away i you get hit no matter what, and if you are at high enough percent, you have nothing to worry about. No rests at least.
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
BP i think the most you can do about the ledgehopping is mix it up maybe go up with the L/R sometimes and ive been trying this and sometimes it messes people up. I let go, shine, turn around, and get back up with a B-air........... GoodLuck!
aaman4567
Smash Rookie
ive been trying to wavedash for along time and im still sooooo slow at it and can only do it once like every 3 trys... is there a tip someone can give me that would help me wavedash better(such as doing it everytime and faster?) and i have read the boards on how to wavedash and ive read alot but I still have problems with it... what should i do? and thank you in advance for those who try to help and any one in oregon wanna play sometime lol ( oh and please pm me if you can that would be awesome, thanks again)
and any one in oregon wanna play sometime lol ( oh and please pm me if you can that would be awesome, thanks again)
anyone who slides can be waveshined, you'll just need jc shines for some chars.
Cereal Rabbit
Smash Lord
This may sound freaking crappy, but. There was always a problem with going against ICs. I'd stay on one side and spam lasers, but I get hit by ice blocks. This means I'm constantly moving. Moving much enough into an IC where I get D-Smashed and *****. He's also a CC / Shield Grab ***** so SHFFLing is terrible to use against him.
Any advice on helping me pwn my friend's gay ICs?
Any advice on helping me pwn my friend's gay ICs?
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
Cant help you there the best ICs ive fought is my brother and all he did was spam smashes and B-overs no CC/shieldgrabbing srry..........
I really need to enter a tourney
I really need to enter a tourney
brawlpro
Smash Master
If you l-cancel your shffl > shine you won't get shieldgrabbed, shine a lot, it separates ic's, and then i guess attack nana while popo isn't near(?), after nana is dead, 1 shinespike takes care of the guy in a blue coat, with a hammer, and without a nose.
DanteFox
Smash Champion
hey silent wolf, I could use some help against luigi. The only tactic I can think of is shining him of the edge. have any tips? thanks
Retroking2000
Smash Master
more aggressiveness with nairs ** oh sorry i forgot i am not silent wolf**
brawlpro
Smash Master
shine > aerial illusion
teeman92
Smash Lord
i practiced 15 mins,and L-canceling is HARD to master(i cant see what it looks like), and my wavedashes are flawing, i shield everytime i wavedash, and, its very ugly looking, and people said that fox is useless without these techs, i NEED them, a litte help?
brawlpro
Smash Master
In training mode, take someone near a wall like on that earthbound stage with the bulidings( i forgot what its called, haven't gone there in almost a year), then full hop > drillshine, if the consecutive hits didn't say 1 after your shine you l-canceled the dair. if it said 1 hit you didn't l-cancel.
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
ah yea i practice the drillshine infinites plenty but i still cant do more than 2 in x1 speed the highest combo i can do is 53hit in x2/3 speed
brawlpro
Smash Master
In slow motions try to learn when you press L when fox lands, like look at his feet, then do it in normal speed after you studied it.
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
Well for me the thing that causes the trouble in x1 speed is the shorthop not the l-cancel in x1 speed i get the l-cancel 90% of the times.
the shorthop i do it like 75% of the times but if i have to shorthop and concentrate on the drillshine i get it even less..
the shorthop i do it like 75% of the times but if i have to shorthop and concentrate on the drillshine i get it even less..
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
Its kinda embarrassing that the thing i have the most trouble with fox is the short-hop...
brawlpro
Smash Master
Tap x or y quick, and don't double post.
I can't seem to get the full distance to touch people on waveshines for characters with high enough traction... Even link is hard to do for me. I have everything about the waveshine fully understood except for the walking a few steps further to touch the person on the shine. It just seems hard to connect to the next shine.
smasher01
Smash Ace
when u wavedash out of shine tilt your joy stick more to the left or right
smasher01
Smash Ace
o and what is the percent that fox and falco can shine out of fox's chainthrows
thanks, I tested this so far and it seems i'm getting a few extra feet in between the shines, all I need right now is just practice.
Miharu
Smash Hero
Around 30%.
Silent Wolf
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and thats when they utlit. get *****.
actually, you can CG until 50/55% before needing to utilt.
Different Topic:
I've recently been abusing wavelanding (esp onto platforms), and wondered how some of you guys (esp. Silent Wolf) use it, so i could try different stuff out. wavelanding is fun as hell btw.
Winged Messiah
Smash Apprentice
Yoshi.
What can a Fox do against Yoshi? Shinespiking is pretty difficult with that invinsible second jump of his, and Uthrow to Uair hard to due as Yoshi can nair out of it extremely quickly. I don't think you can Waveshine a yoshi either, but I may be mistaken.
My usuall tactics are Shffled Nairs or Dairs into shine into RSHL/RSHDL constantly, with the odd utilt here and now sprinkeled heavily with bairs.
I feel like I should be doing more, any advice?
What can a Fox do against Yoshi? Shinespiking is pretty difficult with that invinsible second jump of his, and Uthrow to Uair hard to due as Yoshi can nair out of it extremely quickly. I don't think you can Waveshine a yoshi either, but I may be mistaken.
My usuall tactics are Shffled Nairs or Dairs into shine into RSHL/RSHDL constantly, with the odd utilt here and now sprinkeled heavily with bairs.
I feel like I should be doing more, any advice?
Silent Wolf
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I waveland a lot. I don't know if I can really explain how. Most of it isn't all that necessary. I have little routnies I go through on each stage as a taunt or if they aren't approaching, or if they're bad. Show off routines, usually involving wavelanding. ou probably won't see anything like this from me ni any videos I havenow, but I've been thinking about making a cool video about it.
You CAN waveshine Yoshi, just be faster and/or wavedash further. If shine isn't working for his recovery, don't use it, or immediately jump out of it with a solid aerial. If you're gettnig naire'd after uthrow, wait for it every once in a while then uair. If he stops doing it, uair sometimes. It's just a mindgame situation like all the others. usually getting Yoshii with the uair has been prety easy for me though.
GOTM
Smash Champion
is it just me or does every neutral random stage suck for fox vs. marth
battlefield = ****
FD = CG hell
yoshis = marth reaches EVERYWHERE
FoD = to me just not a very good fox stage
pokemon = only one he has? or am i missing some basic things to do on the other stages in this matchup?
battlefield = ****
FD = CG hell
yoshis = marth reaches EVERYWHERE
FoD = to me just not a very good fox stage
pokemon = only one he has? or am i missing some basic things to do on the other stages in this matchup?
Silent Wolf
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Fox wins on Stadium, and Dream Land.
he is NOT bad on Yoshi's. He can do fine on BF. FoD is fine.
Fox is better.
Play good, play gay.
he is NOT bad on Yoshi's. He can do fine on BF. FoD is fine.
Fox is better.
Play good, play gay.