Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Shök]

well what is probably the hardest thing to do with fox?

 

[brawlpro]

Whatever's hardest for you, 4 me its jc shining.

 

[Silent Wolf]

Depends what you mean. Hardest to do that's humanly possible? hardest single thing or do sequences count? Things only Fox specific? Depends really. If it's a single thing, like JC shining for example, it really depends on the player.

 

[Winged Messiah]

JC shining for me. I can do it with Falco but it illudes me with Fox.

Question:

What should I do against a Marth in Pal version, as Marth falls from the Shine? I usually go for low percentage shinespikes and the obvious U throw to Uair, but it doesn't really seem enough =/.

 

[oldmankungfu]

you should get a regular version lol. no but really you should wait for an answer from someone who has(or has played) the PAL version.

 

[Miharu]

What should I do against a Marth in Pal version, as Marth falls from the Shine? I usually go for low percentage shinespikes and the obvious U throw to Uair, but it doesn't really seem enough =/.

You should still shine after every aerial, just to guard against shieldgrabbing. However, if you do manage to connect with a nair/bair, then you can easily chain it into a utilt/reverse utilt, and follow-up from there. Grabbing immediately after the nair also works in certain sitation, as does nair -> usmash.

 

[FoxFtw]

I dont know if people have done this before or if it is any good but if youre in the edge how about dropping and shining right away turning around, jumping to get back on the stage with a B-air.

Ive been trying this in training since yesterday and its kinda quick and theres spacing
but ill try it against humans today.... ill think itll be another way to mix up your
"getting back on the stage from the ledge".

 

[Brookman]

the only problem with that is you'll lose invincibility frames, but it could be alright. I've seen someone post about it before, but I've never thought to try it.

 

[Winged Messiah]

You should still shine after every aerial, just to guard against shieldgrabbing. However, if you do manage to connect with a nair/bair, then you can easily chain it into a utilt/reverse utilt, and follow-up from there. Grabbing immediately after the nair also works in certain sitation, as does nair -> usmash.

Tyvm Hydro. I've been using Nair to Utlit frequently on others that fall from the shine, or slide to **** far to hit, but for some reason i've never tried it on Marth xD.

 

[oldmankungfu]

i knows this is a little off topic but it relates to Fox. Why don;t we have a video thread? i know ppl post THERE videos, but where are the pro vids? I mean, lets look at the link and C.F forums. ppl post there vids there but the also have an official video thread.

 

[Red.]

this is why

quoted from silent wolf

"Basically. There's not really a need for a video thread. Every thread posted in the Fox specific is about someone wanting their videos to be watched anyways. If they don't know who to watch, they could ask in the Questions topic, then youtube their tag. No need for all the work of a thread like this really."

 

[Oskurito]

i knows this is a little off topic but it relates to Fox. Why don;t we have a video thread? i know ppl post THERE videos, but where are the pro vids? I mean, lets look at the link and C.F forums. ppl post there vids there but the also have an official video thread.

That's a good idea. If someone makes the thread, I defenetly want my vids in.

 

[Silent Wolf]

That's a good idea. If someone makes the thread, I defenetly want my vids in.

Even though you already have threads for all of them?
If there was to be a thread like that, it would or SHOULD, include soley the top Fox players so peple can get an idea of how he should be used to do good in major tournaments. ie what matter.
I'm sure people are capable of finding Pro Fox videos on thier own, it's not like a lot of good people play as him or anything...

 

[brawlpro]

Besides, making one of those would take away much of ones lifetime, too many fox pros.

I need help like usual.

How do I defeat a jiggs? It usually gets out of my uthrow uair too <_>, and my usmashes miss sometimes, and i get gimped from my recovery lol..

Also, I took off 6 stock in my first crew battle last night ^_^, it got recorded too.

 

[Randizzle]

do the uthrow uair differently against jiggs. play around with it, you'll probably find that you'll need to do the uair at a greater height or you can try to make it so just the strong hit connects. connecting usmashes is about good reading, some unpredictability, and good spacing. as for the recovery... don't fall off the stage =)

 

[knightpraetor]

is upthrow really worthwhile against a jiggs? isn't fthrow much better guaranteed damage? if they di in, they get fair comboed..if they di out they get wd to fsmash..which may tip..and does better damage than an upair i would think..it's unlikely that an upair on jiggs is going to combo with marth i would think


lol just realized i'm in a fox thread..should probably pay attention to what i'm reading..connecting with upairs is a little harder against jiggs cause they can jump out...DJ to upair works well but if they are fast they may avoid it, especially at higher damages i think

 

[teeman92]

ok, i noticed that in most my fights, i get stunned alot, and comboed in mid-air without no way to cancel outta my opponents combos, how do i escape from being comboed....by an no adv technique shiek... even if i could shorthop,shinespike,tech roll..

HOW DO I ESCAPE COMBOS(getting stuned in mid air)

 

[SCOTU]

DI Away.

10 chars

 

[Miharu]

Don't get thrown into midair. CC those tilts, and try to stay out of your shield as much as possible. As odd as that sounds, Sheik, if played/spaced properly, has literally no way of being shieldgrabbed (by Fox at least), and JC shining out of shield doesn't do much either, as you have to time it perfectly.

Camp with lasers, force the Sheik to come to you, and abuse nair/dair -> shine -> grab/usmash. Uptilt works quite nicely as well.

 

[brawlpro]

HOW DO I ESCAPE COMBOS(getting stuned in mid air)

Well, if you don't di away or whatever, jam the control stick left and right to recover out of the stun.

Here is video of me vs toga where i could have hit the control stick left and right to recover but didn't because i sucked a month and a half ago.

00:47 - 00:50 i could have avoided that spike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxBsnsSTHI4

 

[teeman92]

Don't get thrown into midair. CC those tilts, and try to stay out of your shield as much as possible. As odd as that sounds, Sheik, if played/spaced properly, has literally no way of being shieldgrabbed (by Fox at least), and JC shining out of shield doesn't do much either, as you have to time it perfectly.

Camp with lasers, force the Sheik to come to you, and abuse nair/dair -> shine -> grab/usmash. Uptilt works quite nicely as well.

upsmashs dont work well, i always get insta-naired, or missed, same with grabs

 

[Retroking2000]

whats more safer to use while recovering UPB or over B

 

[brawlpro]

It depends on who your fighting or where you are lol. Can you be specific or w/e?

An example's like if your vs a samus, use over b.

 

[teeman92]

It depends on who your fighting or where you are lol. Can you be specific or w/e?

An example's like if your vs a samus, use over b.

you guessed it, its shiek, dash attacks to fairs are killing me......no way to get out of it

and he doesnt use techs at ALL

not only that, my bro just won 12 stock game, me zero, and he wont play me no more

 

[brawlpro]

When your fightin shiek...uthrow > uair x 3 or something lol.

then waveshine > usmash.

go shffl nair > shine and dash dance to keep the shiek on its toes, keep the game movin.

If he doesn't use techs at all, you won't have a problem beatin him after 2 hr practice -_-

 

[teeman92]

When your fightin shiek...uthrow > uair x 3 or something lol.

then waveshine > usmash.

go shffl nair > shine and dash dance to keep the shiek on its toes, keep the game movin.

If he doesn't use techs at all, you won't have a problem beatin him after 2 hr practice -_-

like i said, i get insta-nair'ed everytime i upthorw,i miss most my uair,,

i dont know how to wavedash,i dont know how to l-cancel, sffl,

kinda of a shame,ive only been here since april

 

[brawlpro]

heh you can't win w/ fox until you l-cancel. I've been here since July, and i can l-cancel fine, so that doesn't really matter, just practice.

 

[Zankoku]

Can you? Consistently? If you get shieldgrabbed, that means you missed an L-Cancel.

I've only played a few people who did not miss any L-Cancels in my games with them.

 

[brawlpro]

I can l-cancel fine yea.

I've only played a few people who did not miss any L-Cancels in my games with them.

I miss them sometimes.

I dunno when the guy with my vids is gonna upload it but i'll show you. Like next week prolly.

 

[teeman92]

Can you? Consistently? If you get shieldgrabbed, that means you missed an L-Cancel.

I've only played a few people who did not miss any L-Cancels in my games with them.

i dont get shiekdgrabbed,i get comboed, ALOT, jeez, is there any kind of charather that could beat shiek?

 

[Miharu]

i dont get shiekdgrabbed,i get comboed, ALOT, jeez, is there any kind of charather that could beat shiek?

Fox is literally a Sheik counter at higher levels of play >_>

Instead of looking for ways to circumvent your own problems, maybe you should look into fixing said problems. Can't seem to connect with those uairs? Practice makes perfect. Waveshine into usmash is also a staple of Fox's gameplay; perfect that as well. And as simple as it might sound, don't play too defensive against a Sheik, since a wall of jabs/ftilts/utilts/dsmash is literally a pillar in itself. So if you get stuck in your shield, you're somewhat ****ed. However, once you do get hit, there's a number of things you can do:

1. Smash DI the tilts away from Sheik, so she can't chain further tilts on you.

2. If you know that the ftilt/utilt is coming, CC it into a dtilt/shine/whatever, and start your own combo from there. However, don't CC the downsmash, as that will just cause you to take even more damage.

Sheik can't aerial you out of a uthrow unless your timing is horribly late. So just work on getting the uair/bair/nair out earlier, and that should fix that problem. If you can't L-cancel or waveshine, don't expect to be able to beat Sheik with Fox. There's good reason Sheik is considered the most noob-friendly characters: combos are intuitive, and literally zero techskill is needed at the lower levels of gameplay. That all changes when you move up, but you've bot to bring your technical skill up to that level first.

 

[teeman92]

*scratchs head and looks confused*

so, i just gotta improve my technical skills right?

and what about falco, im prety the same with him, be more"get off me" style

 

[Red.]

just a quick question

what stages should I pick against y.link, cuz I'm mm chip in a few stages. I should pick small stages for quick kills right?

 

[Slashed]

just a quick question

what stages should I pick against y.link, cuz I'm mm chip in a few stages. I should pick small stages for quick kills right?

I'd go for small stages with somewhat low ceilings for easy vertical kills. Try Yoshi's Story or another stage like that.

I don't usually battle many Y. Links. =P

 

[Red.]

I was thinking the same thing.

PS chip is one of the best y.links.

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

Sheik is the fox killer.And fox can be the sheik killer. Experience is the determining factors. They are alternatives, fox has great speed and the attack speed of sheik is unrivaled.

 

[Slashed]

Once you get better with Fox and improve your technical game a lot, Sheik is usually not too hard to beat when you're Fox. It's all about practice. You need to know all of Sheik's tricks, and know which moves have big lag time you can take advantage of.

It's the same with any other match-up, really. You need to see if there are any missed L-cancels to take advantage of, you need to see if they always tech-roll a certain way, and you need to see if they always come after you with the same approaches.

Once you can spot all of those things in a battle, you'll usually take the set against Sheik.

I hate Sheik.=\

 

[Red.]

for sheik (If I ever play one) in tourney play

I go for plenty of drill shine to uthrow+uair combos for easy high damage. be careful of the fair. aerials can put pressure on her recovery like bair. shine puts pressure on her recovery. SHFFL'D nairs work well at certain percents. I don't know why but hyrule charcters in the game get easily comboed.

For stages If you want to get rid of her easily pick like FOD( I did that to slyd the 3rd best sheik in WA and basically won). sheik is a real pain.

 

[Slashed]

for sheik (If I ever play one) in tourney play

I go for plenty of drill shine to uthrow+uair combos for easy high damage. be careful of the fair. aerials can put pressure on her recovery like bair. shine puts pressure on her recovery. SHFFL'D nairs work well at certain percents. I don't know why but hyrule charcters in the game get easily comboed.

For stages If you want to get rid of her easily pick like FOD( I did that to slyd the 3rd best sheik in WA and basically won). sheik is a real pain.

Yeah. Be sure to take advantage of her recovery with shine-spikes and ledge-hopped bairs. Ledge-hopped bairs are my best friend when I want to kill almost any recovery. =D

 

[Red.]

that was almost a year ago when I faced slyd. the only thing his sheik had on me was that tech chasing to d throw repeat. what my bro taught me was if your teching left or right and the sheik is about to grab, sidestep so the sheik messes up and you can punish her with a uthrow to uair.