mastermoo420
Smash Ace
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Fox should theoretically not be having any problems with any character, lol. At worst, any given match-up is even.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
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unknown522
Some guy
SW, your combo vid is awesome. KK and I watched it twice in a row.
Also, I finally got around to reading joe's post. I love it. This is what I have been telling people! Thank you
Also, I finally got around to reading joe's post. I love it. This is what I have been telling people! Thank you
Lovage
Smash Hero
**** <3
-joe
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
yea for fox players its not easy.
peach punishes too hard if you make a mistake.
ive been having some success with drilling past peach so she wd into it. if she doesn't you will still get a little damage.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
Silent Wolf
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thanks homies
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
I have 2 quick questions.
1. Is Fox an Autopilot character?
2. How good is he as a Counter pick for Sheik
1. Is Fox an Autopilot character?
2. How good is he as a Counter pick for Sheik
Kanelol
Smash Lord
definitely an autopilot character if you can nair fast enough
i frequently find myself having deep conversations with those around me while i 4 stock ******s with my tech spammy fox
fox is a baller counter pick for sheik, ***** gets *****
i frequently find myself having deep conversations with those around me while i 4 stock ******s with my tech spammy fox
fox is a baller counter pick for sheik, ***** gets *****
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
Here I was hoping he'd be a skillful character because of his high or semi high learning curve.
Oh well it's too late, I'm still gonna use him as my secondary and I finally have a way to deal with Sheiks
Tomacawk
Smash Master
a good fox is not an autopilot character. as far as I know, there are none in this game. maybe sheik at average levels, at best?
he's probably the best counter-sheik but it doesn't mean he wins that matchup easily or anything. you will have to play patiently and well
he's probably the best counter-sheik but it doesn't mean he wins that matchup easily or anything. you will have to play patiently and well
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
So in other words I would have to outmaneuver the other person. That means I can actually feel proud for using Fox because I'm the one that's winning not Fox.
how ironic that the character I dislike the most in the game is autopilot lol.(Sheik)
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I really don't think anybody is "auto-pilot" at a decent level of play
I think fox takes more skill than anybody else due to the entire cast being equipped to combo him and because fox players are notoriously prone to technical errors, controller mistakes, and botched spacing
I think fox takes more skill than anybody else due to the entire cast being equipped to combo him and because fox players are notoriously prone to technical errors, controller mistakes, and botched spacing
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
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You can go on Fox auto-pilot if you want, but you have to know when to actually do so. Say, for example, you want to waveshine > u-smash Captain Falcon after L-canceling your drill. You have to actually react to the fact that your shine connected or else you'll just WD past him and do something random or just get grabbed.
And if you want to go counter-Sheik, Fox is one of the best. You just simply can not go low tier against Sheik or else you get ***** by CGs.
And if you want to go counter-Sheik, Fox is one of the best. You just simply can not go low tier against Sheik or else you get ***** by CGs.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
ignore post.
unknown522
Some guy
1. Yes, but you'll probably lose when facing decent players by going autopilot. Once you reach a certain point, you'll have to start thinking.
2. Jiggs is better vs sheik. Fox/falco/sheik are good candidates though.
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
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Sheik is a counterpick against Sheik?! Sounds like Metaknight or something. And oh yeah, I forgot about Jiggs. Jiggs is pretty solid.
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
I really don't like Jigglypuff though and I'm starting to like Fox's style of play and I actually don't feel bad about using him if he does take skill to use which most of you guys say he does unlike Metaknight from brawl lol.
Iron Dragon
Smash Lord
I find myself playing a lot better when it;s possible to go on autopilot but maybe it's just because of who I face around my area.
Peach can be difficult but I think of her almost like Jigglypuff. Just gotta camp a good bit and wait for them to come to you then utilize your GFS and beat her =P.
ur combo vid ***** otto, =D.
Peach can be difficult but I think of her almost like Jigglypuff. Just gotta camp a good bit and wait for them to come to you then utilize your GFS and beat her =P.
ur combo vid ***** otto, =D.
unknown522
Some guy
I pretty much think that sheik's only losing matchup is jiggs.
no clue. It probably is universal.
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Marth is definitely an autopilot character, luke. Once you know how to 0-death from 1 grab on every character you just go to sleep while shield camping until they get tired of your fairs OoS and get in grabbing range. then you kill them.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Same question. Any advice?
Kanelol
Smash Lord
you have pretty much all the essential tech skill
really the only thing you practice by yourself at this point is nair shine shield pressure
otherwise you just need to play with other people and get them mindgames
really the only thing you practice by yourself at this point is nair shine shield pressure
otherwise you just need to play with other people and get them mindgames
Daniel_the_Seraph
Smash Ace
Can you be shield grabbed out of waveshining in place?
I'm basically asking what the minimum technical work I have to do to effectively shield pressure is. >_>
I'm basically asking what the minimum technical work I have to do to effectively shield pressure is. >_>
Iron Dragon
Smash Lord
watch the way forward plays against sheik in general and you'll think otherwise LOL.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
yes. you can do it to zelda, yoshi, link, yl, and samus, though. (I'm not positive, but pretty sure. I'm positive about zelda)
Kanelol
Smash Lord
waveshining is awful for shield pressure
nair shine really isnt that hard
nair shine really isnt that hard
voorhese
Smash Master
why get close, when you can space back airs at their shield, while aiming for their head/feet?
the only time i do shield pressure now is if im not paying attention and i go into auto pilot, or if i miss-space a nair/bair and in that case i shine nair/bair away from their shield (but in range to start again) or shine grab go from there.
sound good?
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
the links plus samus will just up b oos.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
yes but in my opinion not the best. The best would be testing your opponent's nerves with shield pressure and only continue if they show weakness also plays a role in being the ultimate player
and I know that's what you're aiming for voorhese, move power to you...****in' voorhese
yeah you're right. I should have specified that in my post, his was referring to a shieldgrab and it does beat their shieldgrab.
unknown522
Some guy
you would think the same thing from watching me vs sheik.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
unknown makes me think fox/falco/pichu/ganon/luigi/game&watch/falcon/marth all beat sheik at least 7-3.
puff of course is 9-1.
puff of course is 9-1.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Game&Watch!?!?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Bitches don't know 'bout Mr. Game & Watch.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
na I knew you meant shield grab cuz I read his post. I probably should have directed it at the other guy.
I just didn't want him to think he could waveshine samus and links for shield pressure.
its hard to multi quote on the mobile version of swf, I don't think there is a button for it.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
Waveshining in place is probably the worst shield pressure there is. You're on top of them the whole time, not adjusting your spacing so you're easy to punish out of shield, you can get rolled out on, and you get no real reward if you happen to shield poke them or catch them on the roll out.
If you want a minimum technical requirement, then do smarter stuff just outside their shield and try to catch them when they move out, like empty jumps and early/late back airs... even jabs and ftilts
Waveshining in place is one of those things that's bad if you always assume your opponent will expect it and counter it perfectly. It can be pretty good if you hit the back of their shield. A lot of people will try to roll from that position and waveshining in place puts you in a position to easily punish them. I certainly wouldn't make it my primary means of shield pressure, though.
Daniel, remember that you don't necessarily have to hit them to put pressure on them. Dash dancing, empty short hops, and even standing right behind them can all be very intimidating. The important thing is that you understand how your opponent is affected by everything you do. Also, it's important to be able to recognize when you should just grab.
Daniel, remember that you don't necessarily have to hit them to put pressure on them. Dash dancing, empty short hops, and even standing right behind them can all be very intimidating. The important thing is that you understand how your opponent is affected by everything you do. Also, it's important to be able to recognize when you should just grab.