Florida Neutral/Counterpicks (updated)

[AfroQT]

The problem with port is that there is no warning to the cars coming, so you can be fighting on the ground and just die, the cars own in this game.

Jungles has the same problem, the stage doest he work for you, fall off the stage on the left side of the stage and you lose a stock.

 

[Master Raven]

I guess you have a point, although I still don't think they're that bannable, but I don't really care that much about either so I'm fine if they're banned.

 

[Metal_Dave]

I don't see why Port Town and Jungle Japes should be banned. About the only thing wrong with Japes is that it has an incredibly ****ing high ceiling making star KOs a lot more difficult.

Port Town... it seems like a simply more annoying version of Mute City to me. Don't see anything about it that makes it bannable.

Port Town is my favorite stage in the game, but I don't know if it can be a CP both stages have one problem. In Port Town the wall on the left side that comes out during the first minute of the cycle of the stage can gimp someone, and the fish in jungle japes as well can gimp someone too at ridiculous low %s changing the game intensely. Those are just my two cents.

 

[Master Raven]

Frigate Orpheon is my favorite CP.

.-.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I'm actually surprised people like my list so much... <3 to all.

Love you too, Afro.


So, I'm going to get a bit serious about the game...I want people to learn to beat a non-spamming smart MK...so I'm going to pick him up. : )

 

[AfroQT]

I'm actually surprised people like my list so much... <3 to all.

Love you too, Afro.


So, I'm going to get a bit serious about the game...I want people to learn to beat a non-spamming smart MK...so I'm going to pick him up. : )

I like your list alot, i actually changed the rules on my Wii to have the counterpicks on. Im gonna do the same at The Nexus when i get there tomorrow.
My thinking on counterpicks before was childish, while i may only play on neutrals when i choose the stage, this wont stop my opponent from picking counterpicks. After FAST i can definitely say that i wish i played on Delfino Plaza alot more (just a example). Plus i guess counterpicking is part of the game and whatnot.

Plus its important to establish a set group of stages, so we arent constantly bickering over stages. I thought it'd be better to have set stages for each tournament, and change the list as we test it through tournament. Im actually very interested to see how PS2 does. And i love pirate ship who doesnt love pirates or ships?

 

[Mankosuki]

Actually the only stage I kinda wanted that wasn't on your list is Japes.

- High Ceiling: Best reason for making it a CP IMO
- Klap Trap: was in Melee and still wasn't banned. Just be smart about avoiding it.
- Water: I don't find it to be as bad as people make out, but then again I have rocket boosters to get me out. Infact, the fact that you get your jump & up-b back actually make recovery better. Stay on the right side of the stage and you'll never-ever get gimped.
- Falco: chain-grab to spike must suck for those of you that can't get out of it. Try using ROB?

 

[AfroQT]

They have the stage for a CP on the west coast (atleast i've seen it in videos). Im asking top placers from the west coast how they feel about the stage.

Possible addition to the list, but yeah falco on that stage is just.... /sigh.

 

[Gmoney]

I still say that rainbow cruise should be allowed as a counterpick. It does make certain characters have really tough times, but that's why it's a counterpick. The gimpiest part of the stage is when there's just the swinging platform and even that is very survivable. If you get gimped on the part with all the platforms and the flying carpets then you suck, because there's so much stuff to land on. Those who think the final part of the lap is gimpy are stupid too. You just need to take one of the blocks down. That's what I almost always do if someone is camping the other area. At least this stage doesn't shoot ****ing bombs at you! It's all very predictable. You just need to memorize how the stage works.

 

[Metal_Dave]

Lol So it seems that Florida is finally settling with CPs? About time. :O

 

[SabinX]

and for a non biased MK player w/ cruise,


that stage sucks and shouldn't even be considered.
then again japes sucks too and afro already pointed out it's sometimes accepted. (w/e, i like the high ceilings and falco going there is all falco really has to begin with)

ugh terrible stage list. Most stages don't affect outcomes in brawl to begin with.

delfino is far more fair OVERALL to cast than cruise.

 

[Gmoney]

I rarely ever counterpick rainbow (Hylian) cruise anymore, so don't act like I have this huge bias for the stage. All you can tell me is that the stage "sucks." That's great. Let's keep in mind that there is absolutely nothing random about that stage. Everything is completely predictable and the only real place where you can really get gimped due to a poor recovery is at the swinging platform and even that can get avoided by smart play.

 

[AfroQT]

You completely forget that while you are not on the ship, you arent fighting, you are spending more time moving then fighting.

Infact 90% of the time i spent on that stage is jumping from platform to platform, to grab throw away, to jumping from platform to platform.

A stage shouldnt force the 2 players to stop fighting.

 

[Gmoney]

poke stadium 1 often has the two players not fighting due to the transformations (hill and windmill are the bigs ones) and its an obvious counterpick; this just seems like a stupid reason to ban the stage

If you watched Hylian (gdub) vs. Reflex (wario) in their MM, you would've seen them both taking into consideration the placement of platforms but also fighting it out. It doesn't really force a lot of characters to not fight unless you really just don't want to, which is understandable for you (Snake's aerials are bad).

 

[AfroQT]

The placement of the platforms does not allow for any consecutive hits, or any follow ups. PS1 doesnt force people to stop fighting, they choose not to. I've never camped a side on PS1, even as a snake user. I've always been one to jump over w/e obstacle to fight.

Unless this is a snake only thing. I cant fight on Rainbow cruise at all, i spend all the time jumping from platform to platform.

 

[GDX]

The placement of the platforms does not allow for any consecutive hits, or any follow ups. PS1 doesnt force people to stop fighting, they choose not to. I've never camped a side on PS1, even as a snake user. I've always been one to jump over w/e obstacle to fight.

Unless this is a snake only thing. I cant fight on Rainbow cruise at all, i spend all the time jumping from platform to platform.

even when i use GW on the stage i think its terrible for fighting

 

[Gmoney]

I hope you're kidding... Hylian's Gdub moves all over that stage and always keeps pressure on you. Same thing can be said about Reflex's Wario.

 

[AfroQT]

Hylian moves all over every stage like hes in a insane panic mode.

 

[Master Raven]

I'm not a fan of Rainbow Cruise but I don't really mind it much.

 

[Ruuku]

Feels like I'm the only person enjoying Rainbow Cruise.

 

[Eight 52]

Rainbow cruise is fun in melee. Brawl is too akward, dunno why.

 

[Master Raven]

It probably has to do with that the Brawl models are bigger than the Melee ones which also explains why Corneria's ceiling is so ****ing low.

 

[SLyNKee]

Bumping this so its easier to find.

On topic, why is Dragoon Roost island that plays on Pirate Ship SUCH an amazing song!?

 

[Equi]

Ban Luigi's Mansion (except for teams) and Fenrir's list is perfect for FL's stage list IMO.

And I'm happy to see that people have finally woken up to Rainbow Cruise being faulty in several variables for Brawl.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

All i kno is that for when i host tournies, the stages are always gona be

Neutrals:
BF
FD
Smashville
Yoshi's

CP:
Lylat
PS1
Delfino
CastleSeige
Frigate
Halberd
Brinstar


deal wit it son


no gaying

that u can't ban

 

[Eight 52]

You need more Jungle Japes.

 

[nevershootme]

wait the ****ing minute, then i should have the right to choose the stages i want for my tournament... not to conform with what everyone says....

 

[Fenrir VII]

A state-wide tournament stage list will be kinda like the IEEE standards.

Hosts don't have to conform to them, but if not, they risk a LOT of complaining. Really, it's just better to have a uniform system than a whole bunch of separate ones.

 

[Metal_Dave]

A state-wide tournament stage list will be kinda like the IEEE standards.

Hosts don't have to conform to them, but if not, they risk a LOT of complaining. Really, it's just better to have a uniform system than a whole bunch of separate ones.

Me personally I think it would be neat if we could get an actual official FL stage list, but I don't think that will be happening anytime soon.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

Actually the only stage I kinda wanted that wasn't on your list is Japes.

- High Ceiling: Best reason for making it a CP IMO
- Klap Trap: was in Melee and still wasn't banned. Just be smart about avoiding it.
- Water: I don't find it to be as bad as people make out, but then again I have rocket boosters to get me out. Infact, the fact that you get your jump & up-b back actually make recovery better. Stay on the right side of the stage and you'll never-ever get gimped.
- Falco: chain-grab to spike must suck for those of you that can't get out of it. Try using ROB?

Klap Trap didn't instantly kill in melee, and in brawl, if you get hit, no matter what you do it dies

The water can gimp some large characters or people who suck at recovering, or dip down with ther DJ like yoshi. Falco is gay on that level, it can kill the people who can get gayed in the water and there is nothing you can do about it.
-ESAM

 

[Gmoney]

Fenrir VII (you killed the others), let's talk about stages... Norfair and Rainbow Cruise

Norfair needs to be banned. That stage is just ridiculously stupid. I picked it against Afro in tournament just to prove a point and I think it worked. The stage is simply too random to be taken seriously at all. Lava is everywhere. The platforms are fine but there's lava and fire and **** EVERYWHERE. it's not like brinstar where it just comes from the bottom and pops you up doing a bit of damage. The lava comes from all sides and sometimes even comes at you like Star Fox 64 and that **** is powerful enough to push you off a ledge while shielding to instantly killing you, because you slipped off and are no longer shielding. It happened to Afro. THE STAGE IS NOT FIT FOR COMPETITIVE PLAY

Rainbow Cruise is fine. There are NO RANDOM ASPECTS about that stage. EVERYTHING is completely predictable and there are no hazards that by themselves kill you or do ANY damage. There is only one real spot to get gimped at and that is the swinging platform (prove me wrong and I'll prove you wrong). Everywhere else you have multiple platforms to land on, so you'd have to be ******** to die on them. Yes, it gives some characters very bad disadvantages, but that's why counterpicks exist. It's totally legit. Hate it all you want, but it's still legit. JUST BAN IT AGAINST MK PLAYERS (i don't really even pick it)

edit: everything else is 2 legit 2 quit; forget what i've said about PS2 in the past

 

[Rx-]

All tournament hosts have the right to choose which stages are allowed and which stages are banned in their tournaments, but if people don't know or don't like you, they are going to *****.

I personally think that Pirate Ship and PS2 are garbage stages (and Norfair, but I like Norfair so I don't mind it).

I don't know why anyone would allow a stage that can physically damage either player. You might as well turn items on.

Honestly, I would never allow Halberd, Pirate Ship, OR Norfair if I ever held a tournament, but I think I am going to use Seibrik's list minus Halberd.

Neutrals:
BF
FD
Smashville
Yoshi's

CP:
Lylat
PS1
Delfino
CastleSeige
Frigate
Brinstar

I agree that gay stages are gay, so why the hell would we allow any of the other stages?

 

[chckn]

BF
FD
Smashville
Yoshi's

CP:
Lylat
PS1
Delfino
CastleSeige
Frigate
Brinstar

I agree that gay stages are gay, so why the hell would we allow any of the other stages?

Agreed

10charizards

 

[Metal_Dave]

I wish more people would CP castle siege...that stage is so badass. And just a really fun map to play on. Period.

Btw Chckn you gotta smash over here bro so no interruptions...that **** was whack.

 

[Gingerr]

I like Pirate Ship because even if I'm being blown up by bombs, I'm still having a good time :D

 

[Master Raven]

lol, I love playing Luigi's Mansion with DK. If you manage to bait them down the bottom-most level where the ceilings are then you can bounce them up and down with DownB and rack up to ~50-~70% damage depending on how long they manage to stay in the ceiling area.

Castle Siege is a pretty cool stage but what exact advantages and disadvantages would I gain from playing there?

 

[Frames]

A state-wide tournament stage list will be kinda like the IEEE standards.

engineering ftw.....nerd

edit - i say keep fenrirs list but swap norfair for rainbow, also ban luigis mansion i guess, but that one's not to bad either.

 

[nevershootme]

look let it be, but it should be under the host's discretion if they want to remove luigis, norfair, rainbow, halberd, pirate... any CP stage. at least they can remove 1-2

but stadium 2 is a definite no no.

 

[AfroQT]

LYLAT CRUISE IS A NEUTRAL

I'd love for someone to reason how Lylat isnt neutral.
I'd love for themt o say that you can gimp yourself under the ship so i can say the same thing about FD.
or say Yoshi's Island can save someone when you edgehog them.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

LYLAT CRUISE IS A NEUTRAL

I'd love for someone to reason how Lylat isnt neutral.
I'd love for themt o say that you can gimp yourself under the ship so i can say the same thing about FD.
or say Yoshi's Island can save someone when you edgehog them.

Agreed, but most people ust don't like the stage so they add those reason's so they can justify it.