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[#HBC | J]

Hilt, could you update us on your thoughts on your scum-picks? Who are you looking at and why? Is Dad's attack on you reading as more scummy or more towny? Thoughts on Acro please too.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Dad's attack towards me came off as scummy. I don't necessarily know if I'd put him as scum atm, though. I plan to look into Panta, Dad, Tandora, and Acrostic. Panta for reasons I stated in my last post. Dad because of how jumpy he was in his posts earlier in the day and how loosely he threw votes around. Tandora seemed far too buddy-buddy for my liking. I understand that she hasn't completely caught up yet, so I don't expect too much content. But I'm wanting to see how this changes after she has. Acrostic is becoming more and more of one of town's main lynch candidates. I'm wanting to do as much of a reread as I can on him before it gets too deep into that topic, so I'll be able to make a solid stance on what I think of him. As things are now, I really don't know. At times when I read his posts, my gut screams town and I want to defend him. But then he goes around and makes a post that makes no sense or is just scummy feeling and I hesitate and reconsider. I'll let you know tomorrow if there's anyone that comes to mind.

My apologies again for not being able to be on during the last bit of D1. But as I said, things came up. However, I'm extremely tired right now. I'm not going to do any rereads tonight, as I'd rather be fresh when I do so. Bug me about it tomorrow if I don't, because I don't want to forget X:

 

[#HBC | J]

Sorry if I say your reads are coming off a bit wishy-washy, but I guess I will have to wait for stronger reads till you can give them tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Dad: Could you elaborate more on how Hilt's attitude toward RR is indicative of him being scum? I too don't quite follow how his attitude towards RR necessitates that he is mafia. Are there any leads aside from Hilt that you would like to pursue if you couldn't pursue him as a lynch candidate for today? Kooz do you also believe that Panta's dumb tell was legitimate?

@Hilt: Do you believe that Panta faked his question wrt mafia having day-chat in order to fake a dumb tell [because you have a fos on Panta, will repost source if you forgot]? If a Panta lynch was off the table, then who would you consider next. Er your reaction to Tandora|Dad just now kind of looked like a counter-fos. While I don't believe either one has posted a strong case I am curious why [I assume] you were getting angry based on the profanities in #456, #467, #473, and #479.

@J:

Spoiler

Can you bring this up in quotes because I could of sworn they said somewhere why they were voting RR?

Then began with #256 and #258. They do progress with reasons after they vote in #392, #388, and #458. They didn't provide an explanation for the initial vote IIRC.

So you don't like her for adding onto my case on you? What I saw from July seemed more like her posting her thoughts on not just one scum-pick but 3 of them. Stances can match but are you trying to say you think they are fake to just match mine?

I want to see her explanation behind her take on distance bussing RR. I'll make a decision based on her response.

Not even close and don't even try and throw that conspiracy theory around. The only one in that group i'd even consider having a group with is July. Sang I have my eye on and Daddy is just too flipping weird. Can you show where you believe that those three are hiding behind me in order to cover their ***es?

Dad never came through with justification on D1 when it came to his reads on RR|Seikend. He said he was going to out them, but he never got to it. A large part of Dad is unexplainable and despite this many people are okay with it [i.e. J] despite him still being a hard read based on the aforementioned behavior.

July has been bothering me based on how readily she adopted your stance and opinion. I really want to see what motive she had in being so pliable to take on your case and try to expand on it further.

Sangfroid perhaps not so much.

Underlying question, if you believe these three to be scummy and who you wanna look into, why does your vote not reside on any of them?

I want to read what they have to type first before I place my vote.

 

[Tandora]

Tanny is your 792 an invitation of hand holding implying town reads or are you just making an offhand comment?

Hm, more of an invite of hand holding for now. I am sure both of you can appreciate that I'll vote for you if necessary. And I'd like to think that at least one of you understands what the offer of hand holding means FROM me. Although J didn't catch it in Gurren Laggann.

And yeah, this.

I maybe wrong, but I'm gonna assume that he is a good enough player that if he were scum, he'd be better about remembering who is in the game (unlike some other SWF players we know >.>). He seemed honestly confused that Omni was not in the game which gave me a town vibe.

My apologies again for not being able to be on during the last bit of D1. But as I said, things came up. However, I'm extremely tired right now. I'm not going to do any rereads tonight, as I'd rather be fresh when I do so. Bug me about it tomorrow if I don't, because I don't want to forget X:

Sorry you had IRL issues.

And yes I am buddy-buddy because it's more fun for me that way.

 

[traveling cat]

@TC ISO'ing is basically one step further from just reading their posts, ISO'ing is basically zoning into one player and taking attention to detail, if the ISO comes out negative, like that abortion i gave my wife, then no harm done, i unvote. if it comes out positive, then my vote is warranted and i leave it there, along with making a case.

Such a backwards way of doing things here, voting first and looking for evidence later. But hey, since you have since changed your vote, what was it about the ISO that came out negative?

TC, Hi hi. Thanks for replacing in and could you tell us a scum-read or two of yours if you are fully caught up? Could you then tell us which situations you thought to be the most telling.

My pleasure. Right now, I find July scummy for the reasons below.

Why are you fools all up on Acrostic? He's a new player, and if it wasn't for Sonic Mafia, I'd have not known what the Innochild is either.

J, is it possible for you to maybe go to an easier to read red? It's just hurting my eyes trying to read it, and I know Ruy can't change his (yet), but yea.

I'll be back later to do stuff. Let's see if it's so incredibly easy to tell who's posting between Gord and myself LOL.

Note the 'I'll get back to you later'. We'll be seeing more of that.

This guy mad.

Vote: Ignatius

Apparently you're pretty good at this game Iggy. You obviously know how to play if you've played previous games here and have played a multitude of BRoom games, so I'm pretty confident that questioning dumb vs scum is not fair to you. So let's get to the vote. You're putting pressure on a hydra simply for the fact that it's a hydra. Now although I respect your opinion of hydras, that has zero indication of alignment, seeing that it's a personal problem of yours. What really catches me oddly is that you went for a hydra that quite literally came in here and made one post that had zero substance. So my questions, are why did you add the vote to that question, and why do I get the feeling that you're faking content?

First actually vote and attack on a player and it's on someone who screams BAD PLAY. While this might not bad on it's own, it's easy fake content material to cover how little one actually scumhunts. And she does so very little. A couple other players point out the fluff later, but people ignore. I am sad.

Thoughts:

Seikend's #31 is the first post that stood out to me content-wise. I like his response to getting called out for lurking, and from there he generates questions that provoke conversation and continue to bridge the gap between the RVS feel of early game and actual content.


Acrostic's posts are hard to read but they are reasonable. I remember thinking the same thing when I watched Newb 10 so he's null for me right now, I really didn't glean anything from his innocent child mix-up. The only thing about Acrostic I haven't liked so far is the last line of his #97, it just seems so out of character with the rest of his posts and even the very rational tone at the beginning of the post.

@RR: Thoughts on Acrostic's theorizing about relationships? Also do you think #97 expressed actual frustration, or AtE?

I don't agree with the comments on Tom's play looking artificial, he just seems blunt and I don't see that as a problem.



Good to know, my play style is similar so I will read you with this in mind.

@Hilt: What are your thoughts on J so far?


Other than that, not much to comment on so far. I like our vote right now.

Still no stance on who might be scummy, except Ignatius for obviously bad play and maybe Acro because he had a small outburst at the end of his post? Plenty of town reads though! That's important to have!

Useless. Absolutely fine as a lynch candidate if this deplorable activity continues just because I wouldn't want him in my lylo, but for now, let's hunt scum.

Oh wonderf-

I gotta say, it's funny. I have some town reads, and I have a couple moderately comfortable nulls. If this garbage heap of activity keeps up then we can easily just go off of keeping town reads alive until serious playing occurs and woot woot we got a game. For the time being, I have limited time to actually scumhunt. But, coming tomorrow or the next day, I'll make sure to try and rip this town a new one. And J, you're on my side this time .

This post was totally made by July btw.

Wait, false alarm. She'll get back to us later.

I don't want an inactive policy, and with the dreadful activity, it might dwindle down to that. I just wanna try and get people to actively play this game instead of using the excuse of "lol I'm reactionary.", and I don't want noobs to be intimidated by the fact that they dunno how to start the game. And that's why this game's been going on for DAYS and there's only 4 friggin pages. You know who's reactionary, and in fact, SO reactionary that he's called out on it almost all the time as town? Me, Gordito (but it's totally July posting). I'm sorry I'm just raging at the activity level this game. /end rant.

Leave me alone, you're always bugging me Dad . Your reasoning for your vote on me makes no sense and if it wasn't for the fact that I assume it's Soup posting, trying to get this game going, I'd call you scum back. But I really dunno how to take it at this point.

J, you're town this game. J, you know I'm town this game. Wanna take advantage of the fact and **** together?

@Mod request mass prodding/prods on those who need em, please. Preferably a mass prodding though.

Threatens to call accuser scum, edges up to defender, and attacks the inactives. The latter which is the pot calling kettle black. Activity has been spotty and what posts do have content don't try to move things along or find scum.

BTW, attacking inactives and asking for prods, also good fluff content.

Man Dad's acting like he usually does when football's online: like a jerk .

I'll read more in depth later, but we DO have 4 days left which is ridiculous. I say if we should lynch one person (since an Iggy lynch won't go down cuz he won't post and be scummy) I'd have to go Panta, and I'll read what you guys say to go Seph.

Votes, but doesn't give reason, and gives another 'I'll get back to you later'.

Seikend that post...

Sorry that I haven't been posting as much as I'd like to, but I just hate having to go from account to account (especially when my hydra partner seems totally MIA x_x (Gosh darn Gordito!!!)). I'm not 100% sold on Ruy scum atm, and it might warrant a reread, but for now, I think our best option is still upon Seikend (that 250 seems like an attempt to slide into the building Ruy wagon), Seph (half for his inactiveness, and half for the fact that his "coming back" post was really a big post saying a lot of nothing). I can't get a read on Dad, so I'm going to trust J to help me out with em (J what's your read on Dad?). Everybody else that I didn't mention are either town and fine for me, or inactive and vigbait.

Inactivity excuse. Reasoning on Seik is vague, reasoning on Seph can be applied on herself, and passes giving a read on Dad to J.

Gordito head here, haven't gotten to talk to the July head because she's always so darn busy (July where are you?!?). Anyways still feeling solid in our Seikend read.



Yes we can :D

Seikend's first post was legit and with the game just getting going he really seemed like he'd provide content. Here:



He says that he'll prolly be able to read AM the easiest and that the current content is garbage, and that was a good sign and I liked where he was going with it. And all the questions could have provided some really good content and conversation.

Yet in his next post, his #105, he doesn't follow up on any of his questions he asked before. It's also disappointing because this:


And a "big null" on Seph in response to J's question to him are the extent of the reads in that post.

#128 he puts his vote on Hilt, but also addresses his suspicions of Red Ryu. His #228 addresses some questions to his scum read Hilt, but ends with two very subtle statements about other players that can "go" too:



I can agree on RR but his issues with AM are that they haven't justified anything, but I don't agree, they've been active and providing reads since they started posting. With RR it seems like he may have been setting himself up to hop on a budding RR wagon as well.

Finally #250 has no content and then just a sudden vote on RR, for what reason? He's feeling better about Hilt, but nothing new to add about RR since his last post.




Not happy with Red Ryu's play either. His #260 is a massive post devoted to defending himself for his push on Acrostic and for his focus on the inactives. There's some self-meta in there, but even worse there no new content.

I also found this post amusing:



Where RR infers that only having two scum picks is bad, which comes only a couple posts after this:





That's 7 people that RR apparently feels comfortable with dying...that's just extreme.

I don't think a Seikend and RR scum team is likely, because Seikend didn't hesitate to put his vote on RR after jumping off Hilt. Between the two I'm feeling Seikend scum is more likely than RR.

Unvote
Vote: Seikend

Finally takes a stance and gives evidence behind vote. Bravo, except....

I didn't read that post Seikend, I moreso read the bottom line. But going off of JUST that, that's not enough for a town read. For all we know, since the team of Gordito and July is that of such epic proportions, a member of scum can be emulating our flawless scum reads just to try and squeeze into our good side.

Hey don't blame me for this post it's 6:30 and I've gotten no sleep, I'll do something productive after some sleep.

Hilt counters and fires some questions back, to which her reply is 'I didn't read that'. But that's okay. She'll get back to it later.

Told y'all that slot was scum.

I'll post for real later if I finish watching Glee season 2 tonight or when I talk to my hydra mate who never seems to be online/hitting me up on AIM (darn you Gordito!!!). But in the meantime I like where (unvote Vote Sangfroid Warrior) my vote is.

Or not. Changes vote without warning or reason. The reason doesn't come around until LST is broken to just July near the end of the deadline, and it's followed with a reason for unvote. As for the choice between RR vs Seik, she chooses RR over her previous suspicions on Seik. However, I can't find any solid reason for her choosing one over then other then 'he feels null/scummy', which looks like another wagon vote.


To sum: Activity has been spotty, makes excuses for inactivity, continually saying she'll get back later (and doesn't), little to no scum hunting, fluff, and flip-flopping wagons. The overall activity screamed lurking scum to me, and I want her lynched. Vote: July

 

[#HBC | J]

Can't really do much w.r.t. Acro's response to me because I have to wait on him whom is waiting on others. ~.~

Also I'm really not feeling TC's case on July at all. However I'm gonna abstain from commenting till I see July's response.

Tanny dear, never got to apologize but super sorry for shooting you in GL mafia. I had never voted you before but grah that game. Anyways, can you tell me if you agree or disagree with TC's case on July?

 

[#HBC | J]

TC, if you had to pick a second person as your scum-pick, who would it be and why?

 

[#HBC | J]

Dad, why do you think I scum with Hilt? Because I realized what he was doing?

Dad's hiphopping wagon flopping is odd. Combined with the hydra squabble and the slot doesn't really seem occupied with scumhunting.

These aren't even what he was getting at in the first one. The second one they even said they were going to be having content once one side catches up.

Traveling Cat's 2 questions also seem like a way to fake activity or scumhunting. Personally, I think J is town.

How are they fake to you? Also why did you randomly throw in a Jtown read tacked on at the end of this sentence?

Also, Kuz, does being in a hydra make you not follow your original meta? I haven't seen you asking endgame map questions like in the Newbie game.

Acrostic's confusion and backpedalling looks sincere and legitimate. Right now I am feeling Jtown and Acrotown.

You are definetely going to have to show me where you are feeling that Acro's posts are coming off as towny. Also y u repeat Jtown read?

Trend I've noticed with n00bscum is that they like to throw out random things to the person people held as the "most town" at the current time randomly to make sure they are seen by them. (i.e. BSL in All-Stars mafia) However, looking at your other posts I cannot shake this really inexperienced towny feel from you.

Panda, can you give me a scum-read of yours? Who are you looking to vote and why?

^Kuzi-side/Tanny/AM/Hilt, do you agree to the analysis that Panda is leaning more dummy then scummy?

 

[#HBC | J]

Hahaha. Cocky and egotistical? Alright, Dad. Would be wonderful if you could back it up. Your vote on me and its reasoning were really hollow in general. Also, after you check up on my voting patterns, please get back to us with what you've found.

Hilarious.

I dislike this post and I can see where someone would get the cocky tone from. It seems a little forced/fake with the tone of it.

Panta, you make a lot of pokes and hints at accusations, but don't actually call anyone out on anything. You didn't give anything but a positive read on people or say they (or what they did) was "odd" or "confusing". Do you not suspect anyone? Or are you too cautious to call anyone out on anything?

Planning to do a reread on Panta. I'm curious to see if this is a habit of his in this game.

But I like this post though so meeeeh. I am curious to see where he goes with his Panta read.

Hm, more of an invite of hand holding for now. I am sure both of you can appreciate that I'll vote for you if necessary. And I'd like to think that at least one of you understands what the offer of hand holding means FROM me. Although J didn't catch it in Gurren Laggann.

Tanny, I'm not open to hand-holding just yet with you. The only one I'd consider is possibly Hilt and maaaaaybe July.

I maybe wrong, but I'm gonna assume that he is a good enough player that if he were scum, he'd be better about remembering who is in the game (unlike some other SWF players we know >.>). He seemed honestly confused that Omni was not in the game which gave me a town vibe.

Come on now, you know this isn't good reasoning for your "leaning town" read on him(now TC). It's WIFOM for one and two it's just weak my dear.

And yes I am buddy-buddy because it's more fun for me that way.

I used to do this too when people weren't so nasty/personal in games. Ah well, gotta move with the times.

 

[July]

It was. I have never played an online game against J before so all I have to go off of is his IRL play style.

KK I understand that.

I missed a lot during my first read, such as a few things that people had done as well as where Hilt said he doesn't post much. I agree with the last statement as well. I'm not sure if I said that before but I'm saying it now.

What is your read on Hilt now?

I've played with Acro before in Newbie 13 extensively. I played with RR a tiny bit in Newbie where he was claimed cop. At that point, Acro's posts seemed more like nothings but it still seemed to me like he was hunting. RR, on the other hand, just seemed to be trying to bail himself out and trying to get rid of inactives.

Acrostic's posts are hard to get through and have the appearance of good content, but I feel like he very often overstates things or presents so much information and so many points of view that it gives him wiggle room on his cases or reads. With RR specifically Acrostic seemed to advocate the lynch at times, but then called it a PL and a ML and putting a lot of conflicting opinions out there on one topic which made it hard to understand his stance.

RR I can agree was scummy for the reasons you said so I don't think you were in the wrong to call him scummy, it just seemed like at the time Acrostic had more scummy qualities outlined by you and yet you went RR with your vote.

I'd prefer Dad|July if I was picking out of players who have been semi-active. If I had a full lynch choice then I'd go with Sephiroth Masamune. Considering the difficulties in completing this wagon, I don't believe that I'm a "viable option," however if I'm not night killed then tomorrow I'm probably going to be tunneled non-stop.

The lynch wouldn't materialize and there won't be sufficient pressure on either of them to give me substantial responses. I did vote them before throughout the course of today, but I think LST ignored my question wrt Ignatius and changed his fos so I didn't press on it & Dad's been Dad.

If you had a "full lynch choice" why would that choice be Seph? Do you find Seph slot scummier than Dad and myself?

Also if there were any questions asked of LST that didn't get answered I have more time and I will make sure they are answered, just link it to me.

My reason for Dad being scum ended up being a misunderstanding on re-read. Therefore I dropped the point after J pointed it out to me. It is not a matter of convenience. That was my lead on Dad at the time and it turns out that I was mistaken so I dropped it. The transition to RR was the next logical option given my list of reads.

Kk but after you drop the Dad vote you put your vote on RR and say the reason is in your #372, which is here:

@Tom: What are your reads for today and who do you want lynched?

@RR: RR an explanation to why you decided to transition from me to Seikend would be nice. When I asked you to come at me, I wanted you to come at me so I could see you scumhunting and being pro-town before we decided to lynch. Bleck.

@Sangfroid:

Spoiler

Being agitated =/= being over defensive.



There was no wagon to jump-on. Therefore I cannot be a wagon-jumper. Was I trying to get votes on LST? Yes. And it was because there was little to no content from that slot.



He writes too much. Y/N?



Are you serious? Dad lied. No one commented on it. J gave it a complete pass. If someone lies then town should be curious about the intent. It's not based on time restraints. It's based on why Dad would lie in the first place when it was something as trivial as a hydra disagreement. It was not based on time restraints. Re-read and reassess.

This reasoning was weak for you to switch your vote to RR and put him to L-2, from reading this post it didn't seem like your concerns about RR scum were all that strong and you had JUST told Sangfroid to re-read and reassess. After find out that your top scum pick was based off a misunderstanding, you immediately jumped on RR without any further explanation of your scum read on him, and that seemed like you were just trying to get away from the Dad mistake and get on the popular wagon.

The concept of distance busing seems to defeat the purpose of busing. Also the sense of distancing implies that both partners are trying to separate themselves from each other. My dialogue with RR has been requests for him to actually rebut my points and address them. I wanted RR to question me so that I could develop a town read on him. That never happened and RR ignored me. I really find it odd that both you and J are reaching for this bus|distance relationship when it fundamentally makes little internal sense. Scummy alternatives I can understand is distancing myself from RR|Voting Seikend or bus RR|try to lead the wagon. However bus RR|distancing myself from RR seems like a very awkward premise that I have trouble believing two people came up with it on separate analysis.

What I was saying is that there were different aspects of this post that came in conflict with each other but could definitely have scum motivation behind them. You said you were okay with RR because it was better than a NL, which could be giving yourself a way out if RR flipped town, but you also cited some weak reasons why RR was scummy here and there and that could give you some credibility if RR flipped scum. So really you let this response ride the middle and never took a hard stance on your vote on RR as either a vote to prevent a NL or as a vote on a scum pick and that's the issue; you left it open as to why you were really voting RR and that gave you a wiggle room to get on the wagon without having to explicitly call him scummy.

J fosed RR and Panta in #121. This read remained more or less consistent to the point that we are lynching RR today. The reads I gave were me being sarcastic. I tried to clarify this in my following post that it was rude of me to do this, but I still agree with the premise that J's scum reads don't seem to fluctuate much with respect to dialogue until it came to me|Dad where she substituted me as second scum pick.

But the issue here is that J was asking you questions and asking questions is a way to get a read on someone. And if I'm correct even though you clarified that this was a bit rude, I don't think you ever actually answered J's questions seriously. So you say that J's reads don't seem to fluctuate when it comes to dialogue except when it came to you, but you rejected having a serious dialogue with J here so I don't understand why you are surprised that J's read changed on you. Reading the dialogue it did seem off that you never seriously answered his questions.

I find it weird. Yes. Can I not address things I find weird?

You can but you make it seem like RR shouldn't still ask questions of J, a null-town read for him, because J had a scum read on him, and that doesn't make sense to me.

@July: Can you explain why scum would try to bus their partner D1 while trying to establish distance?

Well if scum busses a partner they are obviously trying to gain town cred from their partner's scum flip, distancing is just more of a natural thing to avoid having to directly confront their scummate.

Guessing this is going back to your argument about RR which I addressed earlier in the post, first of all I never said you were bussing your partner, I said that you found a convient way to hop on the wagon while still expressing doubt about it. If you are scum and RR had flipped scum then you could have emphasized that you were on the wagon and did cite reasons for RR scum. If you are scum and RR flipped town, then you can push that you had to be on there to prevent the NL instead but you had a feeling he was town. Either way you set up a scenario where you wouldn't have to take responsibility for his flip toDay and that's why you have to be considered regardless of RR's flip, but an RR scum flip would have pointed to reluctant scum hopping the wagon to gain some town cred.

@TC ISO'ing is basically one step further from just reading their posts, ISO'ing is basically zoning into one player and taking attention to detail, if the ISO comes out negative, like that abortion i gave my wife, then no harm done, i unvote. if it comes out positive, then my vote is warranted and i leave it there, along with making a case.

@J Acro, Seph, Sang - in that order, dunno what to think of mr.math man.

the TC slot looks town already from her question she presented, the seph slot is more of a bother for me.

offtopic but i'm not sure who or why would kill seikend, perhaps to put bias on this dad here but i highly doubt it.

@Acro

i voted RR for reasons stated in the thread, if i didn't clarify on a dead townie then sorry, he's already flipped already.

Sadly, same goes with seikend, i believed that at first seikend was being accused for not enough content but then i looked at what he did have and i didn't like it one bit, i was ready to go with a seikend pressure, but then deadline happens and the RR wagon wasn't getting any lighter.

hmmm...

y'know

i'm completely forgetting about Hilt, he's scum too.

scratch the list J

Acro, Hilt, Sang, TC

in THAT order.

Dad, can you explain what your reads on Seph and TC?

I liked the interactions of J v. Dad, definitely reinforced my read on J and helped me get a little better read on Dad.

July has been bothering me based on how readily she adopted your stance and opinion. I really want to see what motive she had in being so pliable to take on your case and try to expand on it further.

The stance on Seikend was my own and was based on our own push of him from his lack of scumhunting and following through on his questions. Gord and I pushed Ignatius because of his post about hydras and then when SangfroidWarrior came into the game I kept a very close eye on her and expressed the suspicions I had of her, which at this point she has clarified most of and she is not one of my scum picks atm. Your play has been really scummy and my #683 and this post explains why, and I agree with points about your play that J has made as well. RR honestly I found scummy not only for his push on inactives but comparing meta from DGray mafia to here, and here he was drastically different and anti-town, but that was meta that I couldn't really discuss until the game was over. So I appreciate J's case on you and suspicions of other people I find scummy, but my cases are mine.

My pleasure. Right now, I find July scummy for the reasons below.

Note the 'I'll get back to you later'. We'll be seeing more of that.

First actually vote and attack on a player and it's on someone who screams BAD PLAY. While this might not bad on it's own, it's easy fake content material to cover how little one actually scumhunts. And she does so very little. A couple other players point out the fluff later, but people ignore. I am sad.

Still no stance on who might be scummy, except Ignatius for obviously bad play and maybe Acro because he had a small outburst at the end of his post? Plenty of town reads though! That's important to have!

Oh wonderf-

Wait, false alarm. She'll get back to us later.

Threatens to call accuser scum, edges up to defender, and attacks the inactives. The latter which is the pot calling kettle black. Activity has been spotty and what posts do have content don't try to move things along or find scum.

BTW, attacking inactives and asking for prods, also good fluff content.

Votes, but doesn't give reason, and gives another 'I'll get back to you later'.

Inactivity excuse. Reasoning on Seik is vague, reasoning on Seph can be applied on herself, and passes giving a read on Dad to J.

Finally takes a stance and gives evidence behind vote. Bravo, except....

Hilt counters and fires some questions back, to which her reply is 'I didn't read that'. But that's okay. She'll get back to it later.

Or not. Changes vote without warning or reason. The reason doesn't come around until LST is broken to just July near the end of the deadline, and it's followed with a reason for unvote. As for the choice between RR vs Seik, she chooses RR over her previous suspicions on Seik. However, I can't find any solid reason for her choosing one over then other then 'he feels null/scummy', which looks like another wagon vote.

A lot of this is just stating what LST has done, and not really providing much behind it except highlighting that LST wasn't really active D1; the points bolded are just shots at our activity.

Our first vote on Ignatius and his spot deserved pressure. The vote clearly had reason, I saw the possibility of scum motivation there and I never got a response from Ignatius on that post; that pressure was warranted and I kept an eye on Sang as well as she filled his spot and went from there on my read of the slot.

The part that I italicized was post #103 and was my head's first post of the game. We had a lead we were pursuing and a couple town reads, but we're not going to force scum reads, and not all the players had even posted. Yet you twist this as if we went for so long with only our Ignatius stance and what you consider little content...at post #103 :-/

I just flat out diasgree that I don't have content, I gave our reads throughout the Day and once again, more attacks on our activity. The Sangfroid suspicions I stated our case, asked questions of her, but I made it very clear that between our vote, which was originally based on Ignatius's play and her intro post, and our next post, Sangfroid's content had become better and Acrostic/RR play was scummier. Seikend was still not following through on his reads but was much less unsettling than Acrostic and RR. In my post #683 (which you didn't quote) I actually point out that Acrostic has top my scum picks over Seikend and RR, but I could support the RR wagon because he was my secondary scum pick. And you call it a wagon vote but neglect to mention that there was no time to fight for an Acrostic wagon because it was RR wagon or NL at that point.

To sum: Activity has been spotty, makes excuses for inactivity, continually saying she'll get back later (and doesn't), little to no scum hunting, fluff, and flip-flopping wagons. The overall activity screamed lurking scum to me, and I want her lynched. Vote: July

Why are your first three reasons to vote me all different ways to say activity (or inactivity)? We did scum hunt, you accuse me of fluffing by asking for completely inactive players to post before deadline, and that I flip-flop wagons which I can only think is the RR wagon which we not only supported but didn't want to see a no lynch.

Also, you attack me for asking completely inactive players to post but you don't mention any of the other people who brought up the activity problem yesterDay, which was a very real problem.

@Mod: Request Votecount

Acrostic is still my top scum pick, and Traveling Cat I don't like at all as I find this case to be really opportunistic, and I would like to see her stance on some other players.

Tandora is null for me so far, she makes a good point about two of Hilt's posts being advice and Sang expressed concern for him earlier, I've liked some of his content though, like asking Panta for reads. Right now he's null-town but deserves a re-read.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Voted | Voter(s) | Votes/Lynch
Acrostic | J | 1 / 7
Panta | Dad | 1 / 7
Aggressive Mediation | Tandora | 1 / 7

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Not Voting: Traveling Cat, Sephiroths Masamune, July, Aggressive Mediation, JTB, Hilt, Acrostic, Panta, SangfroidWarrior;

Takes 7/12 to lynch

 

[July]

Thank you.

Vote: Acrostic

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Can you tell us which reads have possibly changed?

Just a general comment. But, I've changed my view on Acro and AM as well as Hilt. I think I might have already said that but... just for reference.

 

[Panta]

J, why do you complain when I give you a town read?

At this point I would have to say, Dad is most likely scum. Their playing style is off and the well I will let hydraheadx explain that is a nice way of... Give me time to come up with why I said that.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

J, why do you complain when I give you a town read?

I'm probably going to either post tomorrow or later tonight if I get the chance on a bunch of different things and questions that I need to address because I'm going to be busy for much of today, but I wanted to highlight this really quick.

Panta, I really dislike this from you. It makes it seem like you're just saying that J is town just to get him on your side. That's not really what you're doing, right? I mean, you do have reasons for a town read on him, right? I know I can't really say much about this, especially wrt my joking with him about me kind of doing this earlier, but knowing this is coming from somebody who has possibly never played with J before makes me dislike it.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, why do you complain when I give you a town read?

At this point I would have to say, Dad is most likely scum. Their playing style is off and the well I will let hydraheadx explain that is a nice way of... Give me time to come up with why I said that.

Sang already got to this but can you answer some of the other questions I asked you like pointing out where you thought some things were fake?

@Mod: Travelling Cat is voting July

On another note, I have to agree with a line that July said w.r.t. TC's case on her. It's opportunistic looking for one but it's also reaching for a point to call her scum which I don't like. She keeps up bringing up the inactivity quite a bit and non of her stuff really shows for much besides like tiny comments and not why what July has done is scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

FoS: Travelling Cat

Move her to about equal to Sang atm.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Voted | Voter(s) | Votes/Lynch
Acrostic | J, July | 2 / 7
Panta | Dad | 1 / 7
Aggressive Mediation | Tandora | 1 / 7
July |Traveling Cat | 1 / 7

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Not Voting: Sephiroths Masamune, Aggressive Mediation, JTB, Hilt, Acrostic, Panta, SangfroidWarrior;

Takes 7/12 to lynch

 

[JTB]

Prod dodge

Once my productivity kicks in, ill read this

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nicholas1024 replaces Sephiroths Masamune. Thanks a lot!

 

[Nicholas1024]

Well, it looks like I'm replacing in now that I'm dead in Time Travelers, so hello everyone!

I'd better get started on reading the thread (Although after the activity-fest that was OS's game, this shouldn't be THAT bad.)

 

[#HBC | J]

Thanks Nichy-boy. ^^

TC, Hi hi. Thanks for replacing in and could you tell us a scum-read or two of yours if you are fully caught up? Could you then tell us which situations you thought to be the most telling?

^Tanny, when you get here could you do that as well.

Can you answer this when you are fully caught up? Thanks.

 

[Tandora]

Tanny dear, never got to apologize but super sorry for shooting you in GL mafia. I had never voted you before but grah that game. Anyways, can you tell me if you agree or disagree with TC's case on July?

Although I appreciate the apology, how is that relevant to this game? Why isn't it something you could have done privately either on AIM or email?

As far as TC, why are you asking my opinion on this? What's your opinion?

 

[Tandora]

Come on now, you know this isn't good reasoning for your "leaning town" read on him(now TC). It's WIFOM for one and two it's just weak my dear.

That's what you say for all my posts. =/

 

[Tandora]

I like July's response to TC. TC, how do you feel about July the individual as compared to LST the hydra? Honestly, I thought it was mostly Gordito posting on the hydra and being his normal goofy town self, so I didn't see a lot of July's voice until now.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@J. I'm just wondering, and if you have already said your reasons tell me that but, are you calling me null-scum for a legitimate reason other than "Ugh... IDK she just seems off to me" or are you just saying that because you are just wary of me in general.

 

[Panta]

I like July's response to TC. TC, how do you feel about July the individual as compared to LST the hydra? Honestly, I thought it was mostly Gordito posting on the hydra and being his normal goofy town self, so I didn't see a lot of July's voice until now.

I actually like July solo better than the hydra. I don't like it when peoe don't take the game seriously and Gord didnt really seem too serious. July's solo post and case against Acro/Traveling Cat makes me like that slot a whole lot better as I can actually see the scumhunting. I don't know if it is just me, but I don't like Hyrdae. :s

Sang/J, I actually didn't think that my post was that bad (the joke with J at least). I found it funny and very town that J was debating a town read that I gave him. Scum would be happy to be viewed as town in the eyes of other people. J's uneasiness when I kept calling him town shows me he is more concerned with why I am saying that and where my town read comes from.

I know you guys are getting tired of this, but, J continues to reinforce my town read on him.

J, I'll give you specifics after I look into Dad's posts, but right now I am eating dinner and only have an iPhone to post...

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

So, you like the fact that he's questioning you and yet dislike it as well? Cuz that's what I'm getting from it. No matter. I just said that I dislike it, not that I think you are scum for it. If you did mean it as a joke then I feel better about it.

 

[Panta]

No, I do like him questioning me about my town read on himself. It doesn't make any sense for a nontown player to do so. Where do you get the impression that I don't like J for it?

It was mostly a joke. Usually whe. I add the winky or tongue smiley, the phrase/sentence is meant to be thought of in a different, joking light.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm V|LA until possibly Sunday|Monday if you guys didn't catch my post in social.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Wait. I just finished packing and my vacation might have been cancelled. WOLOLOLOLOL.

 

[#HBC | J]

Although I appreciate the apology, how is that relevant to this game? Why isn't it something you could have done privately either on AIM or email?

As far as TC, why are you asking my opinion on this? What's your opinion?

I just thought since you brought up the game I could sidle it in there but I guess not. I already said my opinion on TC and I was asking your opinion on TC because you said you had a Town Read on Tom and I wanted to see what you thought of her case on July. Because that will give me reads on not only TC but July. So can I please has?

That's what you say for all my posts. =/

Now this is just an overexaggeration. =/

@J. I'm just wondering, and if you have already said your reasons tell me that but, are you calling me null-scum for a legitimate reason other than "Ugh... IDK she just seems off to me" or are you just saying that because you are just wary of me in general.

I thought I did tell you why I did not like you in the past but atm I only have 3 scum-reads but they are more or less like this.

Acrostic
=
=
=
Sang/TC

I'm definetely wary of you but I think it's a given at this point.

Actually I am really curious as to one person's read on you,

Dad(kuzi), what is your read on Sang?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

To save you from having to do an ISO:

J's fos begins around the point I voted you because I was under the impression that you were lying. I then state that the RR lynch is likely going to be an ML and at nature is a PL (we're PL'ing someone who is pushing PL's on inactives) because although the play is anti-town, I couldn't find anything scummy with it.

End of the day RR throws out that he thinks he was hammered and he is town. I take it as face value because I couldn't see scum RR saying that. I'm stuck between Seikend|RR. I was Seikend's scum partner in Newbie 13 and noted that his play was different, so I was under the impression that he was town. I had no leads though and hammered on RR at the end of the day to produce a direction for town today as I felt that this was TvT and I was more likely wrong about RR being town than Seikend.

J|July weren't happy with my reasoning and stated that they think my RR justification is scummy. I didn't come up with an elaborate defense and stated my impressions (EM style) as it mostly gravitated towards his last post. However I also felt that I was right because RR's posts weren't fundamentally slanderous or questionable in nature, it is that he was just uncooperative. RR had little assistance from anyone so I took it as RR playing poorly|anti-town play but not scum play.

...Heh.

This post is garbage!

Crunch!

I'll add it to the heap!

 

[Tandora]

I see Aggressive Meditation viewing. What you got to say, mang?

 

[Tandora]

Ninja'ed. -_-

And I hope you make like 5 more posts so I feel we get some real content from you. =/

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Hold your horses, sweetie. Your math doesn't make sense. Where have we not shown our work?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

unvote

yeah.. this is gonna get me nowhere

Vote: Hilt

Some of you factoring hectopascals have a scrap of beauty! I'm impressed!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

i don't want J getting her panties in a bunch so i guess i can explain some of the reasons why i'm voting him.

One is the interaction between RR, Hilt shows a cocky and egotistical attitude towards RR for no reason such as going "lol you gonna scum already?"

I find this bad, i don't find it bad because of moral grounds, but because it looks like he's trying to manipulate the situation, even after that Hilt dissapears, another thing is probably his voting patterns, which i'll look at later.

...your beauty is garbage!

CRUNCH

I'll add it to the heap! There were much better formulas to show Hilt=scum than this. Do the math!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@AssesiveMeatnation: What is your revised read on J based more on his play toDay than yesterDay?

His play had positives and negatives. The integer remains leaning scum. However, there is another variable I'd much rather solve for. That would be Hilt, but I'll show my work when I get to the problem.