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Tis fine. ^^ I haven't really such much w.r.t. your July case besides I don't agree to it.
When you do, can you let me know your updated opinion? Also you skipped what your Sang read was my dear.TC said:
TC said:
Generate discussions that wouldn't have any merit until Hilt turns up scum/indy, which would be afterwards. And if he is town, it would mean a big waste to precious Daylight.
You're just in denial.
Fair enough. I'll try to tone it down.
It isn't just you.
This is no better than what I last said to you :|
I'd say it's because you said that you couldn't come to a reason for why I'm mafia, but fell on calling me Indy.
I pushed for RR strongly when it was up between him and Seikend, and defended Seik. It was not without-a-doubt going to go in the direction of a RR lynch.
You ask for this but don't cite examples for why I'm guilty? Hmm.
Eh. I wouldn't exactly call it a scum slip in this situation. It just seems like he's reaching for a reason to call me scum. Kind of funny.
Votes for LST for... wait, he didn't really say.
Hmmm.Seikend... doesn't have many posts. THen again, I can't saying anything.
He comes in after getting prodded and provides... what everyone has already said.
I like his vote on Hilt because that is basically what I thought when I saw Hilt's vote on myself. However, it looks like he is trying to cozy up to me with his questioning of Hilt.
Hilt gave a pretty good reason as to why his vote was on me, in order to learn my playstyle. He said he probably wouldn't pursue my lynch because he wanted to pressure me in order to learn how I play. Seikend seems to totally ignore that fact, or he didn't see it.
I don't like his reason for his reads on Dad. In the beginning he said, oh cool, I'm not gonna have a hard time reading Soup/Kuz because I have played with you guys before, and he uses that excuse again when J asked him about his read on Dad with regards to LST. All he states is that, their votes were weird, but I inclined to agree with Dad because we usually have the same reads in the end. What is that?
Seikend's justification for his reads on me, J, LST, and AM seem like a cop out too. They are all one liners that barely contribute and I think they don't meet the expectations of the people who asked the question.
I don't know why he would feel more confident with AM's reads when he called AM out saying that his entrance into this game was terabad. It just doesn't make sense. And by the way, when I think of AM... I can't think of anything. His posts are really annoying for me to read. >_>
365 is a nice little way of changing RR's wording, Seikend. First of all, you came in after J had established his reads and then you both got close saying you guys had such similar reads. You also talk about that in your own post. Did you forget about that?
Meh. I don't feel like it is SvS and like you all said they are both scummy. I can't put my finger on who is more scummy, though. :\
Since the deadline is so close, though, I am going with a Seikend vote.
Unvote
Vote: Seikend
So, what do you think of J now, since RR turned out town?
I don't know if I replied to this or not yet. If I have, oh well. If not, here you go. I like his posts for the moment. His flipflopping just seemed like he really doesn't quite know who scum is but has ideas and is willing to follow through with those ideas, unlike others who just post and then don't really follow through. Also, wrt to recent things happening I dislike how you are trying to dig for scummy things on certain people and completely overlooking and blindly trusting anything scummy that one of your town reads might have said. For instance, you say you dislike AM for looking for indies (and you've made it clear earlier that you dislike AM) and yet you completely disregard anything that TC has said and say that you don't see how anything TC has said against July could be at all true. Also, do you still think Acro is scum? P.S. #881? Just the end "Maybe even better than Sang." It's not hard to be better than me at this game, jsyk.
What is your view on Tandora now?
He's null leaning town. There are some posts that I like from him, but there hasn't really been anything that has struck me as obvtown except maybe #885.
This is true, which is why I'm still going to be looking at Acro a lot. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get lynched today because it seems that the focus has moved elsewhere.
Can you give examples as to whom you are talking about in your last sentence who don't follow through?
What are you talking about now in the bolded? That is completely not true at all in the slightest sense of the word. How does calling AM out for looking for indies have anything to do with what I said w.r.t. TC? I never said anything in the hot pink. I said I didn't agree to what she was saying and I didn't say that what she said wasn't true. Where are you getting this from?Sang said:Also, wrt to recent things happening I dislike how you are trying to dig for scummy things on certain people and completely overlooking and blindly trusting anything scummy that one of your town reads might have said. For instance, you say you dislike AM for looking for indies (and you've made it clear earlier that you dislike AM) and yet you completely disregard anything that TC has said and say that you don't see how anything TC has said against July could be at all true. Also, do you still think Acro is scum? P.S. #881? Just the end "Maybe even better than Sang." It's not hard to be better than me at this game, jsyk.
Like Panta or Acro. They both say things about wanting to vote for people but never follow through with it. For example, Acro decided to vote for RR just to appease the town even though he had stronger scum reads. Panta says something offhandedly about thinking so and so could be a scum but never puts force behind it, and by force I don't mean voting. I mean interrogation and focus.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but you just seem to be willing to trust July with anything that she says or does. With AM, you are saying that since he is looking for Indies he must be scum because regular town people wouldn't do that. And I agree that you never said that, which is why it isn't quoted. But you were saying how you didn't see any of TC's argument against July, which makes it seem like you don't think it's true. Meh. Those two instances are completely unrelated. I was just making a point.
Haha true true.Yes I still think Acro is scum which is why I changed TC's quote a bit. I was also talking about her being better at saying things before I do at an uncanny level.
I would like to see Acro lynched, but I also want to see more from him since he's V/LA for the weekend. I'm not complaining that he might not be lynched. I'm just stating that people other than you, july, and me aren't looking for his lynch. I'm keeping my vote back until Acro gets back and I can see more from him. Until then, I don't see anybody that strikes me as scummy more-so than Acro, so I'm just not voting for the moment. Also, do you mean July's case on any number of things or the case on July? If you mean the case on July, I can see where TC is coming from, but I don't agree with it, which is why I asked her if she thought any of July's posts toDay looked scummy.
How do you suggest they should fix this?
No, just no hahaha.Sang said:
No again haha. I said I disliked him because of his indy push and I do find him a bit scummier because of it. You are attacking this the wrong way.Sang said:
Don't you say the exact thing down below?Sang said:
So let me ask you, because you don't agree to it, do you think it's untrue? Also you really draw out that reply to just say, "I'm not voting Acro till he gets back from V/LA."Sang said:
Follow through with your thoughts and accusations?
I'm not attacking it, I'm just saying I dislike it.J said:
Um...No? You had said that you don't see any of the argument, IIRC.J said:
No, I do not think it is untrue. I see where she is coming from. I can understand her points, but I do not think that is a reason to call July scummy and would therefore like to see more evidence. And meh. I didn't know what I was really saying until I said it like 8 times. Sue me.J said:So let me ask you, because you don't agree to it, do you think it's untrue? Also you really draw out that reply to just say, "I'm not voting Acro till he gets back from V/LA."
Then why not question them on it and ask them to do as such?
By saying you dislike it, isn't that technically attacking it because you feel it is wrong?Sang said:
Caaaan you bring it up?Sang said:
So what's your opinion of TC based on her said attack if you do not find it scummy but she is pretty gung-ho about a July lynch?Sang said:
Becuase I've just recently noticed it. I believe I have asked Panta and I tried with Acro but it didn't work because it was close to deadline.Then why not question them on it and ask them to do as such?
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Pretty null. We've only seen her lynch of July and she's sticking beside it even after attacks from others about it. The indy thing doesn't make me think she's scum even though I dislike it. Heck, I've never been in any games with an indy, so I can't really make a counter argument to this.J said:
General overview post. Indicates that this was prepared or at least thought-out to give this case focus. The premise is that I state things in a manner that give me "wiggle room" and therefore am scum.
We PL'd RR because he was lynching inactives. He did commit to some other questionable actions, but the fact that he was focusing on inactives stood out as a primary reason as to why we started the lynch. More reasons came afterwards such as him joining the Seikend wagon for little to no reason and his voting behavior with little explanation. However at its base the RR lynch as a PL in my mind that resulted in an ML (because he was town).July said:
I wanted to lynch Sephiroth because I had a feeling that he would be inactive throughout the game and I felt better with lynching him than either RR|Seikend. I believe that Seph is a "townier" read at the moment than either you or Dad even with his lack of content.July said:
Perhaps you didn't know, but that post is with regards to my posts in #332, and #333. If you read that post alone then you would think it is a weak reason since it is a progression of these two previous posts getting unsatisfactory answers. I told Sangfroid to re-read and reassess because she missed the two posts I probably posted before which I'm assuming you missed as well. I didn't just "hop-on" to the popular wagon, I had a vague feeling that RR could be town and wanted him to "come at me" so he could start showing off his town vibes. I hope this clarifies some things.July said:
#372: [1] RR's lack of explanation for switching from Seikend to meJuly said:
I've had tons of "serious" dialogue with J up to that point. Mocking her in that one post was not the point of change in his fos wrt me. I eventually did answer the question seriously in #508 wrt the post you quoted #496.July said:
I'm town and you tunnel on me (if I have you as a town read), I think your perception this game is bad. I really wouldn't go out of my way to ask you for feedback on my reads.July said:
Addressed the bolded section in my earlier post that it wasn't a convenient hop-on, I rebutted RR and asked him to respond back. I also found his move to Seikend with little explanation to be scummy. I was reluctant to lynch RR because I had a gut read that he would be town based on how no one came to his defense or tried to prevent his lynch. I don't see me capitalizing on this so called "town cred" that I'm supposed to cash-in on. Neither do I understand the point of me gambiting as scum off of "gut reads" to seem town. I decided to hammer as Zen told me in Newbie 13 that forcing an NL based on your own reads rather than pushing the lynch for town is incredibly selfish. So I hammered.July said:
I actually liked your #322 and unvoted for you because of it.July said:
Still don't understand how his hydra talk during RVS was a scum-tell.July said:
I believe I've addressed #683 in my #700 which we are discussing now. I didn't have much meta on RR aside from Newbie 13 and I didn't see PL lynches as being scummy because in my Newbie 13 the inactives were both mafia. I will admit that I liked your #322 as it showed that you were beginning your own case, however your subsequent direction has mostly been pointed in J's direction and I don't see much outside questioning.July said:
This feels townie to me, as it's obvious that regardless of alignment Acrostic made the same mistake (that is, not realizing the innocent child is COMPLETELY confirmed.) I feel that scum wouldn't tried to push JTB under that assumption, due to the semi-confirmation making him a tougher target. So, town points for Acrostic.
Hm, don't particularly like how Panta goes ahead and makes with RVS stuff when discussion is starting.
This defense strikes me as odd, Acrostic had all of two votes on him, and it's only the first few pages of the game. If Acro happens to be scum this will be something to look back at.
I like this post, it's not exactly a super-awesome case, but it helps with activity, gets some discussion going, points out something worth pursuing... good stuff.
This is the third post from Panta, and none of them have been remotely helpful. Not liking it.
If JTB wasn't clear, I'd probably have jumped on him for this. Calling someone scummy for fake content when there's clearly real content as well AND only 7 pages of thread in a rather inactive game? *sigh*
This feels off to me, as Acro's clearly been the one most trying to stoke activity in this thread, and inferno's done nothing.The only thing I have against acrostic is that he is being very defensive and not posting enough info. Not really sure if that's enough to put a vote on.
Seriously? People are trying to scum hunt despite lack of content, and you just keep trying to plunge the game back into RVS. Dislike.
Sure, there wasn't a lot of people agreeing with his vote at the time, but there's 4 days before deadline, and there basically ISN'T a wagon on anyone at this point. If his read remains a scum read, I think a townie would have PUSHED that read instead of going "Oh, people disagree with me, so I'll just drop it." Ugh.
Here's the thing, D's vote wasn't anywhere. Sure, if the vote's more useful somewhere else and nobody supports your wagon then it's okay to switch. However, when only a couple people chime in on your vote, it makes 0 sense to unvote if you still have a scum read and NO better place to put said vote! Even if the vote wasn't at its best there (which is hard to evaluate with only a couple people chiming in), it's better there than not being used at all, right? So what purpose did the unvote serve? (Perhaps to get people off his back for a bad vote…)
J, quit stealing my lines! Seriously, I type up a paragraph, move ahead a few posts, and see you've beaten me to the punch. It's annoying. At any rate, D comes back with a "lol, U DUMB" reply instead of any proper defense.
Hey look who finally posted something non-fluff.
are you stupid
did you get dropped on the head as a child are you stupid
do you not hear the words am i speaking? what i am saying? can you not understand coherent english?
(This quote is in reference to Ignatius's "Why did you need to hydra" entry question.)
Are you seriously trying to paint AtE as a town tell? Although I agree that showing emotion doesn't make someone scum, the idea that only town uses AtE is just horrible.
Hm, Hilt vs Panta is interesting, as Hilt votes Panta for several RVS fluff posts, and then Panta goes after Hilt for… not contributing or seeking out scum. Not quite sure what to think of it yet, depends on Panta/Hilt's future activity.
I want to see more reasoning regarding this. Yes, I agree that a J/D scum team is unlikely. However, the thought that BOTH are town is unjustified.
Huh? Explain.
I don't like this. Although an inactive lynch isn't optimal, scum can quite easily lurk, and I point to PLSD in Time Travelers (ongoing, but he's already flipped) as an example. Additionally, Panta doesn't touch on LST at all, just joining the popular wagon.
When did I say I had changed reads on you? My reads are exactly the same as they were from before the end of D1. I just wasn't voting you becuase I want to see more from you... Your explanation wrt Dad/July? It must not have made any impression because I can't even remember it. Point it out, please?
Town, town, scum.
Why don't you vote him then? Hilt is trying to cast suspicion on arguably the most antitown of players so far (me).
Besides the lack of? #811, she didn't respond to half of the case, saying it was just shots at activity and chose not to explain herself for it. I didn't like her defense, which is why I'm pushing it harder to see how she responses to it. Her other post was #813 where she just voted Acro and hasn't posted anything else toDay. Sooooo... >_>
Considering his strong reaction when we made that point, it's looking like a mafia slip. I also don't like that he agrees with my case but chooses not to vote with it. Instead, out of the blue, he goes after an Indy, something we have absolutely no reason to believe to be in the game atm.
Alrighty, thanks. I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
Don't forget Acrostic.
