Sure, lemme bring up his posts.How was his reaction a slip? Agreed that there was no reason to bring up indies and its different from how things went in Bebop, but that doesn't mean he slipped by doing so. Gimme details.
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Oh my god, go die.
EXPLAIN to me why, when I believe strongly that I've found an indy, I should leave it alone and go for mafia. That's a STUPID argument that I've had to shoot down before. So go ahead and tell me WHY I should be hunting ANY kind of scum over any other?
Are you KIDDING me? Why do people push this bull****?
I want your comments on why, but I want J's first.
Oh, so if I said that Hilt was scum and left ambiguous that he was indy then it wouldn't have been a problem at all. Only because I pointed out why I thought he was indy over mafia is it a problem? Indy and mafia do different things. Were you in Superheroes where I chased Gheb as SK (I was wrong, he was a weird off-Vig, but w/e)? I'm almost sure you've heard EE's war story about chasing an SK over mafia recently, but I don't think I've ever heard a dissenting opinion based on that. I think you're mafia and Hilt is indy, so you should definitely back up why you think he isn't sidelining. I outlined specifically why I think he is sidelining. It's because he isn't committing strongly to anything aside from RR past the point it was obviously going to happen and he never goes against the grain. Seriously, look back and cite examples as to where I'm wrong or explain why that doesn't add up to sidelining to you.
I said that I didn't see a J/July connection. You're both scum reads independent of each other. I wasn't concerned with it. July is more likely to flip scum than you. The only connection I've seen that I would go back and really dig into is J/Tandora.
[/collapse]Why? It hasn't gone in that direction and no one is pushing it in that direction. The accusation could generate discussions on who might be Hilt's scum mates if other people think he's mafia or role discussion based on what kind of indy he is, but none of that is a problem even if the kind of indy discussion doesn't matter much.
Here are his posts after me and TC called him out on his indy callout.
First he becomes defensive and starts becoming what seems to be irrate at me/TC for even trying to call him out on that. He even says "WHY are people calling me out on this?! It's just a STUPID reason to do so." which just seems kiddish.
Second, he gives this huge wall of storytelling to, what seems to be, trying to clear himself based off past experiences and that we shouldn't be pushing him cuz of this. Then he goes off into the end of saying, "Prove me wrong then!" which is just >.> because once again, he's being childish.
Final paragraph, it shows that he is backtracking a bit saying that Hilt now has scum-mates when he just said he called him Indy because he doesn't believe him to be mafia. Also why do we need role discussion so early in the game when there is nothing to even promote role discussion?
I would also like to bring up the hydra in itself because they had been faking a posting restriction this whole game as we have all seen. When they were called out on other things, they maintained this guise. However when they are called out on what could be a legitamate slip, they drop it to go into heavy defensive mood which is odd for that hydra because they love keeping their bravado.
How are her responses null at best? Also, Sang didn't call me out on that but she was actually saying that she thought it was weird that it seemed like I was calling TC scum shallowly because of my JulyTown read. You are correct to say my TC read atm is null-leaning town because I don't necessarily see the scummy intent. She has a scum-pick so she wants attention to be focused around her which is why she keeps bringing convo back onto July. How else do you campaign a lynch? Also the back and forth between the two ladies I just don't see scumminess in it. I just don't haha. No one is agreeing with TC atm but she is still continuing because she believes she is right.@J: It looks to me that you're literally basing your TCAT read on her calling out AM for textbook hunting indies, which anyone could have done. Her responses are null at best. However the majority of her content this game is the July push which she has fallen back on.
I remember Sang saying that it was weird that you still had a town read on her despite acknowledging that you didn't agree on basically the entire thing. I agree, why do you still think tcat is leaning town despite this garbage she is spewing at July.
I think you have her as scum more because you believe tunneling is a legit scum-tell when it is more scenario based. I.E. We have the king of tunneling in this game. Can you give more reasoning as to why this sort of tunneling is scummy?
Could what AM is doing to Hilt be considered tunneling btw? He seems to have come to the realization that Hilt is not mafia. Yet he continues to push him off the fact that there could be an Indy so it must be Hilt.