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How was his reaction a slip? Agreed that there was no reason to bring up indies and its different from how things went in Bebop, but that doesn't mean he slipped by doing so. Gimme details.
Sure, lemme bring up his posts.

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Oh my god, go die.

EXPLAIN to me why, when I believe strongly that I've found an indy, I should leave it alone and go for mafia. That's a STUPID argument that I've had to shoot down before. So go ahead and tell me WHY I should be hunting ANY kind of scum over any other?
Are you KIDDING me? Why do people push this bull****?

I want your comments on why, but I want J's first.
Oh, so if I said that Hilt was scum and left ambiguous that he was indy then it wouldn't have been a problem at all. Only because I pointed out why I thought he was indy over mafia is it a problem? Indy and mafia do different things. Were you in Superheroes where I chased Gheb as SK (I was wrong, he was a weird off-Vig, but w/e)? I'm almost sure you've heard EE's war story about chasing an SK over mafia recently, but I don't think I've ever heard a dissenting opinion based on that. I think you're mafia and Hilt is indy, so you should definitely back up why you think he isn't sidelining. I outlined specifically why I think he is sidelining. It's because he isn't committing strongly to anything aside from RR past the point it was obviously going to happen and he never goes against the grain. Seriously, look back and cite examples as to where I'm wrong or explain why that doesn't add up to sidelining to you.

I said that I didn't see a J/July connection. You're both scum reads independent of each other. I wasn't concerned with it. July is more likely to flip scum than you. The only connection I've seen that I would go back and really dig into is J/Tandora.
Why? It hasn't gone in that direction and no one is pushing it in that direction. The accusation could generate discussions on who might be Hilt's scum mates if other people think he's mafia or role discussion based on what kind of indy he is, but none of that is a problem even if the kind of indy discussion doesn't matter much.
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Here are his posts after me and TC called him out on his indy callout.

First he becomes defensive and starts becoming what seems to be irrate at me/TC for even trying to call him out on that. He even says "WHY are people calling me out on this?! It's just a STUPID reason to do so." which just seems kiddish.

Second, he gives this huge wall of storytelling to, what seems to be, trying to clear himself based off past experiences and that we shouldn't be pushing him cuz of this. Then he goes off into the end of saying, "Prove me wrong then!" which is just >.> because once again, he's being childish.

Final paragraph, it shows that he is backtracking a bit saying that Hilt now has scum-mates when he just said he called him Indy because he doesn't believe him to be mafia. Also why do we need role discussion so early in the game when there is nothing to even promote role discussion?

I would also like to bring up the hydra in itself because they had been faking a posting restriction this whole game as we have all seen. When they were called out on other things, they maintained this guise. However when they are called out on what could be a legitamate slip, they drop it to go into heavy defensive mood which is odd for that hydra because they love keeping their bravado.

@J: It looks to me that you're literally basing your TCAT read on her calling out AM for textbook hunting indies, which anyone could have done. Her responses are null at best. However the majority of her content this game is the July push which she has fallen back on.

I remember Sang saying that it was weird that you still had a town read on her despite acknowledging that you didn't agree on basically the entire thing. I agree, why do you still think tcat is leaning town despite this garbage she is spewing at July.
How are her responses null at best? Also, Sang didn't call me out on that but she was actually saying that she thought it was weird that it seemed like I was calling TC scum shallowly because of my JulyTown read. You are correct to say my TC read atm is null-leaning town because I don't necessarily see the scummy intent. She has a scum-pick so she wants attention to be focused around her which is why she keeps bringing convo back onto July. How else do you campaign a lynch? Also the back and forth between the two ladies I just don't see scumminess in it. I just don't haha. No one is agreeing with TC atm but she is still continuing because she believes she is right.

I think you have her as scum more because you believe tunneling is a legit scum-tell when it is more scenario based. I.E. We have the king of tunneling in this game. Can you give more reasoning as to why this sort of tunneling is scummy?

Could what AM is doing to Hilt be considered tunneling btw? He seems to have come to the realization that Hilt is not mafia. Yet he continues to push him off the fact that there could be an Indy so it must be Hilt.
 

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I find it interesting that J is able to drop everything and make such long winded posts on both tcat and AM yet he continues to dodge answering the question of why his main scum pick, Acrostic, is scummy. His reasoning for not answer it last time was that he was taking a break on mafia but the above post certainly doesn't suggest that he doesn't have time or the drive to give sufficient reasoning for a stance.

If J was so convinced that Acrostic was scum I'd think it'd be pretty easy to rattle off a few points of reasoning when continuously questioned about it.

First he becomes defensive and starts becoming what seems to be irrate at me/TC for even trying to call him out on that. He even says "WHY are people calling me out on this?! It's just a STUPID reason to do so." which just seems kiddish.
You're calling him out for textbook mafia slipping which, from his POV, looks like bull****. Why is this scummy? You don't even explain why it is scummy, you just say its "kiddish" which means god knows what.

Second, he gives this huge wall of storytelling to, what seems to be, trying to clear himself based off past experiences and that we shouldn't be pushing him cuz of this. Then he goes off into the end of saying, "Prove me wrong then!" which is just >.> because once again, he's being childish.
In the process of refuting you he's bringing up past experiences where town players have hunted indies. He's certainly not trying to clear himself off it, he's just refuting your point that only mafia hunt for indies and therefore he must be mafia. If by clearing you mean he's refuting his arguments by bringing up old evidence that suggests you're wrong, then yes that's exactly what he's doing. Why is that scummy? Again, you're not even explaining why this is a slip/scummy, you're saying he's being "childish." Bleck.

Final paragraph, it shows that he is backtracking a bit saying that Hilt now has scum-mates when he just said he called him Indy because he doesn't believe him to be mafia. Also why do we need role discussion so early in the game when there is nothing to even promote role discussion?
He said in his initial post on Hilt that he could be wrong about him being indy. In the post you quoted he put the ideas of Hilt having scummates out there as a suggestion for anyone who thought Hilt was mafia no indy. He's not actually Stating he thinks Hilt has scummates so there is no contradiction there. Why is that scummy?

Sure, we don't need role discussion. But there's nothing wrong with having it if AM thinks they've found indy. This, again, isn't scummy. You've basicaly layed out a network of null tells and then ended the pushes with him being "childish" or "kiddish" without stating why any of these tells imply he slipped.

I would also like to bring up the hydra in itself because they had been faking a posting restriction this whole game as we have all seen. When they were called out on other things, they maintained this guise. However when they are called out on what could be a legitamate slip, they drop it to go into heavy defensive mood which is odd for that hydra because they love keeping their bravado.
If you acknowledge they're maintaining a posting restriction for fun, why do you fault them for it when they drop it? This isn't scummy at all. You and I both know that it is easier to convey points when you're speaking normally and AM would have pushed back against you with reasoning as any alignment.

Really dislike this above stuff from J.
 

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I find it interesting that J is able to drop everything and make such long winded posts on both tcat and AM yet he continues to dodge answering the question of why his main scum pick, Acrostic, is scummy. His reasoning for not answer it last time was that he was taking a break on mafia but the above post certainly doesn't suggest that he doesn't have time or the drive to give sufficient reasoning for a stance.
It could be because I am actually creating a bigger post so my Acro case is more sound. Also don't imply that because I am responding to other things I have forgotten Acro as my strongest scum read. Also I haven't been continuously questioned on it, you just asked me once and then reminded me about it once before.

W.r.t. your last post, most of it is just you asking "Why is this scummy?" when I show why I believe it is scummy in that stuff or you saying things aren't scummy but not telling why in your opinion. You are the one construing what he says as null tells like it's written law that they HAVE to be null-tells. That's only to you, I take them as scum-tells as I've explained quite a few times now.

People take things differently. Now onto that Acro thingy I've been working on.
 

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I just dislike him overall. He starts off pretty town. A little rocky, but he's fine up until:



I dislike it because he assumes we will know when he is serious, and hasn't brought up anything wrt scum teams after that point. Any accusation, even off the top of your head, has to have proof if you're just going to up and post it on the thread. Also, he hasn't really done much up to that point. Most of it was talking about inactives and asking people about how often they're going to post. Again, as with the early thing, he's making extended and overdeveloped excuses and defenses for why he's doing certain things, like making scum team accusations.
I'd disagree. Not everything in thread has to be immediately validated. I agree that he has made plenty of overdeveloped and defensive excuses, though I think that holds consistent with the playstyle he has presented with us thus far and is a null tell. If someone that isn't known to use post long winded responses with florid language did that, I'd take it as a scumtell also.

I also don't like this post because he admits to ignoring JTB, a confirmed town member, because he didn't feel like dealing with him. If you're not scum, why not try to get JTB off your back and try to point people to a real scum pick? Also, he hides behind certain actions of his saying that it's just a playstyle test, like it's going to clear him when he does something scummy.
But don't you think scum would be more aware of this very same thing and thus be sure to not ignore confirmed town JTB's questioning because he might be called out for it? The interaction looks like a frustrated townie who didn't want to bother responding to JTB because the conversation was going in circles because it was. He also remedied this fairly quickly so its not like he wasn't worried about blame being thrown onto himself for it.

He asks people how they normally play, like that's going to make a difference on how he reads somebody. He jumps on the LST wagon after Dad for all the wrong reasons. His reasons are crappy and full of holes.

His first reason is lame. Apply pressure to whomever you want. They will get to it when they actually get here. It might make them get here sooner. The second, up until maybe the last sentence is just digging. Then, he magically unvotes LST because of LST's push on Seikend which, to me, doesn't seem like enough to make somebody think they are town, especially if Acro has as much against them as he says he does. Then, he says that Dad is hiding behind the reason of being a hydra to get out of situations, which basically comes out of nowhere, and he argues why it would take Dad 12 hours to respond to something. Then, again, he randomly votes for RR and even claims to have a null-scum read on him here:
The only thing of weight you have here is his unvote of LST. I don't actually remember this because it was fairly far back in the game, but if you could show me that interaction where he changes his read on LST that would be appreciated. Everything you wrote before that I disagree with. His push on me, though wrong, didn't bother me. It's not something he should have tried to convict us off of because the situation could be interpreted two different ways and he was assuming it was one of them but if it was the other he would have had something of value to go on.

Time meta is always dumb, agreed.

He gave reasoning for his vote on RR.

Although it doesn't really come from nowhere, his changed read on RR does. He claims he doesn't know why J thinks RR is scum even though he himself has a partial scum read on RR. And then, suddenly, out of the blue, he claims that he knows that RR is going to flip town, like he's giving himself an out for later on in the game so that if people claim he voted for RR he could say that he wasn't comfortable with it, he just wanted a lynch.
He doesn't claim he knows RR is flipping town, he says he has a gut feeling he will. Don't twist that. He also said he a head based read that he was scummy but a gut one that he was town which I find completely acceptable. I have feeling similar to that all the time. If anything, him admitting that he has a gut read on Seik vs RR being TvT makes me feel better about him. Scum would try to justify their push by calling their target scum, something Acrostic could have easily gotten away with, but he chose to take the long way around.

I'll skip the later part of D1 because you asked for anything other than the PL vs ML and TvT things so...

Well, I'll sort of skip it. He gave us a list of "bottom-of-the-barrell" scum reads and his reasons were outdated reasons that he had early in the Day, and then he never gave us an updated list even when we asked him to and made about 3 posts freaking out about the deadline and then immediately logged off without giving us reads. Then, he, again, randomly goes back to saying that he'd rather have a lynch on either Dad or July, as well as Seph. I'm assuming that he thinks his previous reasons still stand, but he had cleared those up earlier and take his votes off of those exact people.
This is pretty interesting. Acrostic should respond to this.

His #711 annoys me because he's assuming that what is important to him should be important to others when doing an ISO. In that post, he does not touch on any of my case against him. In fact, he doesn't metion me at all. I'm not sure why but I dislike it. Also, if he can make a list of things that people think he is scummy for, something is wrong. His posts earlier toDay don't really do anything for the town. They are defenses and accusations with no explanations. He had me as town early on and then changed me to null-scum with no reason given, and then he claims that he has a town read on July even though he would have been willing to vote her yesterDay. Then, after he claims V/LA, he immediately jumps on the Indy bandwagon.

Overall I just completely dislike his play and he is my first scumpick.
I'm not sure why you dislike it either. I disagree on the list. There have been games where I've felt that I've been playing badly as town and can list things I've done wrong. Can you show me where these read changes happened? Also I don't remember him jumping on the indy bandwagon. He gives credence to the idea but doesn't board Hilt.
 

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It could be because I am actually creating a bigger post so my Acro case is more sound. Also don't imply that because I am responding to other things I have forgotten Acro as my strongest scum read. Also I haven't been continuously questioned on it, you just asked me once and then reminded me about it once before.
I look forward to this large Acro case.

And I asked you three times.

W.r.t. your last post, most of it is just you asking "Why is this scummy?" when I show why I believe it is scummy in that stuff or you saying things aren't scummy but not telling why in your opinion. You are the one construing what he says as null tells like it's written law that they HAVE to be null-tells. That's only to you, I take them as scum-tells as I've explained quite a few times now.

People take things differently. Now onto that Acro thingy I've been working on.
Bull**** you've shown why it's scummy. I'm not construing anything as null tells, you're listing null tells and then say AM slipped because of them. If you had explained in your own post why they were scummy, I wouldn't have a problem with then.

But you didn't. You ended the paragraphs by calling them "kiddish" and "childish" posts which isn't explaining why they're scummy nor is it relating them back to your original point which was that AM slipped in his response.
 

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Here is a short summary as to why I believe Acro is scum.

I extremely dislike him as of late because he is doing quite a lot of IIoA. He doesn't really do much of anything by himself. he has yet to actually push a scum-candidate of his for actual reasoning and his reasoning for his votes is purely transparent.

Let's look at his voting(not starting with the JTB fiasco), he at first votes Seik for lurking at the beginning of the day when no one had posted yet really at all. Then he doesn't do anything with that vote. He then moves his vote to follow Dad onto LST(now July) and says he agrees to the rationale of why July is scum. However he sprinkles a little reasoning onto why he is voting them but overall, it's weaker than the first substantial reason. (common trend with him)

Then he comes back in a long time later and unvotes LST because he is pushing Seik and therefore likes him more. Then he does some answering questions and comes back with some very very bad/twisting reasoning on why Dad is scum which is where my initial FoS came from.

Next thing he does is join my RR wagon because he said his reasoning is that he believed RR is scum with a very small justification as to why. Shortly though he changes his tune to say, "Oh nvm, I feel RR is town but gonna vote him anyways cuz lalala." which is just :glare: It is incredibly anti-town to vote anyone you have an inkling may be town and I stand by that firmly. Plus look who flipped town and look at the person who was voting him but calling him town to just go with the bandwagon.

The next instance I dislike from him is his "bottom of the barrel scum-reads". For one, they are outdated as hell. Two, the reasoning behind each of them is weaker then the next. He names 6 people as his scum-picks/good to lynch but has never once PUSHED any of these.

Something that annoyed me that is scummy is that because he mixed up the deadline, he decided to unvote RR and not do anything else until the clock dwindled down to about deadline where JTB had to tell him to vote 30 minutes before the deadline. His reasoning for said unvote is horrible because he bases it off the genuineness of a post that literally anyone could have said if they read the votes wrong. He then comes back to say that RR is not scum because he apparantly has no partners when that reasoning was just WIFOM in itself.

That's D1 pretty much.

D2 he hasn't done anything at all that can be remembered of him besides his jump on, onto the HiltIndy train of thought right after AM introduced that into the game. He made a bunch of promises yesterDay that he was going to look into Dad|July|Sang but he hasn't done anything but in fact has been coasting throughout ever since Dad exploded with activity as of late pretty much.

His voting record sucks.
His reasoning for his votes stinks just as bad.
He hasn't been scum-hunting.
He's become background noise now that the attention is shown somewhere else.

Overall, there is no one scummier then him in this game for me as of this point.

Something that needs to be explained is why people are not paying attention at all to Acro anymore now that people like TC/Hilt/Sang are being thrown around for a possible lynch. People seriously need to unforget him.

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Sang, you said you were wavering with your vote on him, if you want him dead and he is your strongest scum-pick why is your vote not on him with only 2 days left till deadline? You are cautious with your vote but not this cautious if you have such a strong scum-read.

TC, July is not looking like a lynch candidate at all toDay, would you lynch Acro with us? Why or why not?

Dad, you have refrained from mentioning your opinion of Acro as of late while asking for people to comment on him, your personal opinion on him based on what you have read. Going over it, it seems one side of you had a pretty strong scum-erad on that slot, what happened to it and why?

Anyone not voting someone or voting someone with one vote, will you vote Acro, why/why not? The why not better have some damn good reasoning behind why you believe someone else is scummier or why he is townier then another scum-pick.
 

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@Mod: Request Prod of JTB and anyone else who needs it.

Dad, why did you tell Sang to not include the PL/ML fiasco? What is the reasoning for not having that in her analysis if she finds it to be scummy?

Also there you go again. You even say, "You're listing null tells and saying AM is scummy for them." Implying that what I think is scummy is actually null. Which is your opinion on them being null and acting like that is the law I must follow when it's not. There is no black and white and there is a gray area to things Kuzi.

I did explain where I feel AM is scummy and so did TC actually, but you continue to beat the point to death as if we hadn't. Point out specifically which point you want clarified from both of us one last time.
 

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July/Sang, you two seem to agree with me on AcroScum. I have a few questions for the two of you.

July, what do you think of Sang's/My case on Acro? Which points to you agree/disagree to? Is it strong or is it weak?
Sang, what do you think of July's/My case on Acro? Which points to you agree/disagree to? Is it strong or is it weak?

Tandora, back up your AcroTown please. Why do you have that opinion of him because that is a read I just cannot fathom at this time? Can you also give me an updated opinion of Dad based on our little back and forth since you had him as null? Would you agree to the fact that he is leaning-scum berating bad points? OR would you agree to the fact that he is leaning town and following what he believes is right?

Next post is dedicated to my duder Acro. :chuckle:
 

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Dad, you have refrained from mentioning your opinion of Acro as of late while asking for people to comment on him, your personal opinion on him based on what you have read. Going over it, it seems one side of you had a pretty strong scum-erad on that slot, what happened to it and why?
Pretty sure I've mentioned plenty of times that Acrostic is town and that he isn't getting lynched toDay.

If you mean Soup's vote at the beginning of the day, bring it up with him.

Dad, why did you tell Sang to not include the PL/ML fiasco? What is the reasoning for not having that in her analysis if she finds it to be scummy?
Because it's not scummy and you and Sang have majorly blown that interaction up to be the driving force behind your push. I wanted to see if there was anything else to the wagon other than that.

Also there you go again. You even say, "You're listing null tells and saying AM is scummy for them." Implying that what I think is scummy is actually null. Which is your opinion on them being null and acting like that is the law I must follow when it's not. There is no black and white and there is a gray area to things Kuzi.
Stop *****footing around my accusations. I'm not implying what you think is scummy is actually null. I'm stating what you say as scummy isn't actually scummy.

By those points in the first place I'd be blind to not see you're implying they're scummy. I get that. I'm asking you to back up why you think they are scummy because you havn't explained why they are yourself.

And don't bother with "I subjectively think those points are scummy and therefore they are." Bull****. If you think something is scummy you should be able to explain why scum would have a motive to do it. If you can't, you're points have zero merit.

I did explain where I feel AM is scummy and so did TC actually, but you continue to beat the point to death as if we hadn't. Point out specifically which point you want clarified from both of us one last time.
Its pretty obvious by this push that I don't think you've sufficiently explained why AM is scummy. In my 962 I specifically ask the question "why is this scummy" so a good place to start would be to back up all your points that I questioned in that post.
 

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Acro, this is a post that I have quite the list of questions for you so I am gonna collapse them since it can get a bit lengthy with your replys.

[collapse=Questions~]Tell me your number 1 scum-pick as of now?

Why are they your number 1 scum-pick?

Talk to me about how HiltIndy makes more sense then MafiaHilt in your mind. Why do you not see TownHilt?

Tanny, what is your read on her based on most of her interactions which have been mainly revolved around Dad/Myself? I want a firm stance as to whether she is more town or more scum from you. What did you think of her AM vote and what do you currently think of her Hilt vote when HiltIndy was brought to the table?

Dad, you had him as a scum-read but what happened to that now? Do you like his interactions with the players so far? Do you believe you can read when it is your old IC posting and if he is playing similar to the way you had played against him before? You need to outline why you do not like this slot because at the current time I do not agree to DadScum like at all. Convince me why I should be voting him.

July, now why should I be looking at July. You seem to have a looming suspicion of her but once again, not seeing it. Do you agree with TC's case no July? If not, which points would you add to her case to make it stronger? Which points would you take away to make is not as weak? What do you think of her based on her arguments with TC?

Sang, you have yet to say why you dislike Sang besides meta w.r.t. Newbie 13. This is actually a read I could agree to, being that I think she is scummy as well. I want an outline as well with reasonings backed up by quotes as to why we should lynch her over you because at the current time, that is the only lynch option I am looking at that I would like over you. So why should I vote her over you? What originally triggered the ScumSang train of thought for you?

AM, you have refrained from giving a firm opinon on that slot and I would like one. Is their push on Hilt a good one? Do you think they are scum-hunting? What do you think of the reaction to TC/Myself calling what he did a scum-slip? Is it a scum-slip to you or is it more centered around a null-tell like Dad has it?

Hilt, I want your own opinon as to why you have Hilt as a scum-read. Did AM's post really swing you that much or do you have past reasons as to why he should be voted?

Give me a name of someone you sort of trust this game. Why are they trustable to you? Do you think others should trust them/listen to them a bit more. Do not say JTB as the obvchoice.

Then I would like your second strongest scum-read please.[/collapse]

Alright that should be it for me for now till I get answers but people need to stop forgetting Acro and focus more on him.

We have about 48 hours till deadline and we need to start deciding on a lynch, who goes and why? I say Acro. Why is obvious at this point.
 

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Dad, have you made up your mind between which one of TC/Sang you want lynched toDay? I want to see where your head is at with as little time as we have left. Is your scum-read on Hilt stronger now then the other two and would you be joining AM with that vote?
 

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I changed my mind on Sang. She's town.

I want Tcat or you dead over everyone else. Hilt is still my third pick if I can't have either of you. Still waiting on people to get back and answer my questions in the first and second catchup posts before I decided where I'm going. Probably going to be traveling cat.
 

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Also I need to talk to Soup about it but I think I found a scumslip from July in her most recent post. Its actually pretty glaring when you know you're looking for it but I need to see what Soup thinks. Even though I've liked with most of July's counter push against Tcat there are some pretty strange inconsistencies that I keep finding that suggest otherwise.

Starting to consider the possibility that tcat vs july may be scum vs scum. With the amount of actual content being argued back and forth, there isn't enough meat behind it to sustain the discussion for this long. It'll be interesting to see where this develops too.
 

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Sang, you said you were wavering with your vote on him...
Haha no I didn't.

J said:
...if you want him dead and he is your strongest scum-pick why is your vote not on him with only 2 days left till deadline? You are cautious with your vote but not this cautious if you have such a strong scum-read
I've told you this before. I'm waiting for him to get back. If he's not back by Wednesday morning I will vote him. Other wise I'm waiting. And I said that before.
 

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Could what AM is doing to Hilt be considered tunneling btw? He seems to have come to the realization that Hilt is not mafia. Yet he continues to push him off the fact that there could be an Indy so it must be Hilt.
Can you read? That's not what AM is saying at all. He specifically said that he thinks Hilt is scum and is indy but could be wrong and Hilt could be mafia. He implied that during his re-read he just couldn't see scummates for Hilt but still thought he was scum and thus is indy. This isn't saying "there could be an indy, so it must be hilt" at all.

Also Hilt isn't AM's only source of content this game. Ever since tcat replaced in she has been focusing on July non-stop while AM has given his focus to multiple areas.

Besides knowing that she thinks July is scum, I pretty much know nothing about Tcat's reads. She only disclosed that she actually though AM was scummy (even after commenting on the AM vs Hilt thing) after I specifically asked her about it. Even then she still didn't want to take a hard stance, saying that she was inclined to think he mafia slipped but that it wasn't a definite possibility.

When you asked her before about her second scumpick she refrained from answering and has still not answered the question when I asked her about it later.

So no, I would not make the comparison that AM is tunneling akin to tcat. It's pretty obvious tcat is while AM is not.
 

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This is my last out of character post, apologies to Gheb, but I've just gotten off the phone with Alex and I'm cutting grass. Making this post from my iPod while still outside.

We've talked about our respective issues and accessibility problems and think we can continue to function as Aggressive Mediation through it all seeing as that is the most entertaining way for us to play and the only way either of us will continue. We'll be giving it a shot and DO want to play, but would like you to have a replacement on hand in case either of us are wrong and can't continue to play.

To the players, I promise a real post as soon as possible. We want it to be a full case on Hilt as that is the way we still want to swing the lynch despite having a fair idea of what's going on and agreeing, I think completely with what Dad has to say with regards to J and TCat. Expect it to be up at least by tomorrow night, but no earlier than laaaaaate tonight. I have to have a meeting to solve the riddle of the Alabama PR and that will take priority. If I don't show, Alex is supposed to make it and send it to me to check, so it should get done soon even if we don't get to everything else.

I hate this situation in pretty much all my games so enjoy this moment of weakness and self loathing before egotistical, confident, aloof, jack*** Ryker gets back from vacation.

Wow, that took way too long.

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Acrostic | J, July | 2 / 7
July |Traveling Cat | 1 / 7
Hilt | Aggressive Mediation, Panta, Tandora | 3 / 7

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Not Voting: Nicholas1024, JTB, Hilt, Acrostic, SangfroidWarrior, Dad;

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Why don't you vote him then? Hilt is trying to cast suspicion on arguably the most antitown of players so far (me).

When he first came into the game and wagoned onto me I thought it was scummy, but his explanation calmed my fears mostly. However, his play has deteoriated and it seems lime he is only acting when people put suspicion onto him. He is acting reactive rather than proactive which I feel is mafia way of playing.

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Vote: Hilt


Interesting that Aggressive attached Serial Killer to Hilt.

AM, why, other than Meta, do you feel Hilt is Serial Killer/independent?

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..What? This post makes little sense at all. I deteriorated to this? I've been playing this way the whole time, guy. I always do XD And when you first said you were "feeling better" about me, my activity was no better than it has been lately. It was before I jumped on Ryu that you said that, if I must remind you. So if you were fine about me then, why place votes on me now solely because of this? Because you and I are two of the most possible lynch candidates?
I don't see that as a PL; his push on inactives was scummy because he wanted to PL them, but that was only the tip of the iceberg. He also devoted a lot of time to defending himself rather than scumhunting, and as you said his erratic voting behavior. So I'm still unsure of if you voted RR to complete the wagon, or because he was scummy.
I really like this paragraph.
@Hilt: Thoughts on TCAT vs July. Also your thoughts on what Panta just said when he boarded your wagon.
I will respond to this fully after rereading the arguments between them. I do feel like the case was initially taken the wrong way, though. Others took it as a "July isn't doing anything and that's why she should die" kind of case, when it's not. It's an "LST/July is making promises that are not being kept, and putting things off constantly", which is a completely different type of case. But it really felt that others blew off the case in the same way that you would blow off a "lack of giving content" type of case, and that bothered me.

And I really didn't like this paragraph, which was July's first part of the response to TC:
A lot of this is just stating what LST has done, and not really providing much behind it except highlighting that LST wasn't really active D1; the points bolded are just shots at our activity.
If any of you remember, and I think this was already brought up, but LST had a big thing going about how they didn't want their two heads differentiated. Gord was LST, July was LST, LST was Gord and July. But the way July opened this statement really bothered me with the "A lot of this is just stating what LST has done" comment. That wasn't needed and served nothing. Why was this statement added? It's as if July is trying to put what LST did behind, similar to how one would when replacing in for a scummy player. I'm sure many of us have seen the common "don't put blame on me because of what ____ did". The difference in this situation is that LST is July. And while July didn't outright come out and say this, it really felt like it was implied and was the first thing that came to mind when reading it.
 

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Vote: Traveling Cat

Already explained my reasoning many times in thread. Starting to not really like July either the more I read but tcat is definitely the scummier in the interaction.

Was going to wait until everyone had answered my questions before deciding but inactivity is literally going to eat this game alive and no one has bothered to keep up with it. Tcat lynch is plausible and can happen within 48 hours and honestly tcat is by far the scummiest player alive toDay. The case on Acrostic has so many holes and we really don't have that much to go on with Hilt except the sidelining and joining popular wagons. Tcat is a much better option and upon her scumflip July and J are next. Those are shaping up to be my three scumpicks.

Lets go people.

Of the wagons formed I would be grudgingly willing to join Hilt's if there is no other alternative. I am not joining Acrostic's.
 

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The only thing that reeks here is you jumping on a tunneling case and calling it scummy without actually saying why. 'Tunneling', 'garbage', 'shallow', those are the only things you've used to describe it.

Tunneling? Yes, I've been intent on getting July lynched since the beginning. No denying that.

Garbage? How about you actually point out what is wrong with my reasons instead of just throwing out the whole case with one word. All you're doing is setting up a negative opinion of me before you point out what is wrong, let alone scummy.

Shallow? You wound me. You're assuming that just because I haven't been completely open with my reasons and going in-depth behind everything, I have nothing worth taking seriously.

There's not much else I can push on July without going in circles. It would have been nice to see her post more than 1 post every 3 days so it wouldn't have been dragged out so long (seriously, our push and counterpush against each other consists of 3 posts each. Is that really so much to be considered too much? >_>). Anyway, the deadline is fast approaching.

July is the one who first looking scummy to me, and I haven't seen any reason to see her as town and withdraw my initial read of her. I keep drawing attention back to her because for a player who's been flying under the radar the whole game, it would be easy for the pressure against her to drop and be forgotten the moment people wandered elsewhere. Now if someone had brought a solid case against another player, I would have let July slide for a while to see how far the new case would go. I wasn't not so focused on her that I would ignore any new cases brought to the table.

The only one that came though was Hilt's case by AM. However, he only brought up Indy as a reason for lynching Hilt, to which I stated I wasn't going to vote with. Without any evidence of an Indy, it would just be a wild goose chase, IMO. J & I then called it out as a mafia-slip, putting pressure on him and getting his reaction. He also stated in his post that he was going to bring up evidence against Hilt, but didn't actually mention in that post what was it was about Hilt that looked scummy, let alone Indy. He just pushed the word Indy. And only Indy. He ended saying he was going to get the evidence, then he follows with a post saying he can't really go in-depth. Had he pushed the Indy less and actually brought up evidence showing how Hilt was scummy, I wouldn't have pushed attention back to July and would have seen how far the Hilt case would have gone.

It looked like a half-baked attempt to change the town's attention with nothing strong behind it other than Indy. I would further say that given how he agreed to my case but gave no word or vote to support it, he may have been a scummate of July trying to turn attention off her case without attacking it. But until I actually see a JulyScum flip, it's just speculation on my part and nothing solid.

I didn't see the reason for his strong reaction against J & I for a 'standard mafia viewpoint'. If his case had more than backing than being a possible Indy, I don't see how he couldn't have just brushed it off and pushed the scummy points as proof. I didn't push him for the slip, because it was just that. A possible mafia-slip. I know what a tough cookie AM is. I'd need more than a possible mafia slip to put pressure on him, let alone a lynch.

Players & Reads
J - while being too stubborn for his own good and not supporting a July lynch, has been leaning town. We've been hitting the same wavelength on other things, it's hard for me not to read him this way, tbh.

Dad - Was initially thinking town for him for being the firs to attack how much I focused on July. But leaning scum the way he keeps posting how my posts are garbage without actually saying why. And nothing he said states what is wrong with my reasons on July. He says they are shallow and standard, like it's too simple to be consider and should be ignored. He's also paying waaaaay too much attention into others opinion of AM's possible slip. He says it wasn't a slip, argues against J and me for say it was (and J has repeatedly said why to Dad's dissatisfaction), and doesn't argue with players who say it wasn't a mafia slip when asked. He's forcing public opinion this way into saying it wasn't a slip. Is AM's "possible slip" such a big concern to warrant this much pressure on everyone else???

AM - I stated my opinions above.

July - Still my first and strongest scum read. But nobody wants to support, aside from 1 guy who went after an Indy instead. :(

Acro - He posted at the beginning of D2, but when I posted my wall, dropped off the map. He posted no opinion toward July's case, but eagerly jumped on the Indy Hilt for what would be mostly speculation discussion and his other major post was defending against to July's attack. I've see nothing giving me a townie read on Acro and I like J's #967. Do support. Vote: Acro

Sang - Why has Sang been listed as a lynch candidiate toDay? No seriously, I've been trying to find a post that stating why compared to me, Acro & July and haven't found it.

Everyone else - Hanging in the background or barely here at all. Stated their opinions on matters, but no real push on anyone that stands out. Largely null atm.

Also I need to talk to Soup about it but I think I found a scumslip from July in her most recent post. Its actually pretty glaring when you know you're looking for it but I need to see what Soup thinks. Even though I've liked with most of July's counter push against Tcat there are some pretty strange inconsistencies that I keep finding that suggest otherwise.

Starting to consider the possibility that tcat vs july may be scum vs scum. With the amount of actual content being argued back and forth, there isn't enough meat behind it to sustain the discussion for this long. It'll be interesting to see where this develops too.
I do not want to hear you talk about me tunneling anymore. Seriously, for all the hot air you've spouted on me without backing it up, the moment you see a chance of July being scum, your first thought is they both might be scum??? That is tunneling in the worst form.
 

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Oh boy here we go.

tcat said:
Dad - Was initially thinking town for him for being the firs to attack how much I focused on July. But leaning scum the way he keeps posting how my posts are garbage without actually saying why. And nothing he said states what is wrong with my reasons on July. He says they are shallow and standard, like it's too simple to be consider and should be ignored. He's also paying waaaaay too much attention into others opinion of AM's possible slip. He says it wasn't a slip, argues against J and me for say it was (and J has repeatedly said why to Dad's dissatisfaction), and doesn't argue with players who say it wasn't a mafia slip when asked. He's forcing public opinion this way into saying it wasn't a slip. Is AM's "possible slip" such a big concern to warrant this much pressure on everyone else???
Not surprising, seeing at I'm trying to lynch you. I feel like someone said that before...oh wait it was you when July said she had a scum read on you.

Didn't I say before that I wanted to see how the interaction played out before interjecting what I didn't like about it? But if you really want to know so badly I'll rattle off what I remember from the top of my head.

I've already stated multiple times that I agree with July's counter push on you which has said exactly what needs to be said. The first post on her literally focused on all her posting saying she was inactive and then used 3 different ways to call her on that while, at the same time, the entire game was being inactive. Saying things like "and then she promised she would be giving content in her next post...but look! She never did" which filled about half of your case. You selectively quoted LST quotes that had little substance in them and used it to say the slot on a whole hadn't contributed any content, which was simply untrue which July proved by going back and quoting places for you where she did scum hunt. You then called her RR voted opportunistic and said her boarding went against her previous stances while it was pretty obvious she was voting RR to avoid a NL which she subsequently quoted for you and disproved.

But that was only the first post!

I could keep going if you want but don't expect me to paraphrase everything dumb you've done within the push.

I'm very concerned with people's reactions to AM's push because its a textbook example of people not looking at intent behind posts rather than looking at the posts themselves. If you came out of that interaction with an actual scumread on AM you're either dumb or scum and honestly don't know what intent it. I've analyzed each person's stance and their reasoning for holding it and I pretty much only somewhat agree with Tandora's. I've already commented on what was insufficient about J's post and he still has yet to respond to my most recent points. The reason I didn't comment on it immediately was that I wanted to see everyone's unbiased reaction before I put my two cents in, which I am doing now.

I'm not forcing any public opinion. I'm questioning people's reasoning for having AM as scum and arguing them down if I feel their reasoning for it is bad.

tcat said:
Acro - He posted at the beginning of D2, but when I posted my wall, dropped off the map. He posted no opinion toward July's case, but eagerly jumped on the Indy Hilt for what would be mostly speculation discussion and his other major post was defending against to July's attack. I've see nothing giving me a townie read on Acro and I like J's #967. Do support. Vote: Acro
So after all the tunneling you've done and your statement that July is still your biggest scumread by far you just drop the push on her and switch over to the acrostic bandwagon with this reasoning? I don't think I've seen you mention Acrostic once before this and now you're ready to change bandwagons as soon as I start pressuring you on it. This doesn't look opportunistic at all...oh wait, it is.

tcat said:
I do not want to hear you talk about me tunneling anymore. Seriously, for all the hot air you've spouted on me without backing it up, the moment you see a chance of July being scum, your first thought is they both might be scum??? That is tunneling in the worst form.
What are you talking about? I've had you as scum for a pretty long time before I announced it in thread starting with your tunnely garbage and then your though process regarding AM. It's opportunistic and its garbage. I've read the entire interaction twice and tbh I don't really like both sides of it. There's not enough substance behind the push to warrant such a drawn out interaction and it looks forged. Why are you trying to frame it as "the first chance I got" as well. My reads have changed significantly throughout the day and I only started to notice you two standing out on my second read. How is this tunneling at all?
 

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Like she has walled July with accusations for 6 or 7 posts now while this has been the only thing she has said about Acrostic's alignment before her 982:

tcat said:
Acro, I've been cross with just for saying the previous lynch was likely TvT, but I honestly haven't taken a good look at either to say which way they lean.
But now, despite her previous tunneling and conviction, her vote is now on Acrostic over her biggest scum pick, July, and another scum pick, AM, who she is inclined to think mafia slipped.

It just so happens Acrostic is the biggest bandwagon and isn't here at the moment to defend himself 48 hours until deadline.

Jesus why are we not lynching her?
 

#HBC | J

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I find this ironically hysterical w.r.t. Dad. Perfect song for what I think is going one in this Dad vs. TC. Dad's mean! (though I feel this could go for both sides a lot of games. :rolleyes:)

Anyways, silliness aside I need to get some responses up but just finished playing about 6-7 hours of video games and now I'm just lethargic haha. Sooo I may do stuff, may not.
 

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I don't see how I'm being mean at all. This is probably one of the tamer games I've been lately. Just pinning scum.

And if you acknowledge I'm normally mean how does that make this ironic?

And both sides? You've played with tcat before?
 

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Nooooo you didn't listen to it completely. It's the lyrics, not the name of the song. :facepalm:

Also both sides being Soupa/Kuzi I could see posting this song alot for.

I feel I am gonna have to explain this a bit more. ._.
 

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July/Sang, you two seem to agree with me on AcroScum. I have a few questions for the two of you.

July, what do you think of Sang's/My case on Acro? Which points to you agree/disagree to? Is it strong or is it weak?
Sang, what do you think of July's/My case on Acro? Which points to you agree/disagree to? Is it strong or is it weak?
Sang's case: I really agree with her first point, not specifically in reference to Acrostic's #92 but in his overall play he has definitely been making extended and overdeveloped excuses and defenses for why he's doing certain things, and right after this post I think that becomes even more significant as his #96-98 just launch self-defense mode, overexplaining this and getting really aggressive about an FoS on him. The point on Acrostic ignoring JTB I'm torn on, I agree that he handled it wrong but I'm not sure if him trying to get JTB off his back would have been any better, I think it's the point that he ignored JTB but then didn't refocus and look for scum or push his own scum pick, which was the most important thing he should have been doing, not getting frustrated by JTB's read on him. The next point, their vote on me, I really didn't read into all that much at the time but I like that Sang pointed out that he made a comment about Iggy claiming he will be a "non-presence" so pressuring him isn't neccesary...that's terrible logic, even if he said that he wouldn't post much he is part of the player list and as such we expect him to post eventually, answer questions and get a read on him. The next part of her case I think is really important and I'm glad she didn't skip over is where he gives us his "bottom of the barrel" reads, which he just kinda wings his way through as a way to distract from the RR wagon. Honestly idk what his plan was wrt the RR wagon, and I don't think he did either and his attempt at scum picks instead of RR shows that. Overall I think its a good case because Sang looks at a lot of things that I didn't notice or takes a different perspective on it which makes sense and I can agree with.

J's case: I agree with your analysis of Acrostic's voting, in that he just kinda hops around D1 with very little reasoning for each vote, or weak reasoning when he has any. I would like to add that he also did nothing to push those reads as well, he would sit on them for a while and then hop off when someone he could easily toss some suspicion on came along, but his votes didn't really exert pressure (which is ironically something he got on me about for our Ignatius vote). And then toDay, Acrostic has no votes at all and only people he wants to look into but once again no pressure on those people. Agreed that his stance on RR was sketchy and that was one of the main points in my case against Acrostic. The last point about D1 I disagree with, while I don't like that he kept his vote off of RR for so long so close to the deadline, him mixing up the deadline was null to me and he did eventually put the vote on RR to complete the wagon so that worked out. I take more issue with his flip-flopping read on RR throughout the Day more than his unvote and then revote of RR near the deadline. Your assessment of his play toDay, like Sang's, is spot on that he's jumped on Hilt and stayed out of the limelight because other people have been heavier targets. Overall it's a good case, there was only one point I really felt was weak but the entire case feels genuine to me.

Also I need to talk to Soup about it but I think I found a scumslip from July in her most recent post. Its actually pretty glaring when you know you're looking for it but I need to see what Soup thinks. Even though I've liked with most of July's counter push against Tcat there are some pretty strange inconsistencies that I keep finding that suggest otherwise.

Starting to consider the possibility that tcat vs july may be scum vs scum. With the amount of actual content being argued back and forth, there isn't enough meat behind it to sustain the discussion for this long. It'll be interesting to see where this develops too.
This whole post is very cryptic, you really explain nothing after throwing out some pretty strong accusations about finding a supposed "scum slip" and some "pretty strange inconsistencies" and then you end in an accusation that TCat v myself is scum v. scum? There is literally no way you actually believe that, you have watched and commentated on TCat v. myself and not once did you ever insinuate that our conflict could be S v. S until now where it comes literally from nowhere.

However, I do agree with you that I'm really done with the back and forth with TCat over her original case, I've explained everything she wanted and pointed out the flaws in it and why it is opportunistic but my top scum pick is Acrostic and with the deadline approaching the case against him is more important atm.

And I really didn't like this paragraph, which was July's first part of the response to TC:If any of you remember, and I think this was already brought up, but LST had a big thing going about how they didn't want their two heads differentiated. Gord was LST, July was LST, LST was Gord and July. But the way July opened this statement really bothered me with the "A lot of this is just stating what LST has done" comment. That wasn't needed and served nothing. Why was this statement added? It's as if July is trying to put what LST did behind, similar to how one would when replacing in for a scummy player. I'm sure many of us have seen the common "don't put blame on me because of what ____ did". The difference in this situation is that LST is July. And while July didn't outright come out and say this, it really felt like it was implied and was the first thing that came to mind when reading it.
That statement was really getting at two things. First, that TC really didn't provide reasons for why my action's were scummy, it felt a lot more like she was giving a play by play of my activity covered with the blanket excuse of it being scummy because I was inactive and as she thought that I was buying my time, which I've also addressed because that is not the case. And actually the opposite of what you say here was my intention: I was making a point that she focuses only on what LST did and I don't feel like she treated LST and July equally and still doesn't, she hit hard on the LST posts but only mentioned my solo posts and has tried to sweep those posts under the carpet. I had no problem with her asking about LST's posts because I can and have explained her issues with them, but I feel like she disregarded my solo actions in her case in favor of just looking at just the LST era posts instead.
 

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Voted | Voter(s) | Votes/Lynch
Acrostic | J, July, traveling cat | 3 / 7
Hilt | Aggressive Mediation, Panta, Tandora | 3 / 7
traveling cat | Dad |1 / 7

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Not Voting: Nicholas1024, JTB, Hilt, Acrostic, SangfroidWarrior;

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I'll do a quick readthrough later today

I apologize for my lack of activity toDay, I'll definitely be more active toMorrow.
 

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That statement was really getting at two things. First, that TC really didn't provide reasons for why my action's were scummy, it felt a lot more like she was giving a play by play of my activity covered with the blanket excuse of it being scummy because I was inactive and as she thought that I was buying my time, which I've also addressed because that is not the case. And actually the opposite of what you say here was my intention: I was making a point that she focuses only on what LST did and I don't feel like she treated LST and July equally and still doesn't, she hit hard on the LST posts but only mentioned my solo posts and has tried to sweep those posts under the carpet. I had no problem with her asking about LST's posts because I can and have explained her issues with them, but I feel like she disregarded my solo actions in her case in favor of just looking at just the LST era posts instead.
Fair enough. I don't really... agree with your mindset on it, or the way you approached it, but I don't necessarily find you scummy because of it.

I've read TCat's case a second time, and while I think it's a bit of a stretch, I don't find her scummy because of it. It feels to me like she did her research on a player that she already had set in her mind to be scummy, and, yeah, tunneled a bit. But rather than the type of tunneling that exaggerates what someone does to look scummy, it was more of a umm.. propaganda type case.

I'd be much more interested in Panta pushed right now. I also think it's a bit funny that AM's still not come back with him Indy case on me. Hopefully he doesn't forget to give it when he returns.

Also Tan, umm... just to let you know, there are two days left. And your vote is sitting on me. And you've done nothing to push for my lynch since it's been there, or even prior to it being there. Nobody else is pushing for my lynch, other than Panta telling you to. Why is your vote still sitting on me? Need a place for it to stay until the day's over? Hoping the lynch takes off without you having to do much? All you've said to push for my lynch is that you think AM... might be on the right track. That he's nailed Indy. Yet you think he's scum... yeah...

Before I decide which wagon I'm most willing to go along with for today's lynch, I'd like to see who would be up for a panta wagon? As I said earlier in the day, Panta made it a habit D2 of poking at players without actually calling them out for anything. He's played as safe as possible, not committing or putting himself in a position to get attacked back. Not so much like he's cautious, it more so feels like he's scared.

The one time today that he did call someone scum, was when he said that he felt Dad was scum. He said he'd give his reasoning later in the day phase for it, but instead of going onto him, he put a vote on me for almost no reason at all and disappeared again.

Vote: Panta

Call it an omgus if you want. Already been accused of it once today for an FoS I didn't make, lol. Nobody really seems to know what an omgus is anymore anyways.
 

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I don't think anyone I've seen really supports the Panta wagon.

A few people say they have him on the back burner but I don't think you'll get enough support for him in 36 hours.

What do you think of tcat's wagon switch now despite her propaganda style July push? Not that I really understand what you're trying to convey there, but tunneling is tunneling. And I definitely think her tunneling is the exaggerating points to look scummy type. The entire first half of her first push brought together all of LST's inactivity posts and laid a groundwork of tells that not only ignored the content she did contribute, but was used to knee jerk a scummy vibe that could literally have been explained as "prod dodging."
 

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Like she has walled July with accusations for 6 or 7 posts now while this has been the only thing she has said about Acrostic's alignment before her 982:?
1 - #806, 2 - #852, 3 - #944... Where's the 3-4 other walls of accusations? You're exaggerating things.

Also, the fact that you found my mention of Acro after throwing out the accusation that I haven't shows how much you're not doing you're research and just throwing whatever comes off the top of your head.
 

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You accused me of not giving reasoning for why your push on July was bad and I promptly did so in my next post. You said I was twisting public opinion with AM's slip so I promptly showed you why I wasn't in my next post. You said I was calling you and July scum at the first opportunity I received and was opportunistically trying to push you both as scum to which I promptly answered in my next post.

1 - #806, 2 - #852, 3 - #944... Where's the 3-4 other walls of accusations? You're exaggerating things.

Also, the fact that you found my mention of Acro after throwing out the accusation that I haven't shows how much you're not doing you're research and just throwing whatever comes off the top of your head.
This is all you have to say in response to the information I've pushed back at you? A jab that my numbers were a bit exaggerated? I'm disappointed.

And don't even try to say I haven't done my research because I've probably read this thread twice the amount you have, if not more. It amuses me that you're trying to call me out on not researching my facts when pretty much the only thing in my last few posts that was off was your number of interactions with Acrostic. I even said in my first post that "I don't think she has mentioned Acrostic once before" at which point I went back and checked how many times you did mention him, which was once.

Don't bother trying to dismiss my entire argument as not credible because of an offhand comment that I later fact checked.
 

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July said:
This whole post is very cryptic, you really explain nothing after throwing out some pretty strong accusations about finding a supposed "scum slip" and some "pretty strange inconsistencies" and then you end in an accusation that TCat v myself is scum v. scum? There is literally no way you actually believe that, you have watched and commentated on TCat v. myself and not once did you ever insinuate that our conflict could be S v. S until now where it comes literally from nowhere.
There is literally no way I can believe that? O_o

Sorry to break it to you, but that's what I'm beginning to hinge on right now and a tcat scum flip will only help support that accusation.
 
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