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[Aggressive Mediation]

His play had positives and negatives. The integer remains leaning scum. However, there is another variable I'd much rather solve for. That would be Hilt, but I'll show my work when I get to the problem.

Zetta slow on my part.

 

[Panta]

His play had positives and negatives. The integer remains leaning scum. However, there is another variable I'd much rather solve for. That would be Hilt, but I'll show my work when I get to the problem.

You are AggressiveMediation?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ugh, I've been trying to catch up ever since I came home on Sunday. Got to about page 13, but unfortunately I either forgot to save my notes for the game or misplaced them, so I might have to start over again.

I do remember that I don't like Aggressive Mediation at all. Feel his posts aren't helpful with his rambling about 1+1 and the rapper style. That playerslot should be taking a leader role if it truly is town, but from what I saw was mostly lurky with bursts of fluff posts.

VOTE AGGRESSIVE MEDIATION

This post is garbage.

CRUNCH

I'll add it to the heap.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Tandora, show me the proof for your July equation.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I like her. Though I want more like substance however need to wait till she can do a full "intro" post.

How can you factor a variable when you haven't even read the entire problem?

Tandora, do you feel J is just using Guess & Check here?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

There is a literal nothing from your slot and I did ask TC something but I must wait for her to respond. Plus I had already hit up Sang for a bit and same with July. So now it's yours and TC's turn.

Now this work is looking better. I agree that Tandora needs to turn in her homework, however

doesn't that conflict with your earlier solution? We all know that zero isn't a positive number.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Hahaha. Cocky and egotistical? Alright, Dad. Would be wonderful if you could back it up. Your vote on me and its reasoning were really hollow in general. Also, after you check up on my voting patterns, please get back to us with what you've found.

Hilarious.

Panta, you make a lot of pokes and hints at accusations, but don't actually call anyone out on anything. You didn't give anything but a positive read on people or say they (or what they did) was "odd" or "confusing". Do you not suspect anyone? Or are you too cautious to call anyone out on anything?

Planning to do a reread on Panta. I'm curious to see if this is a habit of his in this game.

Dad's attack towards me came off as scummy. I don't necessarily know if I'd put him as scum atm, though. I plan to look into Panta, Dad, Tandora, and Acrostic. Panta for reasons I stated in my last post. Dad because of how jumpy he was in his posts earlier in the day and how loosely he threw votes around. Tandora seemed far too buddy-buddy for my liking. I understand that she hasn't completely caught up yet, so I don't expect too much content. But I'm wanting to see how this changes after she has. Acrostic is becoming more and more of one of town's main lynch candidates. I'm wanting to do as much of a reread as I can on him before it gets too deep into that topic, so I'll be able to make a solid stance on what I think of him. As things are now, I really don't know. At times when I read his posts, my gut screams town and I want to defend him. But then he goes around and makes a post that makes no sense or is just scummy feeling and I hesitate and reconsider. I'll let you know tomorrow if there's anyone that comes to mind.

My apologies again for not being able to be on during the last bit of D1. But as I said, things came up. However, I'm extremely tired right now. I'm not going to do any rereads tonight, as I'd rather be fresh when I do so. Bug me about it tomorrow if I don't, because I don't want to forget X:

Interesting.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Case on July

Long time no see. You're my favorite substitute teacher. It appears you're going to be much better at this than the professor. Your math adds up.

Also I'm really not feeling TC's case on July at all. However I'm gonna abstain from commenting till I see July's response.

I don't get why you're writing out that work. You gain nothing from it and only serve to hinder other classmates. It's a useless +1 that could easily have waiting until after the response you are waiting for. Does not add up.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

As far as TC, why are you asking my opinion on this? What's your opinion?

This is a curveball.

Why are you asking to copy his work? It's already there and I too want to see your own math.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

That's what you say for all my posts. =/

And it applies, but he didn't call you out for that when you were talking about having a town read on him. He's selectively applying rules to his equation and math doesn't work like that.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright, so listen up, you braindead binomials.

Vote Hilt the independent what the **** ever.

The Professor flipped town and shocked me. Not gonna lie. Reread the game in night phase to try and figure out what was wrong with our equation and decided our math still added up, but we did note that Hilt hasn't been doing his own work. We then tried to factor him into a scum team, and nothing added up. He didn't factor, so I looked at his work again, and the math was still off. I thought about it and thought about it. I argued with myself and double checked my math, but the solution eluded me. Until I thought about solving for independent.

So Hilt, did you factor Seikend for us or run up against a doc/BP? Maybe you're a marker/piper or something even more obscure, but I'm thinking SK. I could be wrong and he could flip mafia, but I dunno what that helps me solve for. Feel free to point out other variables that he could help solve for, but I don't see it right now.

On to the math.

 

[traveling cat]

A lot of this is just stating what LST has done, and not really providing much behind it except highlighting that LST wasn't really active D1; the points bolded are just shots at our activity.

Not so much at your inactivity but more to how you handled it. I'll go more indepth this time. Each of those posts where you said you'll come back later didn't have anything to say. You posted to show you were still around and held off actual discussion for the next post.

First one was pointing out the starting of a trend. It was at the beginning during the RVS, so it's not that serious at that point, but I wanted to show just how many times you do this.

Useless. Absolutely fine as a lynch candidate if this deplorable activity continues just because I wouldn't want him in my lylo, but for now, let's hunt scum.

I gotta say, it's funny. I have some town reads, and I have a couple moderately comfortable nulls. If this garbage heap of activity keeps up then we can easily just go off of keeping town reads alive until serious playing occurs and woot woot we got a game. For the time being, I have limited time to actually scumhunt. But, coming tomorrow or the next day, I'll make sure to try and rip this town a new one. And J, you're on my side this time .

This post was totally made by July btw.

Oh wonderf-

Wait, false alarm. She'll get back to us later.

Second one, you/Gordito/LST/whoever attack the inactivity and follow it with saying 'let's hunt scum', only to turn around in the next paragraph and say you don't have time to scumhunt and will come back later. Um, what? You try to show how your town by wanting to do these, only you don't by holding it off for the next post.

When Leopard Skin Taser says that it's July posting, it's totes Gordito trolling so that he isn't policy lynched for being the incredibly awesome Gordito. Obtw this is July (look @ this confusion >:D).



I don't want an inactive policy, and with the dreadful activity, it might dwindle down to that. I just wanna try and get people to actively play this game instead of using the excuse of "lol I'm reactionary.", and I don't want noobs to be intimidated by the fact that they dunno how to start the game. And that's why this game's been going on for DAYS and there's only 4 friggin pages. You know who's reactionary, and in fact, SO reactionary that he's called out on it almost all the time as town? Me, Gordito (but it's totally July posting). I'm sorry I'm just raging at the activity level this game. /end rant.

Leave me alone, you're always bugging me Dad . Your reasoning for your vote on me makes no sense and if it wasn't for the fact that I assume it's Soup posting, trying to get this game going, I'd call you scum back. But I really dunno how to take it at this point.

J, you're town this game. J, you know I'm town this game. Wanna take advantage of the fact and **** together?

@Mod request mass prodding/prods on those who need em, please. Preferably a mass prodding though.

Threatens to call accuser scum, edges up to defender, and attacks the inactives. The latter which is the pot calling kettle black. Activity has been spotty and what posts do have content don't try to move things along or find scum.

BTW, attacking inactives and asking for prods, also good fluff content.

Wording was bad here, but my point was you're a hypocrite for attacking inactives while being inactive yourself. It's not a very town thing to do. Attacking inactives is a way for lurking scum to look like they're contributing when they're not really doing anything to find scum. So all your bravo about improving activity comes off as hypocritical and scummy.

Man Dad's acting like he usually does when football's online: like a jerk .

I'll read more in depth later, but we DO have 4 days left which is ridiculous. I say if we should lynch one person (since an Iggy lynch won't go down cuz he won't post and be scummy) I'd have to go Panta, and I'll read what you guys say to go Seph.

Votes, but doesn't give reason, and gives another 'I'll get back to you later'.

Here you vote without giving an actual reason, then say you'll be back later. It's not a post to help the discussion or find scum. It's just a post showing how you're still around.

Seikend that post...

Sorry that I haven't been posting as much as I'd like to, but I just hate having to go from account to account (especially when my hydra partner seems totally MIA x_x (Gosh darn Gordito!!!)). I'm not 100% sold on Ruy scum atm, and it might warrant a reread, but for now, I think our best option is still upon Seikend (that 250 seems like an attempt to slide into the building Ruy wagon), Seph (half for his inactiveness, and half for the fact that his "coming back" post was really a big post saying a lot of nothing). I can't get a read on Dad, so I'm going to trust J to help me out with em (J what's your read on Dad?). Everybody else that I didn't mention are either town and fine for me, or inactive and vigbait.

Inactivity excuse. Reasoning on Seik is vague, reasoning on Seph can be applied on herself, and passes giving a read on Dad to J.

Inactivity excuse is just that. An excuse for not participating actively. Another thing lurking scum may say along with 'I'll look at it later' to show how much they want to contribute to town discussion. Except they don't.

Also, how is letting another player to decide your read on someone a pro-town decision?

I didn't read that post Seikend, I moreso read the bottom line. But going off of JUST that, that's not enough for a town read. For all we know, since the team of Gordito and July is that of such epic proportions, a member of scum can be emulating our flawless scum reads just to try and squeeze into our good side.

Hey don't blame me for this post it's 6:30 and I've gotten no sleep, I'll do something productive after some sleep.

Hilt counters and fires some questions back, to which her reply is 'I didn't read that'. But that's okay. She'll get back to it later.

Told y'all that slot was scum.

I'll post for real later if I finish watching Glee season 2 tonight or when I talk to my hydra mate who never seems to be online/hitting me up on AIM (darn you Gordito!!!). But in the meantime I like where (unvote Vote Sangfroid Warrior) my vote is.

Or not.

Do I really need to explain what is wrong with your activity here? You've taken a stance and had reasons behind your vote, but when Hilt counters, you falter, say you'll come back to it, then don't. In fact, there's no mention of Hilt or why you suddenly decide Sang was better in your next post other then 'Told y'all that slot was scum'. You took your vote off Ignatius because:

(since an Iggy lynch won't go down cuz he won't post and be scummy)

and now that he is replaced and people start a wagon on his replacement, you jump off of Hilt and on to Sang without hesitation. It comes off as a scum flip-flopping from one wagon to another.

Our first vote on Ignatius and his spot deserved pressure. The vote clearly had reason, I saw the possibility of scum motivation there and I never got a response from Ignatius on that post; that pressure was warranted and I kept an eye on Sang as well as she filled his spot and went from there on my read of the slot.

Pressure warranted for what? How could a vote on hydra for the sake of being a hydra point to scum motivation? In fact, it looked to me more like a random vote with a BS reason behind it. The vote was clearly ridiculous and nobody in their right mind would accept or follow that kind of logic.

The part that I italicized was post #103 and was my head's first post of the game. We had a lead we were pursuing and a couple town reads, but we're not going to force scum reads, and not all the players had even posted. Yet you twist this as if we went for so long with only our Ignatius stance and what you consider little content...at post #103 :-/

Your lead was, once again, a player who who's vote was obviously ridiculous. The other player you hint at maybe being scum was Acro for the outburst in the last line in his post. You looked more interesting in say how people were town then how they can be scum. And a easy way for lurking scum to fly under the radar is to be friendly by point out how people are town then to step on their toes and call them scum.

I just flat out diasgree that I don't have content, I gave our reads throughout the Day and once again

A large part of it being town/null reads until a couple wagons formed by other players.

The Sangfroid suspicions I stated our case, asked questions of her, but I made it very clear that between our vote, which was originally based on Ignatius's play and her intro post, and our next post, Sangfroid's content had become better and Acrostic/RR play was scummier.

Could you quote these questions? I just can't seem to find them. >_>

Seikend was still not following through on his reads but was much less unsettling than Acrostic and RR. In my post #683 (which you didn't quote) I actually point out that Acrostic has top my scum picks over Seikend and RR, but I could support the RR wagon because he was my secondary scum pick. And you call it a wagon vote but neglect to mention that there was no time to fight for an Acrostic wagon because it was RR wagon or NL at that point.

As for Seikend, his recent posts honestly haven't attracted my attention...they are just null. There are a lot of clarifications and questions but I still doubt whether or not you are scumhunting. However, that's a lot better than I feel about Acrostic right now...

This doesn't feel genuine to me at all, not going to save you from a lynch.

RR's play hasn't changed at all, and his claim is null. Honestly it was hard to focus on RR over Acrostic.



Are you sure an Acrostic lynch can't happen? He's so scummy

RR has been pretty scummy and I can support his lynch, honestly I remember more about him from before I caught up when he was focused on lynching inactives and such, this read Acrostic caught my attention (in the worst way possible).

Vote: Red Ryu

You didn't state any particular thing RR did to look scummy, nor anything Seik did to turn null for you. The only reason are Seik's posts feel null, and RR's feel scummy. If you're going to vote someone just to help finish the wagon, at least come out and say it instead of covering it up with vague reasons like post feel.

Why are your first three reasons to vote me all different ways to say activity (or inactivity)?

First one is saying inactivity. The other two have to do with your actions when you do post. The second one is making an excuses for being and staying inactive. The third is just coming in to show you're still around and holding off posting real content for your next post.

We did scum hunt

Please link the posts proving this. Jumping on building bandwagons do not count. As AM would say, show you own work.

you accuse me of fluffing by asking for completely inactive players to post before deadline,

Fluffing by the Ignatius vote and spend time talking about how bad inactivity is instead of posting real discussion, like who is scum and why. #124 and #151 are the biggest offenders.

Also, you attack me for asking completely inactive players to post but you don't mention any of the other people who brought up the activity problem yesterDay, which was a very real problem.

Talking about the activity problem is one thing. Talking about the activity so much that you don't actually add anything to is another (Again, #124 and #151). Especially when you yourself are inactive.

Traveling Cat I don't like at all as I find this case to be really opportunistic, and I would like to see her stance on some other players.

Not surprising considering I'm trying to lynch you.

 

[traveling cat]

Alright, so listen up, you braindead binomials.

Vote Hilt the independent what the **** ever.

The Professor flipped town and shocked me. Not gonna lie. Reread the game in night phase to try and figure out what was wrong with our equation and decided our math still added up, but we did note that Hilt hasn't been doing his own work. We then tried to factor him into a scum team, and nothing added up. He didn't factor, so I looked at his work again, and the math was still off. I thought about it and thought about it. I argued with myself and double checked my math, but the solution eluded me. Until I thought about solving for independent.

So Hilt, did you factor Seikend for us or run up against a doc/BP? Maybe you're a marker/piper or something even more obscure, but I'm thinking SK. I could be wrong and he could flip mafia, but I dunno what that helps me solve for. Feel free to point out other variables that he could help solve for, but I don't see it right now.

On to the math.

Um, no. Not voting Hilt because you think he's an SK or some obscure Indy. Especially since we haven't seen real evidence of a Indy. Be a good boy and help me lynch July.

 

[#HBC | J]

Um, no. Not voting Hilt because you think he's an SK or some obscure Indy. Especially since we haven't seen real evidence of a Indy. Be a good boy and help me lynch July.

Hahaha I couldn't agree more ('cept with the lynch July part).

A better question is why are they indy-hunting over mafia-hunting atm? Plus I don't see any reasoning behind why Hilt is indy but as always, waiting on reasoning from AM.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Indiana Hilt would explain his eagerness to go along with popular voting wagons. However assuming that Hilt is an indie faction also means that he believed that taking a strong stance against RR would benefit him in the long run. Although AM, having sufficient reasons or not having sufficient reasons is not always enough to mark one as scum or indie. Especially if Hilt was on RR's tail, one does not need to assess town reads on other players. I would like to hear more though about how you came to an indie Hilt and in the case of not getting Hilt lynched, who else you would go for wrt today's lynch.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Actually no. I'll wait for Hilt to address this.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

His voting choices have been ***.

AM thoughts on J|July? Would I be politically incorrect to say that they are buddying or is it just me being butthurt. Because the only justification I can see is neighbors|masons.

 

[traveling cat]

Also I'm really not feeling TC's case on July at all. However I'm gonna abstain from commenting till I see July's response.

You just did. >_> 'Not feeling TC's case' pretty much means, 'I don't like'

TC, if you had to pick a second person as your scum-pick, who would it be and why?

I'll hold off on saying right now.

Come on now, you know this isn't good reasoning for your "leaning town" read on him(now TC). It's WIFOM for one and two it's just weak my dear.

My dear. If you want people to look at me more scummy, at least have the decency of basing it on my actions, and not the previous player with less than 5 posts.

TC, how do you feel about July the individual as compared to LST the hydra? Honestly, I thought it was mostly Gordito posting on the hydra and being his normal goofy town self, so I didn't see a lot of July's voice until now.

I don't see how it would matter. She was part of the hyrda and there's no reason why she couldn't have been just as active and contributing then as she is now (at least if she keeps it up). Plus,

I forgot to get to this.

Acrostic, no matter how much you don't want to believe or accept it, I am Leopard Skin Taser. Just because either me or July are going to be posting doesn't mean you should take it one specific way or the other and it's silly for you to try and force us to distinguish who's doing what more than what we plan to... for you convenience.

she stated before that we shouldn't try to distinguish between either of them. So we shouldn't do it now...for her convenience.

Hahaha I couldn't agree more ('cept with the lynch July part).

A better question is why are they indy-hunting over mafia-hunting atm? Plus I don't see any reasoning behind why Hilt is indy but as always, waiting on reasoning from AM.

(Don't close your eyes to the truth!)

Yes I agree. It always a red-flag because only mafia are concerned about indys, especially since they know who they killed.

 

[#HBC | J]

You just did. >_> 'Not feeling TC's case' pretty much means, 'I don't like'

Well woops.

I'll hold off on saying right now.

Fair enough, but I'll be asking again later.

My dear. If you want people to look at me more scummy, at least have the decency of basing it on my actions, and not the previous player with less than 5 posts.

This wasn't directed at you really but it was asking Tanny why she is basing her "leaning town" read on you based on those less than 5 posts. I wasn't trying to make people look at you through that post in particular.

Can I get your opinion on Acro/Sang btw?

(Don't close your eyes to the truth!)

Yes I agree. It always a red-flag because only mafia are concerned about indys, especially since they know who they killed.

Good eye/philosophy my lady and I couldn't agree more yet again.

 

[#HBC | J]

His voting choices have been ***.

AM thoughts on J|July? Would I be politically incorrect to say that they are buddying or is it just me being butthurt. Because the only justification I can see is neighbors|masons.

What are you babbling on about? I have buddied that slot a bit yes but why is neighbors/masons the only thing justifying that?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Apologies, half this hydra just had some nasty personal issues, so an in-depth case isn't gonna be forthcoming.

Hilt is indy because he's sidelining. Almost all his posts are done like our's are. They're catch-up and in flurries. Difference is, his are a good measure of public opinion. He doesn't ever step out and go hard against the grain. Not only that, but his posts are all noncommital. His only STRONG stance is Red Ruy and it was only taken after it was pretty apparent that he was going to get lynched, but boy he went in strong there.

tl;dr

He's sitting there keeping his options open. Trying not to make anyone mad, but not to set himself up in a situation where he can be forced to stick to a read.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Hahaha I couldn't agree more ('cept with the lynch July part).

A better question is why are they indy-hunting over mafia-hunting atm? Plus I don't see any reasoning behind why Hilt is indy but as always, waiting on reasoning from AM.

Oh my god, go die.

EXPLAIN to me why, when I believe strongly that I've found an indy, I should leave it alone and go for mafia. That's a STUPID argument that I've had to shoot down before. So go ahead and tell me WHY I should be hunting ANY kind of scum over any other?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM thoughts on J|July? Would I be politically incorrect to say that they are buddying or is it just me being butthurt. Because the only justification I can see is neighbors|masons.

Don't reach for that conclusion. I see both as possible scum independently. J lynch is gonna be sold on J being scum, not on connection to a July flip and I would take a July lynch first. I would be much more concerned with a Tandora/J connection as it's the only one that really stands out to me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Yes I agree. It always a red-flag because only mafia are concerned about indys, especially since they know who they killed.

Are you KIDDING me? Why do people push this bull****?

I want your comments on why, but I want J's first.

 

[#HBC | J]

Apologies, half this hydra just had some nasty personal issues, so an in-depth case isn't gonna be forthcoming.

Hilt is indy because he's sidelining. Almost all his posts are done like our's are. They're catch-up and in flurries. Difference is, his are a good measure of public opinion. He doesn't ever step out and go hard against the grain. Not only that, but his posts are all noncommital. His only STRONG stance is Red Ruy and it was only taken after it was pretty apparent that he was going to get lynched, but boy he went in strong there.

tl;dr

He's sitting there keeping his options open. Trying not to make anyone mad, but not to set himself up in a situation where he can be forced to stick to a read.

Large thing, I wonder what Dad has to say about this?

Also you say Hilt is sidelining when that's pretty much what a majority of the game has been doing this entire time. I really don't get the impression of him being a people pleaser who is only just sheeping to popular opinion.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Good eye/philosophy my lady and I couldn't agree more yet again.

How did you know that TCat was a lady? I'm fairly certain that I've never talked to you about it.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Also you say Hilt is sidelining when that's pretty much what a majority of the game has been doing this entire time. I really don't get the impression of him being a people pleaser who is only just sheeping to popular opinion.

Why ?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh my god, go die.

EXPLAIN to me why, when I believe strongly that I've found an indy, I should leave it alone and go for mafia. That's a STUPID argument that I've had to shoot down before. So go ahead and tell me WHY I should be hunting ANY kind of scum over any other?

Town aren't hunting for indies selectively, they are scum-hunting. Plus there is a literal zero evidence to say there is an indy and you are already throwing out those type of accusations. Mafia don't have to worry about finding other mafia because they know who is who, what they do search for is indies and PRs which are thorns in the mafia's side.

Basically it's a wild witch hunt to search for indies with no evidence to back up your claim and at this stage, it really only benefits mafia to be looking for them.

 

[#HBC | J]

How did you know that TCat was a lady? I'm fairly certain that I've never talked to you about it.

Yes, one-side has. And two, look at the social thread where you call out Vandy for saying "she isn't a fella."

 

[#HBC | J]

Why ?

Why do you get the impression he has is the better question?

 

[#HBC | J]

Don't reach for that conclusion. I see both as possible scum independently. J lynch is gonna be sold on J being scum, not on connection to a July flip and I would take a July lynch first. I would be much more concerned with a Tandora/J connection as it's the only one that really stands out to me.

Tanny/J connection? July/J connection?

Huh there's a common denominator in that equation. Why would you take a July lynch btw?

 

[#HBC | J]

Indiana Hilt would explain his eagerness to go along with popular voting wagons. However assuming that Hilt is an indie faction also means that he believed that taking a strong stance against RR would benefit him in the long run. Although AM, having sufficient reasons or not having sufficient reasons is not always enough to mark one as scum or indie. Especially if Hilt was on RR's tail, one does not need to assess town reads on other players. I would like to hear more though about how you came to an indie Hilt and in the case of not getting Hilt lynched, who else you would go for wrt today's lynch.

I don't like this post cuz it screams quick hop on onto the IndyHilt train of thought that holds an absolute 0% credibility.

 

[#HBC | J]

Basically, I am feeling you are having selective viewing atm AM w.r.t. your "scum"-hunting.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmmmm something's not adding up and it seems I may have been too harsh on one of my reads and a little less leniant on another. I'm gonna go back and read through this game again a bit and get back to a few things.

 

[#HBC | J]

How can you factor a variable when you haven't even read the entire problem?

Tandora, do you feel J is just using Guess & Check here?

You seem to have a lack of english knowledge for such a wise mathematician. If you continue reading you see that I even said I would like to wait till I see more content from her before I firm up the read. It wasn't even a strong statement.

Now this work is looking better. I agree that Tandora needs to turn in her homework, however

doesn't that conflict with your earlier solution? We all know that zero isn't a positive number.

What are you talking about in this post? What "solution"?

 

[traveling cat]

This wasn't directed at you really but it was asking Tanny why she is basing her "leaning town" read on you based on those less than 5 posts. I wasn't trying to make people look at you through that post in particular.

Oh, I see. Sorry your posts since I posted the July case kept feeling like they're trying to downplay things, and I replied without looking back.

Can I get your opinion on Acro/Sang btw?

Acro, I've been cross with just for saying the previous lynch was likely TvT, but I honestly haven't taken a good look at either to say which way they lean.

Are you KIDDING me? Why do people push this bull****?

I want your comments on why, but I want J's first.

Town aren't hunting for indies selectively, they are scum-hunting. Plus there is a literal zero evidence to say there is an indy and you are already throwing out those type of accusations. Mafia don't have to worry about finding other mafia because they know who is who, what they do search for is indies and PRs which are thorns in the mafia's side.

Basically it's a wild witch hunt to search for indies with no evidence to back up your claim and at this stage, it really only benefits mafia to be looking for them.

J said it so nicely. Plus, indy accusation would only generate baseless role discussion. It's nothing solid enough for a lynch and we don't need that distracting us from real cases. Like July's.

 

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Town aren't hunting for indies selectively, they are scum-hunting. Plus there is a literal zero evidence to say there is an indy and you are already throwing out those type of accusations. Mafia don't have to worry about finding other mafia because they know who is who, what they do search for is indies and PRs which are thorns in the mafia's side.

Basically it's a wild witch hunt to search for indies with no evidence to back up your claim and at this stage, it really only benefits mafia to be looking for them.

Oh, so if I said that Hilt was scum and left ambiguous that he was indy then it wouldn't have been a problem at all. Only because I pointed out why I thought he was indy over mafia is it a problem? Indy and mafia do different things. Were you in Superheroes where I chased Gheb as SK (I was wrong, he was a weird off-Vig, but w/e)? I'm almost sure you've heard EE's war story about chasing an SK over mafia recently, but I don't think I've ever heard a dissenting opinion based on that. I think you're mafia and Hilt is indy, so you should definitely back up why you think he isn't sidelining. I outlined specifically why I think he is sidelining. It's because he isn't committing strongly to anything aside from RR past the point it was obviously going to happen and he never goes against the grain. Seriously, look back and cite examples as to where I'm wrong or explain why that doesn't add up to sidelining to you.

Tanny/J connection? July/J connection?

Huh there's a common denominator in that equation. Why would you take a July lynch btw?

I said that I didn't see a J/July connection. You're both scum reads independent of each other. I wasn't concerned with it. July is more likely to flip scum than you. The only connection I've seen that I would go back and really dig into is J/Tandora.

 

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J said it so nicely. Plus, indy accusation would only generate baseless role discussion. It's nothing solid enough for a lynch and we don't need that distracting us from real cases. Like July's.

Why? It hasn't gone in that direction and no one is pushing it in that direction. The accusation could generate discussions on who might be Hilt's scum mates if other people think he's mafia or role discussion based on what kind of indy he is, but none of that is a problem even if the kind of indy discussion doesn't matter much.

 

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Okay, I have GOT to go.

I will be back when I get back, probably not tonight.

 

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AM, it's a mafia scum-slip to call someone out for being an indy rather then them being scum. No to the two stories. You need to back up however your Jscum and JulyScum reads and your apparant TannyScum read too.

Question: Why should I give evidence to my HiltTown read before he responds to your somewhat flippant accusation of him being an Indy?