FGD~ Time to get SHTL done

[HiddenBowser]

LOL, I think your percents are too low.

 

[Lightning93]

75% of noobs will never become experienced players. 90% of experienced players will never become decent. 75% of decent players will never become good. 75% of good players will never place top 3 in a national tournament.

Lol I would love to see the research on that topic, but I was jk anyways. Getting good requires a desire that provokes practice to become better.

 

[Sukai]

75% of noobs will never become experienced players. 90% of experienced players will never become decent. 75% of decent players will never become good. 75% of good players will never place top 3 in a national tournament.

Shame on you, how cryptic!
"Hey kids, just give up, the elements are against you, no matter how hard you try, chances are, it'll do jack ****!"

Shine spiking.....
I've totally given that up, I get stage spiked if I try to do it to Marth, Ike will super armor it, Falco out-prioritises it, Meta Knight is suicide, Pit just flies around it, and the list goes on.
I'll shine spike Link, Lucario and tether recovery users, that's it, but I'd sooner back air stage spike tether users.

 

[SnowballBob33]

Dont try shining a marth. Up B+ fair RAPEZ RAPEZ RAPEZ. You learn the hard way when u play neo. Spacies get utterly ***** when shining up B. Dont even think about shining mk. Pit can just fly under the map if you shine him before he up B's. after is darn near impossible. Dk works. situational mario, Probably not luigi. Yes tink and link. i think peach but u may have to dair first. zhamy is right, it depends on their recovery and is situational.

 

[GwJ]

Shine spiking Luigi does work. After you shine him, he's too low to side-b, and down-b doesn't go far enough to the left/right to hit Fox, which leave's him to Up-B, but if you Firefox stall, you'll have invincibility and he's fall to his death, which is where I would pause the game, press R, press Z to save a screenshot, chuckle, and press start.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

O.o

....

shine spiking is too good

...

shame on you fox mains, disrespecting fox's shine

 

[Lightning93]

Let it go Uzi, shine spiking doesn't work for everyone.

 

[SCOTU]

LOL, I think your percents are too low.

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. some %s might be too low, but the total result from noob to top placer (1/640 iirc) is reasonably accurate imo.

Shame on you, how cryptic!
"Hey kids, just give up, the elements are against you, no matter how hard you try, chances are, it'll do jack ****!"

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that to discourage anyone. I'm merely pointing out the flaw in the "a noob is just someone who hasn't gotten good yet" sentiment.

Despite that, there are two sides to your claim. You could go with the mentality that anyone could become a top player; this gives the average nub the good inside feeling that gives them motivation to try to be good (despite the fact that they probably won't). On the other hand, pointing out these huge ratios just goes to show how extraordinary the top level players are. For most people on smashboards, the top players are incomprehensibly better than them, and claiming that "anyone can do what they do" is rather demeaning towards the effort and understanding they've put into the game.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

but i dun wanna >.<
*flails*

*starts twitching*
shine spiking is uber good , you'll see, YOU'LL ALL SEE. EH AH HE HA HAHAHAH!!!!

*slaps self*

o.o

ehem , excuse me there.

 

[Sukai]

My point SCOTU pal, was that the effort is all the matter, but the way you listed those random statistics made it sound like the effort or will to improve matters not.
Some noobs don't strive to improve, others' desire isn't as strong-willed, but if you're serious, then it can happen.

Takes time, dedication lots of effort and an open mind.
Statistically not-very-probable, but possible.

On shine spiking, trying to tag a Luigi will never work thanks to his down B ascension, that out does anything Fox can do, if you knock him far off, it might work, but it's not really a viable option when fighting the man in green.

Uzi, this ain't Melee....

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

On shine spiking, trying to tag a Luigi will never work thanks to his down B ascension, that out does anything Fox can do,

like 4-5 clips i have beg to differ,

you CAN time the shine spike right to hit him out of his down-b as well as his tripple jump

its very hard to do but IT IS POSSIBLE

 

[Sukai]

you CAN time the shine spike right to hit him out of his down-b as well as his tripple jump

its very hard to do but IT IS POSSIBLE

Then why bother?
To quote myself, shine spiking Luigi is a bad idea in general, because it's...

not really a viable option when fighting the man in green.

 

[GwJ]

While it is possible to shine Luigi, it's easier to just Dair > shine/footstool. Much safer than trying to shinespike and risk being stage spiked.

 

[DarkAura]

YEAH i need a tip on the dair shine. first off i know you have to hit it perfect and not fast fall or else it's foxiciding but do you buffer the shine or jump then shine and leave firefox to recover?

 

[Zhamy]

Dair->Shine->Recover. The shine should come directly after the Dair.

Buffer the shine if you can.

 

[DarkAura]

got it... thanks for telling me, now to practice (gotta have it perfect)

 

[Sukai]

You can fast fall it if you short hop first.
I tend to footstool instead of shine in this situation.

 

[Pancakesyo]

question

does drill>shine work better high or low percentages ?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Drill>Shine__________14%-300%---(as long as one kick hits at 14% this will combo, meaning if you land more than one kick it should combo earlier)

gets easier the higher the percent

 

[Xerxes]

god i hate meta-knight. i dont think any characters have a good defense against him besides marth,fox,lucario and sonic

 

[Lightning93]

Well Fox does have a good defense in terms of being able to SHDL and punish really well, but a lot of MK won't make these options easy for you. I wonder how DK fares?

 

[Sukai]

Donkey Kong is "wear n' tear" vs. Meta Knight, his good spacing helps him get Meta Knight off his back, and if Meta Knight doesn't space perfectly, Donkey Kong can use his grab range to punish. He has enough kill power to kill him at low percentages, just don't get caught in any Tornadoes, that ***** DK blind.

 

[Apollo$]

Is it safe to try to shine any character thats trying to recover?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

some characters like link, defiantly go for it, but if you try it on chars like meta you will get gimped.

 

[Exceladon City]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-competition

I'm commentating

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-competition

I'm commentating

*watches o.o*

 

[DarkAura]

lol capem is getting owned

 

[professor mgw]

what does wave shine mean?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

what does wave shine mean?

wrong thead, but ya..
its a melee term -.-

 

[Zephil]

I need a really nice fox that could help me by making me a cool signature... somebody please??

 

[DarkAura]

if you mean fox picture... good luck theres not many good ones on the internet you best off using one from your own wii (if you want brawl fox that is) other thn that i would say look on some starfox concept art website.

 

[Lightning93]

I used to make signatures, the one I have I made myself and that was many months ago. I'm a little better now, but I'm out of ideas :/.

 

[Zephil]

I was thinking of something like this arwing:
http://news.soft32.com/wp-content/upload/nintendo/starfox_NDS.jpg
with this great fox at the background:
http://sarge.wheresthebeef.co.uk/SGv2/Wallpapers/wallpaper[StarFox]06-l.png
or a simple space background
and the same detail as A6M Zero that has his name in fox gun but in this sig in the arwing... Only if you can... I now is a lot of work and worst if is not for you but if you can do it, it would be great! a sig to have for a lot of time without a doubt

 

[Sukai]

I can make signature pictures, but I'm not very good, my best would be....

I've also made...

I made the Roy sig pic down there as well.

 

[Exceladon City]

So the Ganon boards have a player tier list. I think we should totally make one.

TOP
Rookie

HIGH
Zeton
Toronto Joe
Samboner
NeverKnowsBest
M@v

That's all I could think of for now.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

So the Ganon boards have a player tier list. I think we should totally make one.

TOP
Rookie

HIGH
Zeton
Toronto Joe
Samboner
NeverKnowsBest
M@v

That's all I could think of for now.

wheres Fenfen?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

So the Ganon boards have a player tier list. I think we should totally make one.

TOP
Rookie

HIGH
Zeton
Toronto Joe
Samboner
NeverKnowsBest
M@v

That's all I could think of for now.

*Smacks Excel with a fish*

 

[Exceladon City]

wheres Fenfen?

I've never seen him play.

*Smacks Excel with a fish*

I don't know where to put you. I'm sure you'd be like uh...upper mid.

 

[GwJ]

You should add low and put me in there.

 

[Zephil]

I can make signature pictures, but I'm not very good, my best would be....

I've also made...

I made the Roy sig pic down there as well.

Sorry for answering late I was busy this last days... anyways thanks for offering your help but I already found someone who is helping me with a new sign so anyways thanks