FGD~ Time to get SHTL done

[Xiivi]

I asked Azua if it were okay for me to allow a topic like this here, so let's see if you guys can handle yourselves and make good use of this.

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Have fun.

 

[Zhamy]

#6: Xiivi loves you.

First topic: Why does Xiivi suck so much? (I wuv you Xiivi~~~~~~)

 

[RPK]

Yay for the Social Topic <3 +1 post.

Anyways, gentlemen, -pulls out a pipe, and takes a couple puffs- Todays discussion?

EDIT:
@Zhamy
Because he is a vacuum cleaner. Next topic!

 

[A6M Zero]

I have an idea. How about a we discuss my work on improving Fox's game against planking MK's. Everything we have a solid counter against except for aggressively uairing MK's. Something that I can't get pyroplanning to work as well against as everything else (including defensive Uairing).


EDIT: I thought it would be helpful to post a video of a particularly horrible MK when it comes to this fine art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jYJ-Yjf3w

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

I have an idea. How about a we discuss my work on improving Fox's game against planking MK's. Everything we have a solid counter against except for aggressively uairing MK's. Something that I can't get pyroplanning to work as well against as everything else (including defensive Uairing).


EDIT: I thought it would be helpful to post a video of a particularly horrible MK when it comes to this fine art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jYJ-Yjf3w

Holy ****ing plank... i mean, what can you do against that as fox except for getting stage spiked by meta? Would assume you need some balls to chase a MK off the edge, and jesus better be holding your hand in the process.

I would say running off and Bair'n but it's sooooo fricken risky...

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Yay discussion topic is back, ^.^

well i'm just trying to think of a counter to this by fighting the meta with the tourney rules, couldnt you just laser off the edge and wait till the meat comes and gets you, or would that be counted as stalling while planking isnt,

cause if you could just get some beginning laser damage in and be winning by percent, couldn't you just wait for the clock to get down and force the meta to fight you instead of planking?

 

[Sukai]

I know who the Fox community is.

Am I included?

I hope so...

Anyway to the discussion.
I recommend Foxcide (running off the stage with a fast fall down air).
There really isn't any assured method to take care of Meta Knight's planking.
Try an bait him I guess. The primary consideration is that he rules at spacing, and Fox--doesn't.
Baiting is the best option I can think of, it's dumb to chase him off the edge.

Call stalling and disqualify the opponent, no johns.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

Am I included?

I hope so...

Anyway to the discussion.
I recommend Foxcide (running off the stage with a fast fall down air).
There really isn't any assured method to take care of Meta Knight's planking.
Try an bait him I guess. The primary consideration is that he rules at spacing, and Fox--doesn't.
Baiting is the best option I can think of, it's dumb to chase him off the edge.

Call stalling and disqualify the opponent, no johns.

Attempting Foxicide on a planking meta = auto lose of stock

Maybe if you run, pivot and jump off backwards and attempt to Fair him on the way back to the stage. Fair has nice priority.

But then again MK is jesus with a sword.

 

[GwJ]

If only Fox was a little floatier, he'd have such an easier time.

 

[Jenkins]

really, the best option is to not jump off-stage at all. metaknight "plankers" wait at the edge until they see an opening, and they try to **** you with his bull****.

solution? Fake them out. you make it appear as though you are jumping offstage or trying to attack, the planker will react.

run towards the edge, jump and come down with an airdodge. they might come within fox's range on their "counter-attack".

but really, there isn't much you can do. it's sad.

 

[RumPuffin]

I hate MK so hard to really hit him with Fox, no real good openings, it makes me wish you had melee's shield range then you could spam that a bit to help keep him on edge.

 

[RPK]

How do you counter Planking? Well, if Falco cant do it, I dont think Fox can =\ Best I can think of thats safe is RAR Fair. Run off facing the stage and Fair him, but if you wanna be safe, just sit back and laser him till he comes back on. Thats the best suggestion, and the best way. Just keep up the pressure with lasers till he gets back on.

 

[Jenkins]

How do you counter Planking? Well, if Falco cant do it, I dont think Fox can =\ Best I can think of thats safe is RAR Fair. Run off facing the stage and Fair him, but if you wanna be safe, just sit back and laser him till he comes back on. Thats the best suggestion, and the best way. Just keep up the pressure with lasers till he gets back on.

that would be a good idea, butttttttttttt, a stalling MK stalls under the stage, where lasers will never touch him.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

that would be a good idea, butttttttttttt, a stalling MK stalls under the stage, where lasers will never touch him.

well it would then turn into a waiting game,

camping fox vs planking metaknight. who has the most patients

 

[Jenkins]

or you come up with the CRAZIIIIEST insults and piss them off so they MUST come fight you.

you could question their man-hood. (if its a girl then you're outta luck)

you could walk away and get a drink.

you could call a friend.

you could play footies with him/her

you could tie your shoes.

 

[Toronto Joe]

if you play the matchup right MK shouldnt really have a % lead on you to plank at all, the problem we have with MK is that he shuts down all of our approaches beside lasers and can edgegaurd/k.o us easily

to beat planking you really just need to read when they are going to leave the edge and react as quickly as possible to it, i remember my friend John(lol his name is john) saying that you can grab MK when hes on the edge so maybe try that if they get careless, sometimes i like when they plank because it gives me time to think out a strategy for when i have to actually fight them since they stall so much xD usually i use a heli fair or jump off and catch them with an illusion

 

[GwJ]

What you can do is just go ROB or Pit and use gyro/laser or angled arrows with pit. But with Fox, I'd just dash dance until I trip and just sit there, put down my controller, sit on the floor and imitate Fox sitting down in real life.

 

[Sukai]

RAR forward air won't help.
Fox is too short range. All Meta Knight needs is a down air, and "whoops there goes another rubber tree plant."
Seriously, call stalling.

Planking is acceptable if the player is in a desperate situation, but if the opponent is not pressuring the planker--
i.e. doing nothing at all
--, then they have no reason to plank, they're just stalling.

 

[RPK]

Technically they arent stalling. Theyre putting the opponent at a disadvantagious position, in which the opponent must put himself in danger in order to reach the him. Some character's strongest strengths are off stage, and are shown when theyre hanging onto the ledge or using it to their advantage. Minimizing the opponent's options is something that you need to do to win a match. Take Snake for example. When he's on battlefield, you really cant do jack sh**. Place a Grenade, in front, sit near the ledge, and place a C4 on the platform in front. You got 1 grenade left to use, as well as tilts, and an already cooked explosive sitting in front of you. Besides Fox, some characters like Dedede wont be able to handle this trap. All he can do is throw his waddle dees which isnt much because the snake can use his grenades to stop them. -shrugs- I dunno.

 

[Sukai]

So, what if Fox just doesn't approach?

 

[RPK]

I kinda suggested that before if you read the previous page >_> Just sit back about midrange and laser. It wont do jack **** to a planking Meta Knight, but atleast it keeps up the pressure. I gave the other suggestion, but like you said, you can easily Dair Fox out of it. Its a stupid idea, and puts Fox at a bad position. I mean, if Falco cant handle the camp, I dont think Fox can.

 

[crifer]

Yesterday I dreamed that you could grab MK if he tries to plank and dthrow,
so he does not hit the stage and falls to his death, that was awesome O.o

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Yesterday I dreamed that you could grab MK if he tries to plank and dthrow,
so he does not hit the stage and falls to his death, that was awesome O.o

lol, a melee d-throw

 

[Sukai]

I've concluded that aside from doing nothing, Fox's best aggressive method is trying for a back air stage spike, then Foxcoptering away from Meta Knight (assuming you miss) shine stall a bit, then recover.
The Meta Knight won't waste any time trying to gimp you, so the ledge is free and you'll have just barely enough time and space to safely make it back.
If you succeed in the stage spike, then free stock for Fox, party time--see if he planks now...

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I kinda suggested that before if you read the previous page >_> Just sit back about midrange and laser. It wont do jack **** to a planking Meta Knight, but atleast it keeps up the pressure. I gave the other suggestion, but like you said, you can easily Dair Fox out of it. Its a stupid idea, and puts Fox at a bad position. I mean, if Falco cant handle the camp, I dont think Fox can.

i did that the last time i fought Plank. i got him w/ a dair trick earlier, but after that i couldn't get that anymore and just said "oh well.." *pew pew pew pew...*.

@Xiivi
are all the boards starting these again? i just came from the JP one, so i wnated to ask.

 

[Xiivi]

It is a case-by-case basis that is up to the discretion of the moderator in charge of the forum. If a moderator feels it is needed and can be reasonably handled by the users, then they are free to make a thread and devote the time to making sure it stays clean.

 

[§witch]

I have an idea. How about a we discuss my work on improving Fox's game against planking MK's. Everything we have a solid counter against except for aggressively uairing MK's. Something that I can't get pyroplanning to work as well against as everything else (including defensive Uairing).


EDIT: I thought it would be helpful to post a video of a particularly horrible MK when it comes to this fine art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jYJ-Yjf3w

That video made my day, atta be Scotu.

Falco has some tricks that can get MK off of the edge, like a downward tilted ftilt. It's too funny when that hits them.

But for fox, I'm thinking a RAR'ed shff fair to make sure that only the tip of your foot would hit MK.

 

[RPK]

No, if the Meta Knight sees the Falco come close, that means a Forward air from Meta Knight, or an Uair since that thing has stupid range =\ Falco has some tricks, but they arent really safe...

 

[Cosmick]

Meta Knight. Gah.
AiB thinks Fox has some CRAZY advantage against Meta Knight... At first I thought they were stupid..








Then I realized I was stupid for even looking at the Fox boards there...

 

[GwJ]

AiB's boards are full of march meta-gamers.

 

[SCOTU]

AiB's boards are just a smaller set of the same people that come here (for fox). They don't think fox has some crazy advantage.

 

[Xiivi]

AiB's boards are just a smaller set of the same people that come here (for fox). They don't think fox has some crazy advantage.

I don't know, I was talking to this user here: http://allisbrawl.com/profile/SportyAsianChick283.ai

About Fox's match-ups and her were her opinions:
MK: 60:40 (Fox)
Snake: 70:30 (Fox)
Falco: 55:45 (Fox)
DDD: 30:70 (DDD)
G&W: 65:35 (Fox)

The rest were all over the place as well.

Crazy stuff.

 

[SCOTU]

that's... uh... insightful... yeah... we'll go with that...

 

[Exceladon City]

I don't know, I was talking to this user here: http://allisbrawl.com/profile/SportyAsianChick283.ai

About Fox's match-ups and her were her opinions:
MK: 60:40 (Fox)
Snake: 70:30 (Fox)
Falco: 55:45 (Fox)
DDD: 30:70 (DDD)
G&W: 65:35 (Fox)

The rest were all over the place as well.

Crazy stuff.

haha. Funny. IMHO

MK: 60:40 (MK)
Snake: 55:45 (Snake)
Falco: 60:40 (Falco)
DDD: 55:45 (Fox)
GW: 60:40 (GW)

 

[A6M Zero]

haha. Funny. IMHO

MK: 60:40 (MK)
Snake: 55:45 (Snake)
Falco: 60:40 (Falco)
DDD: 55:45 (Fox)
GW: 60:40 (GW)

Still off.

MK 60:40 (MK)
Snake 65:35 (Fox)
Falco 60:40 (Falco)
DDD 65:35 (Fox)
GW 55:45 (GW)

 

[SCOTU]

MK 65:35 (MK)
Snake 55:45 (Snake)
Falco 55:45 (Falco)
DDD 50:50 (Fox)
G&W 60:40 (G&W)

 

[Zhamy]

Ohgod why are we doing this again.

MK 65:35 (MK)
Snake 50:50
Falco 55:45 Falco
DDD 55:45 (Fox)
G&W 55:45 (G&W)
Fox 0:100 (Fox)

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

ZOMFG I WANT TO BE APART OF THIS!

MK 65:35 (MK)
Snake 55:45 (Fox)
Falco 55:45 Falco
DDD 60:40 (Fox)
G&W 60:40 (G&W)
THE ENTIRE CAST AT THE SAME TIME 0:100 (Flamedash)
^See what I did DAIR TO UPSMASH?

*Flies through all the blue rings in an asteroid field to warp to Katina to help Bill, along with the Husky and Bulldog Units!*

 

[RPK]

with FLAMEDASH against the entire cast, its a 0:100 Fox's Favor of course.

 

[Toronto Joe]

MK 60:40 (MK)
Snake 55:45(Snake)
Falco Even
DDD 55:45 (D3)
GaW 60:40 (GaW) foxs toughest matchup imo