Falco's Match-Ups IMO

[erick gm14]

DEHF's got this. and i want a rematch KT. ill be winning back my 3 bucks soon >_>b

 

[Brawlin]

Dude, DEHF I don't know if anybody has addressed this, but why do you believe Falco has an advantage over Kirby and ROB? Im not disagreeing with you, I'm just curious because both of those matchups are said to be 40:60.

 

[erick gm14]

Brawlin... jab. enough said. and nair for rob

 

[DEHF]

Dude, DEHF I don't know if anybody has addressed this, but why do you believe Falco has an advantage over Kirby and ROB? Im not disagreeing with you, I'm just curious because both of those matchups are said to be 40:60.

Falco beats Kirby on the ground and doesn't do bad against him in the air. Kirby's strong points in the match up is that he can kill Falco early with fsmash and he can use Falco's laser ability against him. Pretty much Kirby is MK without the speed or range. His kill moves are stronger than MK's, but they're harder to land.

Rob is so big that you can rack up damage on him easier than most characters, his air speed and not have a good aerial that hits downward makes it easy for him to get juggled. If Rob doesn't get a gimp off, it's really hard for him to get a kill on Falco. His strong points in the match up is his edge guarding and that he out ranges Falco, eveything else Falco does just as well or better.

 

[Brawlin]

Thanks for the reply DEHF. Ill try to use your advice when I'm fighting them. I usually have problem fighting against them.

 

[erick gm14]

kirby doesnt have much ways to kill. his smashes are predictable and his bair is avoidable. jab stops his smashes since its faster. but kirbs doesnt have much mobility since hes a floaty. wait for them to dish out the smash attack, shield it (gotta predict it) and u kill em. and watch for the swallow, easy kill/SD for him.

as for rob. sh>nair>ff is VERYY good vs it since hes so big like larry mentioned. up close u have to be on dostance for your jab to pretty much shut down his attacks. if ur too far your get ftilted or somethin. your camping game>rob. dont get hit by nairs pretty much watch rob when hes in the air approaching you.


-KiD

 

[DEHF]

I changed some of the match up ratios

 

[Blacknight99923]

larry will you pick up marth for I-chain-gwabbed-chu now?

 

[DEHF]

I'd probably use either MK, Wario, or Diddy if I have that much of a problem against Pikachu.

 

[swordsaint]

Learn my Pikachu Strategy better Larry.

It works, I promise. <3

 

[da K.I.D.]

If you guys want ill record a set of my falco vs the second best pikachu player in the country at the moment to show you guys how it works.

 

[ANTi_]

I changed some of the match up ratios

Let's look @ Sonic.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Let's look @ Sonic.

that was the first thing I did too.

 

[-DR3W-]

Based on personal experience, I agree with Sheik. Can you explain it, though?

If you guys want ill record a set of my falco vs the second best pikachu player in the country at the moment to show you guys how it works.

Who might that be?

 

[Ussi]

P!kaP!ka, but I would assume him to be 3rd after Anther; Anther does still go to MI tourneys.

 

[da K.I.D.]

does he?

thats a fair assessment then. I assumed anther had quit for good.

 

[Jem.]

larry is amazing.

 

[-DR3W-]

Falco vs. G&W 6-4
what?

 

[DEHF]

yeah I kinda over exaggerated that one, it's probably closer to even.

 

[Albert.]

great thread

What reasons do you think for DDD and DK not getting as badly ***** by Falco?

It just seems that Falco has such hard frame advantage on both characters in basically all situations &&& obviously better camping

Not disagreeing, just curious

 

[-DR3W-]

great thread

What reasons do you think for DDD and DK not getting as badly ***** by Falco?

It just seems that Falco has such hard frame advantage on both characters in basically all situations &&& obviously better camping

Not disagreeing, just curious

With some extremely careful and smart playing they could avoid getting slaughtered. It's not a near-guarenteed win if they choose one of those characters vs Falco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdM1MIArM4g

 

[Teh Future]

larry when will you admit that falco ***** mk and is a much better character?

 

[D Who?]

I think a better question is when will everyone accept that Gannon ***** everyone? He is too raw.

 

[DEHF]

great thread

What reasons do you think for DDD and DK not getting as badly ***** by Falco?

It just seems that Falco has such hard frame advantage on both characters in basically all situations &&& obviously better camping

Not disagreeing, just curious

both characters need to be taken to a pretty high % in order to be killed by Falco and both can kill Falco pretty early. That's mainly it, those characters both have a lot room to make mistakes because of their heavy weight where Falco is fairly light can be kill around 100 or less

larry when will you admit that falco ***** mk and is a much better character?

when falco gets 5 jumps

 

[Choice]

falco should have 5 jumps, a glide, and be able to fly in his ship.

 

[dainbramage]

His up B should call in an arwing and deposit him safely back to the centre of stage.

 

[rsr2]

While shooting two lasers that lock on to the opponent from anywhere.

 

[Laem]

and break his shield and outlast spotdodge.

 

[EpixAura]

His forward smash should be calling up Obama and asking him a favor. A helicopter flies by and picks up Falco to fly him to safety as another helicopter drops a thermonuclear bomb on the stage. This completely destroys the entire stage, and Falco jumps out of the helicopter with a jetpack so he doesn't have to land on the stage. This is advantageous to Falco since the stage was nuked to oblivion.
Frames used in attack: 1

 

[shieldbreaker]

His forward smash should be calling up Obama and asking him a favor. A helicopter flies by and picks up Falco to fly him to safety as another helicopter drops a thermonuclear bomb on the stage. This completely destroys the entire stage, and Falco jumps out of the helicopter with a jetpack so he doesn't have to land on the stage. This is advantageous to Falco since the stage was nuked to oblivion.
Frames used in attack: 1

Sounds more like he should be calling bush to me.

 

[seven7xenon]

His forward smash should be calling up Obama and asking him a favor. A helicopter flies by and picks up Falco to fly him to safety as another helicopter drops a thermonuclear bomb on the stage. This completely destroys the entire stage, and Falco jumps out of the helicopter with a jetpack so he doesn't have to land on the stage. This is advantageous to Falco since the stage was nuked to oblivion.
Frames used in attack: 1

Metaknight would still win, he never needs to touch the stage.

 

[shieldbreaker]

Only if Falco is played by someone terrible... dair is the answer...

 

[EpixAura]

Only if Falco is played by someone terrible... dair is the answer...

No. Dair is not the answer. Dair is the question. And the answer is 'yes.'
But Dair doesn't really work on MK. Lasers and IAPs and Bairs, oh, my!

 

[Shugo-Chan]

/back on topic? xD

Anyone else think that sheik beats falco slightly? I think she does =(. TL seems more like 60-40..idk and what about individual PT mu's? And i'm really curious as to why larry thinks pit is 55-45 or even last time he talked to me on aim in thorough detail .

 

[Slain Avenger]

I think Sheik is evenish, it depends. I have a hard time fighting sheik in small stages, especially if they use zelda to get kills. Not impossible, but you have to be very careful/not get read.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i find it hard to see how pit does good against a lot of the good characters in this game.

 

[@TKbreezy]

wth larry?

pit gets ***** by Falco...**** is definitely 60-40 at best

i think its 65-35 but thats Me

 

[Shugo-Chan]

hmmm well it can't be that bad for pit i dont think lol falco can't camp pit..he has better tools to camp...and i think side b knocks him out of phantasm...um arrows can f*** his recovery..i'm pretty sure pit has a cg on falco as well. Idk what else i'm missing.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He has a Fthrow CG, but it's only at really low % and I don't think it goes that far on Falco.

 

[@TKbreezy]

Look I've Play both sides of the matchup

-Fthrow CG has to be FRAME PERFECT and you will only get like 3-4 anyway...so Fthrow 2x -> shutter step fsmash is better

-Pit doesnt have the ability to keep falco away because his CQC game is lacking compared to falco
2 frame jab > 6 frame jab
falco grab range > pit trying to grab with his elbows

-nobody uses Pit side b...lol

- 2 lazers in 1 short hop > 1 arrow in a short hop

Falco definitely out camps pit

Falco's chaingrab on pit is infinitely better than Pits CG on falco

I think we have a better reflector (At times) but its hard trying to figure out when and when not to reflect

also a refelcted arrow does 11 damage...lol