Q&A Falco Q&A

Scooach · Nov 21, 2009

I have a few questions... I'm relatively new to Falco and can do a few things like pillars and shine bairs and nairs, but I was wondering how should I go about practicing waveshining? Falco's jump is delayed and I can hardly even wavedash with him. Also I'm not a big fan of the C-Stick but I've heard about how much easier it is to use. How should I begin training myself to use it? I've tried and I find I just go back to using the A button either way. Last, what other techs should I ween into my repertoire, and how should I practice those? Thanks for the help.

Hypethug · Nov 22, 2009

That's legit

Tirno · Nov 22, 2009

LAX_ · Nov 22, 2009

Scooach said:
I have a few questions... I'm relatively new to Falco and can do a few things like pillars and shine bairs and nairs, but I was wondering how should I go about practicing waveshining? Falco's jump is delayed and I can hardly even wavedash with him. Also I'm not a big fan of the C-Stick but I've heard about how much easier it is to use. How should I begin training myself to use it? I've tried and I find I just go back to using the A button either way. Last, what other techs should I ween into my repertoire, and how should I practice those? Thanks for the help.

WDing should technically be easier with Falco since it's delayed. i don't know why you can't WD with him but you can with the rest of the cast. Keep practicing i guess.

I used only A for aerials a while ago, and i knew i had to switch. took me less than a couple of days to make the complete switch. just practice shffl dairs with falco all day using only the c-stick. when you are so good at it that you can do it in your sleep, do shffl bairs and uairs (and fairs i guess). then you'll get used to using the c-stick only.

after you get through that, pick lvl1 cpu fox and just keep pillaring them while waveshining after the shine. and yeah there you go.

bolt. · Nov 23, 2009

Should I ever reverse idjdl? It seems like retreating laser would be a lot better and I never see anyone do it in matches, but I maybe I might be missing something useful.

TresChikon · Nov 23, 2009

Retreating lasers are to cover your arse, so why makes yourself even more vulnerable by throwing away your DJ?

Unless they're really far and you want to be cool.

bolt. · Nov 23, 2009

TresChikon said:
Retreating lasers are to cover your arse, so why makes yourself even more vulnerable by throwing away your DJ?

Unless they're really far and you want to be cool.

I know its hella risky, but maybe if I run away and do it on the side of a stage near the edge after the platform ends...

Mogwai · Nov 23, 2009

treschikon is right, it's a bad idea.

in addition to throwing away your DJ, you also kill your SH horizontal momentum by DJing.

bolt. · Nov 23, 2009

Okay, thanks mogwai and tres. =D

Michael_BluFalco · Nov 23, 2009

I Can Drop Down Platform Laser Now, Ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg Auto Win!!!

Mogwai · Nov 23, 2009

I can do it with Isai drops now, but I don't feel like my laser game is that much better for it. I hate this game, there are too many things to work on all the time.

KirbyKaze · Nov 24, 2009

This game's learning curve is gay.

*cuddles Sheik*

Mogwai · Nov 24, 2009

how's that working out for you as you try to ascend to the next level? ^_^

JPOBS · Nov 24, 2009

i cant for the life of me do a isai drop or platform drop to laser well at all.

i stick to plain ole run off lasers lol.

i find im really bad at platform camping lasers though. I have this mental block that because i cant fall through the platform fast enough, i shouldnt be going up there with lasers to begin with. its really strange i cant explain it.

screw this game for havign so many small things that may or may not be important

S l o X · Nov 25, 2009

I can't seem to choose between Red and Blue. Out of Melee, Red is definitely my favorite color and I think the color is just sexy on Falco but Blue definitely goes with FALCO. I'm leaning towards red...(:

KirbyKaze · Nov 25, 2009

Mogwai said:
how's that working out for you as you try to ascend to the next level? ^_^

You make me so sad sometimes.

Roneblaster · Nov 25, 2009

This thread needs more PeePee.

Fortress | Sveet · Nov 25, 2009

S l o X said:
I can't seem to choose between Red and Blue. Out of Melee, Red is definitely my favorite color and I think the color is just sexy on Falco but Blue definitely goes with FALCO. I'm leaning towards red...(:

just get texture hacks and use black falco.

Spife · Nov 25, 2009

Sveet said:
just get texture hacks and use black falco.

or go green.
everyone knows in the real world birds go with green to blend in with the foliage. Although after kills they're covered in blood...blue falco means he's recently been in water there for not taking anything seriously (which would be a good mind game)...

Fortress | Sveet · Nov 25, 2009

in the real world, if you're black people don't **** with you.

*opens a history book*

...

oh... my bad guys.

Mogwai · Nov 25, 2009

lol

I used to play red falco, but now I switch between all the non-red colors. I dunno, red lost his appeal to me.

I have a long *** commute tomorrow for Thanksgiving, I'm thinking about putting some work into a matchup lesson.

Roneblaster · Nov 25, 2009

I just want all the Falco boards to discover mogwai's true genius:

Mogwai said:
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Mogwai · Nov 25, 2009

it's not my picture, Crismas posted it in the TSA thread like, 2 years ago. I just brought it back cause it's ****ing awesome.

Roneblaster · Nov 25, 2009

you're still my hero for finding it

JPOBS · Nov 25, 2009

Sveet said:
just get texture hacks and use black falco.

i use texture hacks and i have to say, black falco is pretty awful.

not because the texture hack itself is ugly, but black and brown just dont suit the character imo.

i also started with red but now i use green in honor of forward.

Michael_BluFalco · Nov 25, 2009

Mogwai said:
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I see integrals, derivatives and some functions. The area under the curve of this sword slash is a pretty big number, I can tell you that.

Dr Peepee · Nov 27, 2009

That picture *****.

Edit: I'm thinking of doing a write-up on Falco vs Falcon because I know that stuff and I don't help out as much as I should.

Thoughts?

AvengerAngel · Nov 27, 2009

Dr Peepee said:
That picture *****.

Edit: I'm thinking of doing a write-up on Falco vs Falcon because I know that stuff and I don't help out as much as I should.

Thoughts?

YAS <333

10yesz

Ben-Teezee · Nov 27, 2009

idk pp even though that matchup is supposed to be **** in falco's favor (i think its just slightly in his favor like 60-40) id much rather see a write up on falco vs jiggs, or falco vs marth since u seemed to be do very well in those matchups (vs m2k at TO5 and beating darc at ROM phantom rests ftw

) thats just my 2 sense i think jiggs is prob one of my favorite matchups even though its the hardest id like to get better at it. im almost maining fox cuz of her.

JPOBS · Nov 27, 2009

falco vs jiggs isnt as hard as many people make it out to be

dont get grabbed
platform camp with dair
look for early Dtilt kills.

peopel should really be more gay vs jiggs, seriously, ever since mogwai recommended platform camping the matchup becomes so much easier for me

Ben-Teezee · Nov 27, 2009

JPOBS said:
falco vs jiggs isnt as hard as many people make it out to be

dont get grabbed
platform camp with dair
look for early Dtilt kills.

peopel should really be more gay vs jiggs, seriously, ever since mogwai recommended platform camping the matchup becomes so much easier for me

yea except that dair did wat? drive her to the ground for 12%? i mean good jiggs players arent stupid, u cant just do the same thing over and over and expect to get away with it, i actually think dtilt is surprisingly hard to land, and um dont get grabbed.... yea real simple.

im not trying to discredit ur advice just saying it was pretty generalized and could be said about any matchup vs a floaty, its like saying oh dont get gimped! well like duh? doesnt help me much.

Ballistics · Nov 27, 2009

JPOBS said:
falco vs jiggs isnt as hard as many people make it out to be

dont get grabbed
platform camp with dair
look for early Dtilt kills.

peopel should really be more gay vs jiggs, seriously, ever since mogwai recommended platform camping the matchup becomes so much easier for me

hmm play hungrybox and say that again

Dr Peepee · Nov 27, 2009

Yeah Hbox is amazing vs Falco. =(

I can talk about Marth too, but I'm not AS solid at it as Falcon. Jiggz is kinda.....eh. I'll do what I know on that one too if anyone cares.

The only reason I volunteered to talk about Falcon was because I see good Falcos making small mistakes which cost them heavily in a very momentum-based matchup.

W.A.S.T.E. · Nov 27, 2009

Dr Peepee said:
Yeah Hbox is amazing vs Falco. =(

I can talk about Marth too, but I'm not AS solid at it as Falcon. Jiggz is kinda.....eh. I'll do what I know on that one too if anyone cares.

The only reason I volunteered to talk about Falcon was because I see good Falcos making small mistakes which cost them heavily in a very momentum-based matchup.

Do it please. I've suffered one too many severe whoopings at the hands of Falcons.

stabbedbyanipple · Nov 27, 2009

Can you explain how to stage strike/CP with the pound 4 ruleset?

S l o X · Nov 27, 2009

Sveet said:
just get texture hacks and use black falco.

hahah :D don't know how to use texture hacks on melee but sounds win...black falco that is.

gonna use red, because its ****.

Stratford · Nov 27, 2009

Dr Peepee said:
That picture *****.

Edit: I'm thinking of doing a write-up on Falco vs Falcon because I know that stuff and I don't help out as much as I should.

Thoughts?

Absolutely. You do know that stuff. I'd definitely be interested to hear what you have to say about Puff too.

LAX_ · Nov 27, 2009

ok so after messing around with a bunch of characters i'm back to maining falco again (yay) but i'm still having trouble with some basic stuff.

i seriously can't do the ledgehop->double lasers (at the same height). in fact, the only way i can even get double lasers is if i grab the ledge, fall, and immediately jump laser laser, but the first laser is really high (fox would punish me badly). i've tried delaying the jump after falling off the ledge but then i can get only 1 laser (and after the laser i end up phantasm-ing towards the stage lol).

also for RSHL: let's say i am on FD and i am running to the right. when i try to RSHL, i SHL so the laser goes left (so far so good) but i stay in place and have no momentum (basically wherever i start the SHL i stop and i don't continue to drift to the right). but everytime i try and do the RSHL (with momentum) i phantasm. i have done it a couple of times by accident but i have no idea how. what am i doing wrong? (P.S. do you fast fall it?)

also i can waveshine without hitting anything practically perfectly, but i can only do it like 50% of the time with hitlag. like when i am comboing fox with the dair->shine->wavedash->dair etc. etc. , i end up just short hopping out of the shine rather than waveshining. am i hitting L too early?

1 other thing. for shield pressure i usually do shffl dair->shine repeat, but i have seen shffl nair->shine repeat. which is more effective? at first i thought it was absolutely dair, but nair does do more damage (and less lag), and isn't shield stun related to damage?

THANKS.

Dr Peepee · Nov 27, 2009

Okay, so I just wrote lots of Falcon stuff, but I'm not done yet. Where should I post it all when I'm done? In a new thread or in here?

Fortress | Sveet · Nov 27, 2009

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