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What are the pros and cons of using nair shine as opposed to dair shine to end a shl approach?
I watched the Silent Spectre vs Zhu set from Mango Juice and Zhu seemed to do a lot of nair shines. I was wondering if it is a versus falcon thing or more of a generic strategy.
also, I wrote a whole little section in the approaching lesson in the first post about it. I'll reformat that for easier reading tonight.
If you're patient and know the timing for l cancels when you hit their shield, he does just fine. It's like, close to even, I'd say a little in Falcos favor on non-FD stages as long as you're comfortable in the matchup.
it's an "ask ___ questions" thread, no need to appologize for asking a question
they're all fine vs. ICs, even M2. I'd say that Falcon is the best out of them if you don't mess up tech since he just spaces for awhile and then kills them every time he hits. Marth has the most control of the matchup of all those characters, but modern ICs vs. Marth doesn't seem as lopsided as it once was. M2 is just weird and doesn't get horrendously ***** by typically ICs, stuff, but at the end of the day, he's still a bad character and they're not, so I wouldn't pick him, you get grabbed at like 60 and you're dead to usmash. Nana's just really bad and blocking nair, lol. Falco you just play super patient until you kill nana and then exploit your awesomeness over PoPo's mediocrity.
pick one of those two characters and spam fair (intelligently spaced).
yea, sure.
you probably can as long as you smash DI into the stage to generate the getting-knocked-into-a-wall animation, at which point you can ledge tech.
SS vs wobbles
Yea I just recently watched the match. I could feel all the anger thru youtube lol
uh, watch any videos of any half decent Falco from whenever, and you'll get some ideas. I mean, any time you're really close to them, you should probably be shining since it, you know, comes out in 1 frame, can be canceled mad early, and sets up all your combos.
yes, that's what hit lag is.
if you're not shield pressuring a lot, then no. in shield pressure situations, frame perfect multishining leaves only 2 frames out of shield stun as opposed to 10 in frame perfect pillaring and I think 5 for JC grab.
yea, I wrote something about this somewhere, but essentially, most players have wired their reactions to shield pressure based on the number of hits. Since they're used to standard pillaring a double shine pillar will hit their reaction out of shield or they're rolling, either of which is good for you. Of course, eventually people will adapt, but at that point, you can go back to standard pillar and it's just a way to keep them guessing when you hit their shield.
you mean that thing where he grabs in the startup frames of the forward B? If so, I think JF is right, but am not 100% sure.
Shine hits them up and DI left and right heavily influences continuing the combo. You need to be able to read the direction they DI almost instantly and react with more dair shines.
i meant like, a height where if i illusioned to grab the ledge, it'd be impossible for like.. peachs downsmash or marths forward smash to hit me
I mean maybe hes never seen it b4 lol and doesnt kno how it should look. Even if its relatively simple. Its a bad idea if ur not good at it.
