Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Max?]

Alrighty, so I have two tourney sets that I would love feedback on if you guys are willing to

Me vs. Stric9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHpC__eNMd4&feature=feedu

Enjoy watching me throw away my 2-0, and then give him the OPTION to CHOOSE where I will cp him. I really want to win my tournament sets I guess.

Me vs. Swiftbass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYERFOubSOE&feature=channel_video_title

Not too much to say about this one, I got *****. In all fairness, my 1st game vs. swift was probably my 5th game of the day total, but this was how our set played out last time as well (Sheik and all ).

So yeah, go ahead, troll, enlighten me, whatever it is.

Thanks tho

 

[VGmasta]

"There will forever be salt!" lol
Wow, you really did throw away that 2-0 against Stric9. But oh well, -ish happens man.

I'm kinda sleepy right now but I'll post my opinions later. But I'd like to say great job on banning Kongo Jungle if that was you who banned that stage. I had an awful match there against Falco. The stage makes the matchup 70-30 in Falco's favor. It sucks that we have to waste a ban on such a ******* stage, but that's just how great Doc has it in tournament. (Still baffled that Shroomed got 9th at Pound 5, smh)

 

[Shroomed]

i'll do it tomoro cuz the gym destroyed me today somehow

EDIT: why so surprised ricky! everyone thinks im bad =(

 

[Max?]

I think he's more baffled because "Doc is bad". Which is only a half truth.

 

[SmashMac]

i'll do it tomoro cuz the gym destroyed me today somehow

EDIT: why so surprised ricky! everyone thinks im bad =(

Nah I'm really glad you've shown Doc.'s true potential bro. 9th at Pound V with Doc. is impressive. The best I've done at a huge national was like 25th or 33rd place at APEX but once I start going to more nationals I'm sure I'll place better than that.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Doc *****. Even the Sheik matchup is doable.

Spoiler

Not really. But Doc is priy gud

 

[Shroomed]

Sheik is easy until ur playing chase the sheik

most notable against m2k

but otherwise sheik isn't that difficult at all

 

[Max?]

So about that critique shroomey boy

 

[Shroomed]

Lol, surfing amashboards in class atm....after I'm out I got u

 

[BigWenz]

Sheik is easy until ur playing chase the sheik

most notable against m2k

but otherwise sheik isn't that difficult at all

i really wish id seen ur match verse tope, or at least it was recorded cause im not gonna lie, i didn think u could beat tope's sheik in all its gayness.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Tope lacks experience vs best players of their characters.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

Tope lacks experience vs best players of their characters.

I guess thats kinda true since I haven't lost to Tope in tournament using Mario I believe, or at least have a winning record. Tope is still mad beast so it doesn't matter.

 

[VGmasta]

why so surprised ricky! everyone thinks im bad =(

I think he's more baffled because "Doc is bad". Which is only a half truth.

Exactly! Shroomed is definitely good. But Doc still sucks against all these characters. So to place so far in a tournament against highly skilled players who use super characters just doesn't seem feasible.

 

[boss8]

doc is as good as u make him IMO....

though he does have limits....

 

[VGmasta]

I don't know mayne, I'm not convinced. I remember when I thought Doc could go beyond mediocre ratings. But now... nahh.

Some of these hitboxes are just plain pathetic. And Doc's too slow in the air. He takes too long to fall back to the ground and he can barely defend himself from below. So he might lose a stock for goin' in the air. Lame.

And his recovery lacks horizontal range. So he can't afford to be hit out of jump at all if he's got any kind of percent. The only two high tier characters I can think of that have really terrible recoveries would be Falco and Falcon. But at least they have greater offensive tools to make up for bad recoveries.

 

[SmashMac]

All I know is that Doc.'s recovery doesn't suck. It's beast if you do it right.

 

[Shroomed]

alrite otg

ur biggest problem i think is you don't punish hard enough off ur grabs at all
u actually get a lot more grabs than i ever seem to but you don't do enough off of them

and vs that falco you could've invul waveland dsmashd him quite a few times cuz he doesn't properly space himself

also, don't stand there when he's lasering....i try a mix between powershield/cape, but you can't jus allow him to be lasering freely

and you gotta DI that fox usmash man! i saw 2 or 3 you could've lived thru
and you jus gotta try to live more in general, i normally average like 150% a stock

jus get **** off ur grabs

and doc does suck, ESPECIALLY his recovery lol

 

[SmashMac]

and doc does suck, ESPECIALLY his recovery lol

It seems like you and Dogy agree about Doc.'s recovery. Then again, not many Doc.'s PTP perfectly in the first place. The PTP is probably 45% of Doc.'s recovery, DI being about 50% of it. If you aren't at least very good with PTPing, you'll probably get ***** off-stage and yes I can see then why EVERYONE besides me apparently says Doc.'s recovery is bad.

 

[Max?]

Good **** shroomed, I'll work on it.

 

[ranmaru]

god this skin and I play doc so now I can't say doc without getting the meaning correctly lol.

 

[Shroomed]

man, this rebecca black **** is annoying

 

[Ministry]

I'm really frustrated with Sheik right now so I think I'm going to main Doc for a while. I'm just tired of being CGed in dittos with KirbyKaze. He plays like such a ***.

 

[VGmasta]

I'm really frustrated with Sheik right now so I think I'm going to main Doc for a while. I'm just tired of being CGed in dittos with KirbyKaze. He plays like such a ***.

I doubt Doc is going to be the solution to Sheik overall, especially if we're talking about vs KirbyKaze. Sheik's a tough matchup for Doc. Seems like you have to do alot of guessing vs Sheik, and Doc gets punished terribly for guessing wrong. I don't know how long Sheik's chaingrab lasts in Sheik dittos, but the chaingrab doesn't last terribly long on Doc for Sheik. But he's still Sheik's combo food.

 

[Shroomed]

sheik difficulty in my experience:

m2k, lucien/kirbykaze

good luck with doc man lol
if you don't actually play doc sheiks will eat you

usmash OOS that ftilt tho!

i meant to tell you this as well OTG, anytime sheik touches you and ur sub 50% you should be CCing

lucien makes it a point to rack damage up on me with spaced bairs needles and grabs before he starts ftliting jabbing and such

 

[Max?]

Word, I need to make it a point to CC more in general. Is there no way to punish spaced bair?

And good to know that you can Usmash OOS her ftilt, I'm going to try that out tonight.

 

[tacoz42]

Just another doc main here looking for advice.

sheik difficulty in my experience:

m2k, lucien/kirbykaze

good luck with doc man lol
if you don't actually play doc sheiks will eat you

usmash OOS that ftilt tho!

i meant to tell you this as well OTG, anytime sheik touches you and ur sub 50% you should be CCing

lucien makes it a point to rack damage up on me with spaced bairs needles and grabs before he starts ftliting jabbing and such

Can you usmash oos the ftilt even if sheik spaces it properly? In your GF set with lucien, you dthrow --> pivot usmash. Why? covering both DI options?

 

[Shroomed]

well its best to hit with the back of ur head so you don't have to wait for doc's face to roll all the way around his body for the hitbox

and it's literally impossible to punish a spaced bair, even if they don't L cancel it they have enough time to jump or something....jus like marth's fair

it takes like perfect spacing to not be able to usmash OOS the ftilt
but if they move away after the ftilt u'll miss, i normally do it if i think they're gonna stay in place or try to come closer to me

when sheik ftilts it extends her hurtbox or w/e so you can hit her
normally when i do it they try to ftilt a second time and my usmash normally clanks/beats it

 

[KirbyKaze]

I should have played gayer in our friendlies >=[

 

[Shroomed]

We can have a rematch at genesis bro.

MM it up man!

 

[Max?]

$5 on Shroomed.

 

[Shroomed]

I'm going hard at Genesis guys. Prepare to be impressed. I'm not going to drink, I'm going to be one of those b*tches that goes to bed at 10pm so I'm fully rested and all that.

Top 5 or I quit this game.

 

[Max?]

Watch you go 0-2. I seriously feel the less someone cares about this game, the better they do. Get drunk as **** the night before, and don't even bring your controller, then you'll win.

 

[Shroomed]

I did that at Pound 5. Lost to blunted object first round! Hangover/no sleep johns. Not to take anything away from Blunted Object, but I beat Zhu later on and Zhu is a more consistent falco that has a TON more experience vs Doc.

Hungover Shroomed needs a few hours to get up to speed.

 

[XAQ]

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[VGmasta]

Shroomed got 9th at Pound?! With.... Dr Mario?!
But... What... How... Ughh!

Seriously having a difficult time finding as to why I can't place at least half as decent at easier tournaments. I know Florida is a good region, but we aren't impossible to defeat.
(scratches hair and shakes head in skeptism and disbelief)

 

[boss8]

dnt wry brah.....i also play terrible in my region.....when this region is pretty free.....

 

[Max?]

I dont know what you guys are doing wrong, my region is hard as hell but I do good. And look at that ***** shroomed! ****** WC tournies and beating Lucky and ****. Step it up!

 

[Shroomed]

It's because all of you play too safe. GO BALLS DEEP!!!!

But seriously, less pills more ****

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Shroomed got 9th at Pound?! With.... Dr Mario?!
But... What... How... Ughh!

Seriously having a difficult time finding as to why I can't place at least half as decent at easier tournaments. I know Florida is a good region, but we aren't impossible to defeat.
(scratches hair and shakes head in skeptism and disbelief)

it's not a complicated thing, it's just because you aren't as good as shroomed lol.

all you can really do is get better

 

[ChivalRuse]

Why do Doc players like to d-smash shields? It's such a scrubby decision, yet they always do it (bad ones, which is, like, most Docs lol).