Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[chocolatejr9]

True, Sakurai did go through the effort of editing 100+ stages since he's the embodiment of Japanese work culture and thus will never take a break no matter how much Westerners beg for it, but a cameo would only mean editing one stage.

Or WOULD IT?

cue X-Files theme

 

[PeridotGX]

Here's what I'd do. This is more what I meant.

FP10: Regigigas. In addition to it's own stage, Pokemon Stadium 1 gets a new variant themed around the Steel type, and Pokemon Stadium 2 gets a variant themed around the Dragon type (those are the only Regi types without a stadium variant).

FP11: X (Mega Man). Zero gets a few new attacks, themed around later games in the X series.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I'm not sure if the Archer leak was shared here. It's probably fake (it's really similar to Mandycan leak). Basically a twitter user, Archer, said that the last two fighters are Dante and Arthur Morgan (from Red dead). If you look at his past tweet, he leaked Sephiroth, challenger pack 9 would be first party and Monster hunter would be a costume with challenger pack 9. He also said that a Dovahkiin mii costume is coming in the next wave (so with Dante probably according to him).

Wasn't that debunked because he used the same Twitter trick as Mandycan?

 

[Perkilator]

ok, but i mean changes. cloud got a new final smash, and Rex got an upgraded form and a new battle.

Oh, okay.

For Eggman, I was thinking could get some Encore colors with cameos from Classic Tails and Knuckles, Mighty and Ray.

 

[chocolatejr9]

In Nintendo news, the acquisition of Next Level Games has become official-er:

Next Level Games is Nintendo's first studio acquisition since Monolith Soft. If Nintendo can help grow Next Level Games, just as they did with Monolith Soft that will be a big win.

Studios that can make games like Luigi's Mansion 3 don't grow on trees.

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) March 21, 2021

Really do wonder what they're gonna make next. I remember they had a job posting at one point not too long ago, so they seem to be taking advantage of the acquisition.

Also, a bit random, but does the robot they use as a mascot have a name? I've thought about making a somewhat-jokish support thread for it, but I don't feel comfortable calling it "Next Level Games Robot". Too much of a mouthfull...

 

[Guynamednelson]

Zero gets a few new attacks, themed around later games in the X series

Zero is already one of the most complex assists, does he really need more?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I just noticed that the past two characters have significantly impacted a piece of base game content: Sephiroth impacted a fighter (Cloud), and Pythra impacted a spirit (Rex).

Let's say this pattern continues. add a character who significantly impacts a base game stage and a character who impacts an assist.

Octoling making the Squid Sisters AT randomly make Off The Hook appear instead? Yes please!

 

[Speed Weed]

In Nintendo news, the acquisition of Next Level Games has become official-er:

Next Level Games is Nintendo's first studio acquisition since Monolith Soft. If Nintendo can help grow Next Level Games, just as they did with Monolith Soft that will be a big win.

Studios that can make games like Luigi's Mansion 3 don't grow on trees.

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) March 21, 2021

Really do wonder what they're gonna make next. I remember they had a job posting at one point not too long ago, so they seem to be taking advantage of the acquisition.

Also, a bit random, but does the robot they use as a mascot have a name? I've thought about making a somewhat-jokish support thread for it, but I don't feel comfortable calling it "Next Level Games Robot". Too much of a mouthfull...

im tellin yall

this is how we get punch-out switch

please

 

[chocolatejr9]

im tellin yall

this is how we get punch-out switch

please
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I, for one, had heard theories about a StarTropics revival...

 

[3BitSaurus]

Zero is already one of the most complex assists, does he really need more?

Yes.

Even if he isn't playable, Zero must be as busted as if he were. Hey, don't look at me, I don't make the rules.

 

[Technomage]

Miss Pac-Man isn't even a spirit come to think of it.

Heck, we dont have anything aside from the OG game and Pac-Land.

And it's also because of Namco's policy of not having their characters shown as or implied to be dead; just look at the trivia of this wiki article to see that I'm not making that up:

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL Dairantō Sumasshu Burazāzu Supesharu) is the sixth installment in Super Smash Bros. series (fifth if both versions of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U are considered the same game). It was developed by Sora Ltd. and Bandai Namco...

pacman.fandom.com

 

[SnowClaws]

Also, a bit random, but does the robot they use as a mascot have a name? I've thought about making a somewhat-jokish support thread for it, but I don't feel comfortable calling it "Next Level Games Robot". Too much of a mouthfull...

The story behind the #Eggman logo & more!.. Our interview with @AlwaysNintendo
http://t.co/tWdtgrrSz2

— Next Level Games (@nextlevelgames) July 7, 2014

(Note: Do not click the following link in the tweet, SPAM or VIRUS)

The mascot is called "Eggman", also sometime referred to as the "Egg" in the image file. Source: 1, 2, 3

 

[chocolatejr9]

The story behind the #Eggman logo & more!.. Our interview with @AlwaysNintendo
http://t.co/tWdtgrrSz2

— Next Level Games (@nextlevelgames) July 7, 2014

(Note: Do not click the following link in the tweet, SPAM or VIRUS)

The mascot is called "Eggman", also sometime referred to as the "Egg" in the image file. Source: 1, 2, 3

Well, what a coincidence! We've been calling Eggman a shoo-in ever since Sephiroth!

 

[PeridotGX]

Zero is already one of the most complex assists, does he really need more?

I was kinda scrambling to think of anything, there were suprisingly few ATs I think need work

 

[Perkilator]

And it's also because of Namco's policy of not having their characters shown as or implied to be dead; just look at the trivia of this wiki article to see that I'm not making that up:

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL Dairantō Sumasshu Burazāzu Supesharu) is the sixth installment in Super Smash Bros. series (fifth if both versions of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U are considered the same game). It was developed by Sora Ltd. and Bandai Namco...

pacman.fandom.com

…WHAT?! Spirits aren’t even traditionally dead! What in the Sam Hill is this?!

 

[Technomage]

…WHAT?! Spirits aren’t even traditionally dead! What in the Sam Hill is this?!

Oh wait, it said that the rule is SPECTULATED to be a thing; my mistake. ^^;

 

[chocolatejr9]

Oh wait, it said that the rule is SPECTULATED to be a thing; my mistake. ^^;

That WOULD explain a few things, though...

Then again, Mii Costumes are basically skinning the character alive, so shrugs.

 

[Technomage]

That WOULD explain a few things, though...

Then again, Mii Costumes are basically skinning the character alive, so shrugs.

Who says they had to be alive to be skinned?

 

[chocolatejr9]

Who says they had to be alive to be skinned?

I mean, how else were they gonna get young Heihachi?

 

[Speed Weed]

I, for one, had heard theories about a StarTropics revival...

Now that you mention it, a western studio like NLG and Retro would theoretically be our only hope for a StarTropics revival, since it outright never released in Japan and thus has pretty much gotten nothing on that side of Nintendo

 

[SpectreJordan]

Don't believe it for a second (it would be, what, the third fake leak that correctly guessed Sephiroth?), but I have to say I'd be okay if it was true just because Arthur would be such a bonkers ending, even if I have no connection to RDR. I don't think anyone expects a Rockstar rep, much less Arthur.

That said, I'd still scratch my head as to why they went with RDR and not GTA.



Technically, Steve already impacted stages, but I'm assuming you mean stage cameos on a preexisting stage.

Uh... I'm going with Tails for stage cameo and Waluigi for AT.

Because Red Dead is better.

 

[Jocario Zero]

I just watched all the ads about Segata Sanshiro on youtube (Rie Sonomura ,I blame you ^^) and now I really want to see this guy as a mii brawler costume (and yes including his theme song!)

 

[Dinoman96]

It's always weird thinking about the IPs Nintendo published/owns (or at least owned at one point), and yet didn't bother releasing in their home country.

Stuff like Geist, Killer Instinct, Tinstar, Uniracer, and Startropics. The latter is really weird because whereas most of those other ones were made by western third party partners, ST was actually made by one of Nintendo's core development teams in Japan, the same crew responsible for the Punch-Out!! series of games, and yet it has never once ever been officially released in Japan, not even through a ROM dump on their VC/NSO, like how we got Panel de Pon and Mysterious Murasame Castle on our services.

 

[Speed Weed]

It's always weird thinking about the IPs Nintendo published/owns (or at least owned at one point), and yet didn't bother releasing in their home country.

Stuff like Geist, Killer Instinct, Tinstar, Uniracer, and Startropics. The latter is really weird because whereas most of those other ones were made by third party partners, ST was actually made by one of Nintendo's core development teams in Japan, the same crew responsible for the Punch-Out!! series of games, and yet it has never once ever been officially released in Japan, not even through a ROM dump on their VC/NSO, like how we got Panel de Pon and Mysterious Murasame Castle on our services.

People have thrown around the theory that NoJ just holds this grudge against R&D3 and Genyo Takeda's experiments at appealing to a specifically Western audience like StarTropics or Pilotwings 64 (which did release in Japan!), but I don't fully buy it considering one of these experiments was Punch-Out - something that they're clearly not shy about acknowledging.

One that I do find at least a bit more plausible - because it actually connects with StarTropics not having released in Japan, and would also at the very least explain its lack of Smash appearances - is one I've read in the Mike thread: from the original poster's experience, apparently StarTropics' existence is HORRENDOUSLY documented in Japan. Like, so badly documented that it's possible the "spirit team", in their extensive research of Nintendo's release history (per what we've been told by Sakurai), still wouldn't have come across any documentation of the games.

Where it gets iffy is the fact you mentioned that Nintendo themselves haven't bothered to release it in Japan. Sora Ltd. is one thing, but for this theory to still be in play here, that would imply that StarTropics' lack of documentation over there would actually extend to the internal offices of Nintendo. Which if you ask me, yeah I don't really believe that. Even with all this I've said, that seems like a step too far IMO.

So with all this taken into consideration, I've come to the possible conclusion that in the Smash devs' case, they legit don't know about it, and in Nintendo themselves' case, they simply do not give a ****. I don't see them holding a petty grudge like this, so I think they just really don't care.

 

[7NATOR]

I posted this in the Tails Thread, but I think I should post it here too

This video has 182 Million views. That means at least 182 Million people are familiar with Eggman, Tails, Shadow. I've not seen a Video with Sephiroth that was this big

I only say this because Sometimes, I think the idea of Another Sonic character, whether it be Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles is heavily undermined. Not only are these characters heavily well known, but ALOT of people have been wanting to see them in Smash for a long time, especially the latter 3. Eggman being this popular in Speculation is more recent, But I won't get on him because how important he is to the Franchise, and he was in the movie, which did get in New Sonic fans

There's no Downside to adding in Another Sonic character to Smash, especially since Sega is known to license out the Sonic I.P like candy at times. If we can get Sephiroth. We can definitely get a character like Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

 

[PeridotGX]

if we're gonna use youtube to make a point, I'm gonna once again share this video

This song has a truly nice amount of views, more than even the original from Steven Universe.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

im tellin yall

this is how we get punch-out switch

please
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Cries in F-Zero revival

 

[chocolatejr9]

I posted this in the Tails Thread, but I think I should post it here too

This video has 182 Million views. That means at least 182 Million people are familiar with Eggman, Tails, Shadow. I've not seen a Video with Sephiroth that was this big

I only say this because Sometimes, I think the idea of Another Sonic character, whether it be Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles is heavily undermined. Not only are these characters heavily well known, but ALOT of people have been wanting to see them in Smash for a long time, especially the latter 3. Eggman being this popular in Speculation is more recent, But I won't get on him because how important he is to the Franchise, and he was in the movie, which did get in New Sonic fans

There's no Downside to adding in Another Sonic character to Smash, especially since Sega is known to license out the Sonic I.P like candy at times. If we can get Sephiroth. We can definitely get a character like Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

I don't know if Youtube views is a very good determining factor...

 

[epicmartin7]

I don't know if this helps our speculations or not but I'll just post here because I find it interesting.

Weekly sales of Smash SP (Ultimate) reported by Famitsu since its release and the dropping points of each DLCs.
The x-axis shows the week counts and the y-axis shows the number of sales (x10k). I think 2018 sales reach over the 70k point so basically the chart starts from 2019.

Does the graph come from the magazine itself? Or was the data compiled seperately?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Speaking of Eggman, Delzethin's looking at old Robotnik himself for his next Smash character analysis.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Speaking of Eggman, Delzethin's looking at old Robotnik himself for his next Smash character analysis.

I thought Delzethin was frowned upon for the most part here?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I was not honestly aware of that. While his speculation about fighter's chances is meh, I do think he's pretty effective at creating interesting and practical movesets for potential fighters.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I was not honestly aware of that. While his speculation about fighter's chances is meh, I do think he's pretty effective at creating interesting and practical movesets for potential fighters.

I agree, I just remember some folks not necessarily thinking of him too highly. Might just be one of those fake memories that pop up every so often.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I thought Delzethin was frowned upon for the most part here?

Not really. It was mostly just Cutie Gwen talking about how Delzethin got mad Incineroar was in Smash.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Not really. It was mostly just Cutie Gwen talking about how Delzethin got mad Incineroar was in Smash.

Ah, right, he was salty it wasn’t Lycanroc...

 

[Otoad64]

Ah, right, he was salty it wasn’t Lycanroc...

hey, if I wanted Lycanroc, I would be too seeing as that was pretty much his only chance

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I agree, I just remember some folks not necessarily thinking of him too highly. Might just be one of those fake memories that pop up every so often.

To note, his speculation isn't taken that seriously(not just by Cutie Gwen), though it's a bit exaggerated.

So it's not really a fake memory.

 

[Shroob]

We out here posting Newgrounds animation view counts as a reason that a character could get in?

 

[SharkLord]

We out here posting Newgrounds animation view counts as a reason that a character could get in?

For your information good sir, it's actually YOUTUBE viewcounts

 

[Shroob]

I posted this in the Tails Thread, but I think I should post it here too

This video has 182 Million views. That means at least 182 Million people are familiar with Eggman, Tails, Shadow. I've not seen a Video with Sephiroth that was this big

I only say this because Sometimes, I think the idea of Another Sonic character, whether it be Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles is heavily undermined. Not only are these characters heavily well known, but ALOT of people have been wanting to see them in Smash for a long time, especially the latter 3. Eggman being this popular in Speculation is more recent, But I won't get on him because how important he is to the Franchise, and he was in the movie, which did get in New Sonic fans

There's no Downside to adding in Another Sonic character to Smash, especially since Sega is known to license out the Sonic I.P like candy at times. If we can get Sephiroth. We can definitely get a character like Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

Mate, this logic is terrible.


One-Winged Angel's most viewed, that I can find at least, video on YouTube has like 16 million views.


Meanwhile, I can find TONS of Touhou videos that either match or surpass that viewcount. Does that mean Touhou is more well known than FF7?