Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Schnee117]

👀 https://t.co/0251e1kBnt

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 22, 2021

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have our E3 reveal

Oh yeah

He's obviously hinting at Tony Hawk getting in with an Officer **** alt as played by Jablinski Gaming and Doomguy, Darth Maul and Wolverine mii costumes

It's all coming together

 

[rexfan53]

Here's an thought: what if they swapped some of the FP characters around?

As in, this was our first pass:

And this was our second pass: (you are here)

Back in 2018/2019 it always did bother me how Sakurai said that ARMS and Xenoblade 2 simply missed the boat for the base game and yet they were both seemingly ruled out for the first Fighters Pass, and then to add more salt to the wound we instead got Byleth.

Of course now they went back to those other games but it just seems kinda odd Nintendo didn't fast track them for the first pass after missing out on the base game.

I'm pretty sure they move around characters based on how development is doing and prioritize the character that is going best. Trailers are also made early or storyboarded early and we know that because sakurai talked about sephiroths trailer being done before ff7 remake came out. That is also why previous fp2 dlc don't appear in new fp2 dlc trailers. Surprised sephiroth wasnt in p+ms trailer for a jin reference

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Here's an thought: what if they swapped some of the FP characters around?

As in, this was our first pass:

And this was our second pass: (you are here)

Back in 2018/2019 it always did bother me how Sakurai said that ARMS and Xenoblade 2 simply missed the boat for the base game and yet they were both seemingly ruled out for the first Fighters Pass, and then to add more salt to the wound we instead got Byleth.

Of course now they went back to those other games but it just seems kinda odd Nintendo didn't fast track them for the first pass after missing out on the base game.

How about this?

First pass:
Second pass:

Then we play a game called "Who is leaving smash speculation in Fighter Pass 2?"

 

[TheCJBrine]

Now Kirby on the other hand, can literally promote every game in it's series, since it is always the protagonist

>”it”

Kirby had never seen such disrespect.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

My one prediction I firmly believe is that we will get one more third party and one more first party. I think they are going for an even split ratio.

 

[SKX31]

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have our E3 reveal

To whoever leaked him:

Better late than never.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Listen the "must originate in a video game" rule might be worth breaking if we can get get the 900 as a final Smash, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Lionfranky]

Yeah, that's understandable on it's own. Thing is, the Xbox never really settled down in Japan. I'm sure there's people who'd be stoked with him over in Japan, but if we're going for the most satisfactory duo period, I feel like MC would need an earth-shaker for Japan to balance him out. Crash is decently popular over there, but he doesn't quite hit the same level for them. That's why I think them as the final two wouldn't fulfill the most well-received duo, as the largest chunk of their popularity comes from the West.

Granted, it's almost impossible to pinpoint the exact best-received pair, so...

360 wasn't so bad there. There are plenty of clues that Halo has decent following there.

3.8 million (Japanese sales of Ultimate) out of 20 million is impressive number... but that's far away from majority. I feel this is like US electoral college bs.

 

[rexfan53]

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Kirby had never seen such disrespect.

Is Kirby not a genderless alien????

 

[chocolatejr9]

Is Kirby not a genderless alien????

I'm pretty sure Kirby is confirmed to be male...

 

[TheCJBrine]

Has this been discussed before? If not, then what do you think of this?

Depends on whether the people in that thread were upset over the possibility of more 1st-parties or the idea of more 3rd-parties.

Is Kirby not a genderless alien????

Tbh I'm not sure how his gender is handled in Japan, but he's said to be a boy everywhere else. I don't remember the specifics in Japan and how gender is handled in the Japanese language.

 

[Otoad64]

Is Kirby not a genderless alien????

Kirby is a he, tyvm

 

[cashregister9]

Nintendo Social Media guy off the ****s

C’mon Crash make it happen for @TonyHawkTheGame!

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 22, 2021

 

[RGFS]

Flashback to 4chan Steveposting

Man that was cursed...

Why Nintendo didn't Smashify Steve (and some ways they could have!)

We imagine what Steve could have looked like in Smash if Nintendo decided to give him a visual upgrade.#SmashBrosUltimate #Smashified #MinecraftSteveSupport...

youtu.be

I do kinda like the thought process Curiomatic went through within this video. I do prefer what Smash did but I would've appreciated some things they came up with.

 

[rexfan53]

My one prediction I firmly believe is that we will get one more third party and one more first party. I think they are going for an even split ratio.

If they want it to be even, I'm betting 2 more 1st parties since we have 6 third parties and 4 first parties. That would truly even it out and match up with what imran khan said about fp2

 

[TheCJBrine]

what if this means Little Lungs from that ad featuring Tony Hawk are in Smash.

 

[JustASora/CrashSupporter]

He also said this.

He said this before what I posted. It's possible that at that time he didn't know any information.

 

[rexfan53]

I'm pretty sure Kirby is confirmed to be male...

I looked it up, localized he is a male but in japan Kirbys gender isnt talked about

 

[Perkilator]

If they want it to be even, I'm betting 2 more 1st parties since we have 6 third parties and 4 first parties. That would truly even it out and match up with what imran khan said about fp2

Actually, we'd have 6 third parties and 5 first parties.

But I'm still expecting an even split for Vol. 2. What you suggested isn't really balanced at all in the Vol. 2 context.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

The "literal who" to end all "literal who"s

Did you not realize how famous Tony Hawk is, or was that a reference to him not being recognized on Twitter?

The characters I mentioned could not fit in together at all. Colors and being less realistic don't equal a coherent artsyle or universe.

Coherence of an artstyle is not a binary quality. Elements can fit in/cohere perfectly, well, not well, not at all, etc.

Even by that logic, Snake and Bayonetta ruin it and you can't just act like they don't exist. Most may be colorful and bright but some also just aren't. Sephiroth, ROB, G&W, and Ganondorf aren't realistic really but they also aren't colorful.

Smash doesn't care much about artstyle as long as it gets slightly Smashififed or already works fine enough. It's all about having these characters together as pure as they can get. And when it comes to looking at what isn't a fighter, spirits like Resident Evil shouldn't even be allowed in Smash by your logic.

I haven't been arguing that Smash uniformly follows these design principles or that the chances of prospective characters are influenced by them.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I found an old tweet from PushDustIn regarding Kirby's gender in Japanese:

Sakurai has indeed said that Kirby's was genderless.
However, I believe HAL has used "he" (彼) on post Sakurai games (in instruction manuals and websites), and it was used in the anime. https://t.co/UzvWKGo2UZ

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) March 9, 2019

Sakurai himself seemed to keep Kirby's gender a mystery at least a long time ago:

Things You May Not Know About Jigglypuff

6 things you may not know about Jigglypuff!

sourcegaming.info

 

[rexfan53]

Actually, we'd have 6 third parties and 5 first parties.

But I'm still expecting an even split for Vol. 2. What you suggested isn't really balanced at all in the Vol. 2 context.

Piranha plant makes it 6 first parties. Also it would be pretty balanced if you add the first set of dlc before they announced more in development which is plant standalone +fp1
You get 2 1st parties, and 4 3rd parties. Pass 2 could be 2 3rd parties, and 4 1st parties

 

[PeridotGX]

I've been thinking about a hypothetical Papyrus moveset, and I'm wondering if it would be tacky for him to get Sans's gravity manipulation? It would hardly be a core part of the moveset, but I think it'd work fine for the grabs.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Nintendo Social Media guy off the ****s

C’mon Crash make it happen for @TonyHawkTheGame!

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 22, 2021

Is this what corporate accounts are like?

 

[Deleted member]

True, but then there's also a Balancing Issue that comes in as well. Think of the Basic Gameplay of a Warriors Game. Wouldn't it be a Balancing Issue to get it working in Smash, and faithful to the Source Material, if we were to not get a Seventh Zelda Fighter. Especially when Hayabusa has 10x More History than Dynasty Warriors. It could happen, it's just that I can't see it. Honestly, if Hayabusa happens, he'd probably just be the Terry of his Company, with Music (and Content) from every other major Koei Tecmo Series besides Ninja Gaiden ONTOP of Ninja Gaiden.

I'm gonna dissect most of this because I want to chime in on your take.

True, but then there's also a Balancing Issue that comes in as well. Think of the Basic Gameplay of a Warriors Game. Wouldn't it be a Balancing Issue to get it working in Smash, and faithful to the Source Material, if we were to not get a Seventh Zelda Fighter.

Unless you were talking about Lu Bu, balancing is a non issue. Musou is indeed known for its 1 vs 1000 style combat, but it's not like Sakurai has to make it where the character is an unstoppable beast without any sort of flaws. Someone like Zhao Yun could easily hit every fighter consecutively but can have pretty punishable lag. It's not like he'd have super armor for every attack he does cause it isn't even like that in Musou games.

Also since you bring up a 7th Zelda character in regards to this, what makes you think a Hyrule Warriors specific character would be any different from a Dynasty Warriors character in terms of gameplay? They all pretty much follow the same gameplay format but with a different set of weapons.

Especially when Hayabusa has 10x More History than Dynasty Warriors.

Comparing both series in terms of history is apples to oranges because both series hold a legacy of their own. Ninja Gaiden is fondly remembered for its hard as nails difficulty from both the Classic and Modern games while Dynasty Warriors is fondly remembered for the Musou gameplay that Koei-Tecmo are currently known for. In fact, you could argue Dynasty Warriors has more history with its publisher than Ninja Gaiden because of how influencial Musou is with Koei-Tecmo as a whole.

Honestly, if Hayabusa happens, he'd probably just be the Terry of his Company, with Music (and Content) from every other major Koei Tecmo Series besides Ninja Gaiden ONTOP of Ninja Gaiden.

I see a few people talk about this happening before, but if Hayabusa were to be in Smash, he's mostly going to bring content from Ninja Gaiden. If any other Koei-Tecmo related content were to come with him, it'll be Mii Costumes, maybe Team Ninja specific to be exact. SNK got what they got because Nintendo/Sakurai wanted to have the entire brand represented rather than just 1 series given how much Sakurai talked about SNK's upbringing with the Neo Geo and all. If Sakurai talks about Hayabusa, he isn't going to divulge in the history of Koei-Tecmo but rather the series he comes from.

 

[Perkilator]

Piranha plant makes it 6 first parties. Also it would be pretty balanced if you add the first set of dlc before they announced more in development which is plant standalone +fp1
You get 2 1st parties, and 4 3rd parties. Pass 2 could be 2 3rd parties, and 4 1st parties

1st parties: X X
3rd parties:

...I don't care. Nintendo's not gonna make the last two fighters 1st party simply to balance out the DLC.

 

[Paraster]

I've been thinking about a hypothetical Papyrus moveset, and I'm wondering if it would be tacky for him to get Sans's gravity manipulation? It would hardly be a core part of the moveset, but I think it'd work fine for the grabs.

Sans's gravity powers are basically an advanced version of the Blue Attack; I think it's plausible Papyrus could use it.
I actually started working on my own Papyrus moveset recently and came up with a different interpretation of the Blue Attack, though: since it limits Frisk's movement, my version is a down special that temporarily decreases the target's speed and jump height.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Did you not realize how famous Tony Hawk is, or was that a reference to him not being recognized on Twitter?

Yeah it was just referencing the general meme about nobody recognizing him nowadays. I'm very much aware who Tony Hawk is.

 

[RGFS]

Piranha plant makes it 6 first parties. Also it would be pretty balanced if you add the first set of dlc before they announced more in development which is plant standalone +fp1
You get 2 1st parties, and 4 3rd parties. Pass 2 could be 2 3rd parties, and 4 1st parties

Maybe but I wouldn't really count Piranha Plant since he isn't part of the passes. Even then, Mythra's inclusion makes it so that we've so far seen 3 fp2 fighters being from Nintendo. With 2 fp2 fighters being from 3rd parties, no matter what we see, fp2 would be uneven then.

1st parties: X X
3rd parties:

...I don't care. Nintendo's not gonna make the last two fighters 1st party simply to balance out the DLC.

I mean... they just might...

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Is this what corporate accounts are like?

Hey its not the weirdest meeting of accounts online:

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

what if this means Little Lungs from that ad featuring Tony Hawk are in Smash.

Those commercials are gross.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Question: next fighter is a retro character, retro here being defined as having no new game in 20 years. Could be first party or third party. Who do you want it to be?

myself, I’m batting for muddy mole forever and always

 

[Diddy Kong]

1st parties: X X
3rd parties:

...I don't care. Nintendo's not gonna make the last two fighters 1st party simply to balance out the DLC.

Wouldn't be opposed to this at all!

Zelda newcomer and Dixie go go.

 

[rexfan53]

Maybe but I wouldn't really count Piranha Plant since he isn't part of the passes. Even then, Mythra's inclusion makes it so that we've so far seen 3 fp2 fighters being from Nintendo. With 2 fp2 fighters being from 3rd parties, no matter what we see, fp2 would be uneven then.


I mean... they just might...
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Plant is a dlc character though. If we assume the next 2 characters are the final, why wouldn't they go for equal representation in all of dlc. It would also make sense considering how the two third parties of pass 2 are the equivalent to a list celebrities in the gaming world and the ones in fp1(excluding hero) are like b-c list celebrities lmao

it took more money to put sephiroth and steve than it did to put joker, terry, and banjo

 

[chocolatejr9]

Hey its not the weirdest meeting of accounts online:

I can't tell if this is good or bad...

 

[SpecterFlower]

360 wasn't so bad there. There are plenty of clues that Halo has decent following there.

3.8 million (Japanese sales of Ultimate) out of 20 million is impressive number... but that's far away from majority. I feel this is like US electoral college bs.

it's more like 5mil

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Question: next fighter is a retro character, retro here being defined as having no new game in 20 years. Could be first party or third party. Who do you want it to be?

myself, I’m batting for muddy mole forever and always

You made Steve work Sakurai, this shouldn't be too hard.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Those commercials are gross.

Agreed.

At first I thought it was some commercial for kids to warn them of smoking or something, but then I actually watched it and...ouch.

 

[Idon]

Question: next fighter is a retro character, retro here being defined as having no new game in 20 years. Could be first party or third party. Who do you want it to be?

myself, I’m batting for muddy mole forever and always

This barely squeeks by:

 

[chocolatejr9]

what if this means Little Lungs from that ad featuring Tony Hawk are in Smash.

I only saw a few seconds of that and... no.