I would, but if I play online, the ninjas might come after me. The strange vehicles around town... those could be ninjas... stalking my modding efforts, waiting to take me awaaaaayyyy~
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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II
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SharkLord
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I think it'd be more accurate to look at the positions the characters are in. Min Min's from a recent Nintendo game, Steve is from an extremely popular third-party, and Sephiroth is a villain from an already-represented game. Lloyd is a character from a fairly popular and influential third-party without playable representation, so I'd say he's pretty safe.
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It released before Ultimate in Japan.
PeridotGX
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fighters pass 2 has been revealed
(you wouldn't imagine how many times I had to reset to add a character who isn't already in the game. It was hellbent on making Wario FP11.)
(you wouldn't imagine how many times I had to reset to add a character who isn't already in the game. It was hellbent on making Wario FP11.)
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It's 10 pages back but holy **** I've never seen anybody put this much work into what the next color hex could be.
Green looks the most promising since Steve's background color is already blue, and I already pictured which 2 characters would match with green. Of course, this could absolutely not matter at all, but I sure would love to see if this ends up holding up well.
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I've been noticing the same pattern. Sakurai/Nintendo tends to avoid releasing a character too similar in moveset or genre right after another. That said, I predict that the next DLC character will NOT be a swordfighter or a character from a JRPG. While I know that the latter point is fairly broad, the former about not having another swordfighter I think is relevant because it favors brawler type characters (like Rayman, Crash, Ryu, etc) and gunner type characters (Doomguy, Master Chief, etc.). Interestingly, we haven't really gotten a single gunner-type DLC yet (I don't count Joker's Gun move since it isn't really integral to his playstyle). So far, I've analyzed the DLC by fighter type:
-PP=Zoning Brawler
-Joker=Brawler
-Hero=Swordie
-Banjo=Zoning Brawler (maybe technically a gunner-type hybrid?)
-Terry=Brawler
-Byleth=Swordie (for the most part)
-Min Min=Zoning Brawler
-Steve=Brawler
-Sephiroth=Swordie
So by this pattern, are we looking at another zoning brawler or a gunner? I've got a hunch it could be something like Rayman or Doomguy/MC.
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Powerman293
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Does someone have a handy PNG of all the mii costumes missing from Smash 4 that are back in Ultimate now?
Pupp135
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I'm assuming that there will be another Nintendo character for DLC, and I'm wondering if a promotional pick like Ring Fit Trainee, Cinderace, Rex, or to a smaller degree, Tom Nook, is more likely than a legacy pick like Toad or Dixie or a requested pick like Waluigi (He's not my favorite, but If anyone breaks the assist rule, it's him, and other "rules" were broken like "no spirits," "only one unique third party per series," "FP1 is only third party".
3BitSaurus
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I don't know which is scarier: Toad having a long tongue, Captain N working in the Krusty Krab or Bubble Bobble being a part of the Adventure Time universe.
Meh, who am I kidding, it's Toad with a long tongue.
RetrogamerMax
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The DK Vine co-founder Hyle Russell said that.
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posted a thread about it right here: https://smashboards.com/threads/news-how-fans-brought-back-k-rool.457451/ Retro wanted to bring back K. Rool as a boss in Tropical Freeze but was denied that request from Nintendo because Sakurai wanted to call dips on reviving and bringing K. Rool by putting him in Smash. That is what happened according to Hyle Russell's source Dave Throat.
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I'm going to help you out on FF7. It's basically fantasy 1990's, but lacking some tech like spaceships and internet.
Lionfranky
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NDA is a thing for good reason. Both parties should have signed that up to stop leaking crucial information like discussion. So why go through such detailed interviews to risk breaching contract? Why would Nintendo allow him to say that much?
RetrogamerMax
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I wasn't here on Smashboards during Smash 4 speculation, but I was on the Smash Sub-Reddit during that time. I would sometimes take a peek at what was going on here back then and the mods announced thetly were closing up shop for Smash 4 speculation with a week or two from Bayonetta's announcement since it was heavily hinted that the next newcomer her would be Smash 4's last newcomer. They did obviously so there wouldn't be major flame wars among the fanbases after the roster was finished. I think Ultimate speculation didn't start here until early 2017 way before Ultimate was announced. But yeah, speculation for Smash ends here around the time last newcomer is announced amd it sarts for the next game about a year or two before it's announced or released.
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ok, I have to say this, Bros, stop making replacement geno threads. All thats gonna do is make it look worse on you
RetrogamerMax
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If the Red Shall Mii hat comes back, maybe it will come back with Waluigi if he's happening.
SirBillyBob
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To clarify, “K. Rool as a bonus boss conceptualized for the Tropical Freeze port” did not come from DK Vine’s podcast, but rather was a tidbit I confirmed independently through multiple sources. As I have edited that thread a long time ago to say, I also do not like the phrase “called dibs,” because Sakurai does not have this unilateral authority over what other studios like Retro do, rather Nintendo made that call presumably because by that point Sakurai had chosen K. Rool for Ultimate, where his return was to take place.The DK Vine co-founder Hyle Russell said that.
epicmartin7
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Fun fact. The colors I posted here, I also posted on twitter and I got a response from a physics teacher bot for a completely irrelevant tweet lmao.
That was one way to make my day
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Heoj
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Im not sure if im blind, but i didnt see anyone here making any geno replacement theories
The Mallow thread has been revived by Geno refugees lol.
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Because they get closed and deleted almost as soon as they are made
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3BitSaurus
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"Now, kids, the Smash Ultimate Character Background equation will fall on the next test! Also, don't forget to study on your Amiibo release dates!"Fun fact. The colors I posted here, I also posted on twitter and I got a response from a physics teacher bot for a completely irrelevant tweet lmao.
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That was one way to make my day
Uuuuuh, why?
That just seems... unnecessary.
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Well, if you are a kid and your mom takes your laptop away temporarily and said "you'll get this back when I give it to you" and you go into her room and take your laptop back, common sense says say thats a big no no, right?I
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3BitSaurus
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...I don't think your comparison works here, but ok.
Nekoo
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It does.
Mods closed the threads, people create another one and complain that it get shut down.
???
3BitSaurus
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Yeah, but like... why is the opption closed in the first place?
Maybe I'm out of the loop, really, but I hardly see a reason for that. Dunno, maybe someone can DM me so it doesn't derail discussion here, but as far as I can see, there's nothing that should prevent people from making a thread.
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TheCJBrine
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The staff members haven't fully decided on what they're going to do with the current thread, and idk why new threads aren't allowed but I guess it's to prevent whatever behavior caused them to lock up the first thread, although a new Waluigi thread was allowed (but it was made after some months I think, so time is needed I believe).
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3BitSaurus
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Ah, I see. So it basically falls into the "no duplicate threads rule". I thought the old one was deleted, not just blocked, so I didn't really think there was anything wrong with them making new ones.
Thanks for explaining.
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Powerman293
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The worst thing about the mods shutting down the Geno thread is that it's still kind sus that ZERO DLC characters have had any overlap with Mii Costumes, meaning the dev team is avoiding stepping on the toes of 5 year old DLC Mii Costumes for no reason. Meaning there's TECHNICALLY still hope for Geno. Albeit extremely small.
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...or the mods did not want to deal with a thread that was already getting trolled quite hard and had some toxic comments in it and was over 3000 pages long? Long threads, as the Newcomer Speculation thread has shown, can be a hassle for servers. Combine that with a thread that would only attract more trolls after the mii costume reveal and breed more toxicity, it makes sense to close it for a time. Not saying all geno fans are toxic, but I went in there and not naming names but there were some toxic posts as early as when Sephiroth was revealed.
Mushroomguy12
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Meh, keeping that thread open did seem like a complicated matter. More often than not the Geno thread was off topic anyways. In my opinion it functioned more as a 2nd newcomers thread or another character thread at others. The regulars are passionate about Geno as a character, but it almost seems like that passion probably exhausted any relevant talking points surrounding the character. It also seemed to attract its fair share of trolls, which understandably isn't the thread regulars' fault, but the trolling would snowball into a "pity party" since some users were too focused on how others view their fan base. I believe the sum of all those issues resulted in that thread getting off topic quite a bit. It is what it is.
I'd love to see that fan base channel that passion into a fan game that could get Nintendo's/Square's attention. They are a creative bunch and they probably know the series better than Nintendo or Square at this point.
That being said, the only way I see Geno still having a chance is if a 3rd fighter pass is a thing. Seems like both FP1 and FP2 were decided on years ago. I've mentioned this in the geno thread, but In addition to his mii costume, both his and Mallow's spirits were in base game. I think this was done this way because there wasn't going to be another opportunity to bring smrpg spirits in later since ff spirits were going to accompany seph.
Which leads me to believe that SMRPG is unlikely to get any kind of event like the mana series did because I think if that had been the case, I feel like they would have avoided Mallow's spirit and saved him for a spirit event.
With that series out of the running in my mind, I think we'll get something from Namco-Bandai for sure, like 100%. I also think we will get some kind of animal based character 100%. I also can't imagine this pass closing out without at least one more Nintendo rep.
So I guess my list right now is
-Lloyd(Or some Tales of Rep)
-Okami
-Crash
-Sora
-Tails/Eggman (Echoes or alternates of each other, may explain voice theory if they are represented similiary to their SA2 appearance) (May leave certain fan bases slightly salty, because technically it would mean Tails is the first character to get mii costumed yet still make it in as DLC. I think it works cuz in a round a bout way the costume offers something completely different than what the actual character does. )
-Paper Mario
-Ryu Hayabusa
As far as characters that don't seem likely to me despite multiple people mentioning, I'd have to say Master Chief and Doomslayer. Master Chief needs something on the Switch, and its possible that some kind of Halo port is brewing, but until that happens I don't see it coming. Doomslayer is just too violent, or at least the series he hails from promotes it too much. I'm aware of Bayonetta, but I think she is going to be that one exception that squeezed into smash because Nintendo has a vested interest in that series.
I'd love to see that fan base channel that passion into a fan game that could get Nintendo's/Square's attention. They are a creative bunch and they probably know the series better than Nintendo or Square at this point.
That being said, the only way I see Geno still having a chance is if a 3rd fighter pass is a thing. Seems like both FP1 and FP2 were decided on years ago. I've mentioned this in the geno thread, but In addition to his mii costume, both his and Mallow's spirits were in base game. I think this was done this way because there wasn't going to be another opportunity to bring smrpg spirits in later since ff spirits were going to accompany seph.
Which leads me to believe that SMRPG is unlikely to get any kind of event like the mana series did because I think if that had been the case, I feel like they would have avoided Mallow's spirit and saved him for a spirit event.
With that series out of the running in my mind, I think we'll get something from Namco-Bandai for sure, like 100%. I also think we will get some kind of animal based character 100%. I also can't imagine this pass closing out without at least one more Nintendo rep.
So I guess my list right now is
-Lloyd(Or some Tales of Rep)
-Okami
-Crash
-Sora
-Tails/Eggman (Echoes or alternates of each other, may explain voice theory if they are represented similiary to their SA2 appearance) (May leave certain fan bases slightly salty, because technically it would mean Tails is the first character to get mii costumed yet still make it in as DLC. I think it works cuz in a round a bout way the costume offers something completely different than what the actual character does. )
-Paper Mario
-Ryu Hayabusa
As far as characters that don't seem likely to me despite multiple people mentioning, I'd have to say Master Chief and Doomslayer. Master Chief needs something on the Switch, and its possible that some kind of Halo port is brewing, but until that happens I don't see it coming. Doomslayer is just too violent, or at least the series he hails from promotes it too much. I'm aware of Bayonetta, but I think she is going to be that one exception that squeezed into smash because Nintendo has a vested interest in that series.
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Oh yea can't wait to get my png's
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I'm glad the Mii Fighters don't just have the default faces in the FFVII spirit battles. Guess they had to do that since the Mii costumes don't come with wigs.
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And the balance patch is literally nothing. Just fixing multi-hit attacks.
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Bahamut ZERO is so easily cheesed with Belmont axe spam lmao
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