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I think a decloned Ganondorf would have resulted in more SSF2 players in both the short and long terms. There are a bunch of games with Falcondorf. One can play as decloned Ganondorf only via mods that aren't even legal in most Project M/Legacy/+ tournaments (except Ganondorf's float).
Sure
honestly that's best case scenario for me
Pretty sure thats the first step to total ascension. The amount of content it would bring would give Smash literal years of single player replayability.
By virtue of being a fighting game, it's already got years of replayability, I mean, look at Melee. That's still going strong 20 years in.
I Hope so. Smash Ultimate honestly was a Huge stepback in Single Player to be honest. I'd say it's on Par with Smash 64 (which was the first game) and Smash Wii U for having the Worst Single Player in the series
For me personally, playing a character in SSF2 feels distinct from the official games just due to the fact that I like playing Smash on a keyboard and using a keyboard works a lot better in SSF2 than it does in official Smash games on PC IMO.
Plenty of fighting games fail to maintain significant player bases.
You're probably right sadly. If they were going to give us more Echoes, we'd have probably got some by now.
So many good candidates for them too.
Which is weird because then they left off obvious clones like Dr. Mario and Pichu as not Echoes...
Oh you mean like Luigi and Jigglypuff, all the clones in Melee, Wolf and Toon Link in Brawl, and Lucina, Dr. Mario, and Dark Pit in 4? Yeah I think you might be on to something.
Well, Echo sounds much cooler than clone, and implies the same thing: Being very similar, yet not entirely the same.
Nothing about Waluigi's outcry has been exaggerated. He's been a character that has been almost entirely ignored and has gained a following over time, getting a rather big boost in the last five or so years, much of it due to meme culture and many people sticking with their love with the character past the memes.
Holy **** I felt like the only person awake when everyone was hyping up Echoes but ****ting on Clones like this isn't just a nicer way to say it.Finally a reason to post this again
This is why they created the term. Because of all you dopes who would rather buy a "pre-owned vehicle" than a "used car".
Bit of a shame, too. I would've loved to see Shadow as a
Echo and as an Olimar Echo. And I would've loved to see inherit some of the custom moves from .
Give it a shiny new name, and you can sell ice to a man in the Arctic.Finally a reason to post this again
This is why they created the term. Because of all you dopes who would rather buy a "pre-owned vehicle" than a "used car".
) was actually smaller than the clones ().Technically, one can't demonstrably say that characters who are DLC costumes or spirits are 100% deconfirmed. That is true. But acting like it means nothing either is ultimately less sensible, when evidence and reason point strongly in the favour of the roles being basically mutually exclusive.Nothing about Waluigi's outcry has been exaggerated. He's been a character that has been almost entirely ignored and has gained a following over time, getting a rather big boost in the last five or so years, much of it due to meme culture and many people sticking with their love with the character past the memes.
Also, your claim to moving the goalposts isn't even accurate, as anyone who says 'X still deconfirms' after ever fan rule that breaks are the goalpost movers, not me. Don't make me fetch that giant PNG of all the fan rules that have been systematically broken since Ultimate began, cuz I will if I have to.
No, YOU are the one moving the goalpost. The ones saying too big, too irrelevant, rival company, spirits deconfirm, yada yada. Returning costumes deconfirm is just the latest push in a lazy, weak-minded struggle to solidify speculation to try and have something to grab onto. I'm merely out here saying 'Hey, there really aren't any deconfirmations until DLC is done, so you REALLY can't count anyone out with any grouping fan rule like spirits or costumes and should look at characters and the facts around them individually' and your response is 'Give up on the characters and accept the fan rule that is fundamentally flawed just like the rest' and I just can't do that.
For example, instead of saying 'Any character with a returning Mii Costume is deconfirmed' as a broad sweeping fan rule, instead it should be a case-by-case basis, such as 'Well another Megaman character isn't likely due to all of them featuring in Megaman's FS, the fact that the added Protoman and Bass to the FS, and Zero being an AT.'
Do you see how much more informed that is? This is something I've noticed with the Smash community since the beginning: broad sweeping statements that can never hold up. No 3rd Party, no MORE 3rd party, no rival companies, no irrelevant characters, no spirits and now it's no costumes despite that not making sense for each individual character.
The fact that you can't wrap your head around active DLC and development meaning that anything can still be on the table so long as it is negotiated for, be it a character who got a costumes already or a franchise that got it's own spirit event, is absurd. 'This thing happened, and because this thing happened, the future is completely set to be a certain way.' Fun fact: you don't know what the future holds, and you are going about trying to speculate it in way that keeps getting dismembered with each character release.
I think the relative ease of their development and sheer number people were speculating we could get or which characters could be echoes raised expectations quite a bit."Why we didn't get more clones" is honestly a weird complaint to me when the number of fully unique newcomers in the base game (
I feel like DLC made people forget just how little newcomers we got before it and how many of them borrowed moves from other fighters.
Sheepishly raises hand Yes
I wouldn't mind, but I kind of don't want Tracer since that would imply Shadow is not a DLC Character...
Yeah, the key term here is "relative" ease. They still take time and effort. People jumped from "D.r Mario stole Ridley's slot" to "they can add six clones in a lunch break" real quick.
I don't mind one, especially if it's Winston or Tracer.
Well, i don't know **** about overwatch, so you'll have to explain me that.
Shadow did not invent Time powers and neither did Tracer.
I recently returned to the Overwatch world and would welcome a character from it in Smash. That reminds me, someday I need to think of movesets for Sombra and Echo (both of whom would be a tad complex).
I don't think 1 thread is necessarily a good enough pull for research, especially when I know for a fact that lots of people will say "She's competition for Crash!" Which as a result ends up influencing their opinion as a lot of people pretend they're ok with something as long as they get their favourites first. As for me, I don't want it, but I'm not opposed to it
I'd be fine with it, but there's some characters I'd prefer. I don't do very well in competitive games so I did not do well when I played it, and the story isn't being actively updated so I can't get engaged in that either. Overall it just didn't click with me as well as I hoped, and I mostly hopped on because my friend group was playing it.
