1. I didn’t say Sakurai was lying, I was saying that Sakurai was giving reasons why he personally wanted Joker despite that being irrelevant whether he got in or not. Sakurai liking Persona 5 is literally the only reason we were given for Joker’s inclusion, and given the fact that Nintendo is the one that decides the characters, that reason is obviously bs.
2. Joker’s Sakurai Presents is more needed than for any character in both passes. The reason why millions of Nintendo fans think SMT is a Persona clone is solely because there was no Sakurai Presents for Joker to explain what Persona is and how it came from SMT. You don’t just dump Joker from Persona 5(a Sony exclusive game) into a Nintendo crossover without any explanation as to why or who the character is and where he came from and then spend 30 minutes explaining what Fire Emblem is to Nintendo fans after revealing Byleth, that is just stupid.
3. YouTube has nothing to do with censoring the 2nd pass when shown in the Smash presentation. Final Fantasy VII and its remake are both rated teen in America. Xenoblade 2 is far closer to a M rating than FF7 is and it wasn’t censored in the presentation(even though they did censor the character models and spirits). The final fighter is without a doubt from a M rated game and there is no way to wiggle out of that one.
4. I am willing to admit that I might be wrong about the reason Joker didn’t have a model in time for his trailer or why he doesn’t have a proper trailer in the first place, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an extra character not originally planned for pass 1 and that certainly doesn’t mean there isn’t controversy behind his reveal and inclusion, there definitely is plenty.
5. I wasn’t trying to sound arrogant, I was just saying I have covered everything in regards to why he could possibly not be the fighter, and every time I see a new argument on the web against him or think of one myself, I come away with yet another argument for Nahobino being the final fighter. I can’t name a single character that would make more sense than Nahobino.
1. I genuinely can't tell if you think Joker got in because of Sakurai bias, or if Nintendo picked him. But Joker was always planned, or at least wasn't a last minute addition, since a last minute addition would be unlikely to be first.
2. Joker didn't get a Sakurai Presents because they didn't exist yet. And I've seen people call SMT a Persona clone / ripoff ironically, but nobody's ever been serious about it. The closest I've seen is people think SMT is Persona at the beginning of the trailer. It doesn't matter if its Sony exclusive either since he's on 3DS in Q2, and Strikers was probably in development by then, or at least being planned. And... Persona isn't PlayStation exclusive. It's never been on another console, sure, but the first Persona game got a PC port in the 90s, years before P4G did. And, even though I don't care either way, I think the Switch will probably get at least one mainline game as part if thr anniversary. Not definitely, but it seems likely. That's an unbiased opinion, because while I'd rather play it on PlayStation since I prefer its controller (at least for RPGs) I don't care if it's on other platforms or not.
3. I'm not saying youtube has anything to do with blocking it, that was Nintendo's decision. But if naming a game raised the age rating, then Nintendo would have to age restrict the video to match that. Even though FF7 isn't an M rated game (I think, I'm going off UK ratings where it's a 12), there are M rated FF games, so the branding could be enough where they'd want to age restricted it to be safe. Also, how is Xenoblade 2 closer to an M rating? It's not like it's a scale like mild Teen to heavy Teen or whatever. You can't tell if something's closer to another rating or not because you aren't the ESRB (or Pegi or Cero)
4. You basically just said "yes, my argument's wrong, but I'm right anyway." Joker wasn't a bonus character, that just doesn't make sense. Nintendo and ATLUS are as close as two developers can really get (people even thought Nintendo might buy ATLUS before Sega did from what I've read), and Joker was the protagonist from their recent, popular, critically acclaimed game. Using him as the first character was great at generating discussion and excitement for Smash because he's both popular and unexpected.
5. Arrogant people tend to do it without trying. They don't go "I'm going to be as arrogant as possible today". You're saying that you know for a fact that Nahobino is the final fighter, and that nobody can argue against you because you are right and they are wrong. But multiple other people and I have given evidence that disproves your arguments, meaning you're likely just looking for evidence where there is none.
As for characters who make more sense: EMMI (assuming Nahobino is possible, they definitely are), a gen 8 pokemon (or a major gen 4 pokemon), a character from BOTW or Skyward Sword, etc.
I thought the same thing about the Astral Chain guys, and they were just spirits. The thing is, Nahobino is definitely possible, but we don't know exactly how and why Nintendo picks characters, and for all we know they do want to end on a fan favourite and make everyone happy. At the same time, they might add Bubsy. There's no way of knowing.
