Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[3BitSaurus]

I would love to, is it Livestreamed on YouTube?

No idea tbh. I'm assuming I'm seeing it a bit later due to timezone shenanigans (Brazil is on the other side of the world, after all), but at this point there's probably some way to see it on the internet.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

This means Chrono Trigger, Soul Calibur, Kingdom Hearts, Monster Hunter, Phantasy Star and Nier are the frontrunners to get in Smash now.

I meannnnnnnnnn

Phantasy Star for a SEGA rep and they're a frontrunner company for the spot rn

 

[Speed Weed]

Phantasy Star

Anyone who ever tries to claim that SEGA barely has any notable IPs outside of Sonic again now has the legal obligation to be called a stinky poopoo head

 

[PSIGuy]

meanwhile Nintendo has no songs in the Olympics opening, revealing that they actually don’t have any notable IP after all
Smash is a scam, pack it up, we’re done

 

[GilTheGreat19]

meanwhile Nintendo has no songs in the Olympics opening, revealing that they actually don’t have any notable IP after all
Smash is a scam, pack it up, we’re done

Mario? Who's that?

 

[SKX31]

I would love to, is it Livestreamed on YouTube?

No idea tbh. I'm assuming I'm seeing it a bit later due to timezone shenanigans (Brazil is on the other side of the world, after all), but at this point there's probably some way to see it on the internet.

Yup, found Eurosport's stream (I'm not sure if it's geoblocked in other territories though - if it isn't one can rewind). They're at the tail end of the parade, and Mexico just paraded down as I'm writing this (#182). The US, France and Japan will be the three last nations (#204-206).

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sakurai comments on the Ceremony.

オリンピックの入場式を拝見しています。
こんなにゲーム音楽が使われるなんて…！
知らなかったので意表を突かれました。贅沢の極み。

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 23, 2021

 

[Lyncario]

Aparently, this is the list of ost that were used for the ceremony

pic.twitter.com/UmgeHVWWbF

— DJLani (@TheDJLani) July 23, 2021

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

1. I genuinely can't tell if you think Joker got in because of Sakurai bias, or if Nintendo picked him. But Joker was always planned, or at least wasn't a last minute addition, since a last minute addition would be unlikely to be first.

2. Joker didn't get a Sakurai Presents because they didn't exist yet. And I've seen people call SMT a Persona clone / ripoff ironically, but nobody's ever been serious about it. The closest I've seen is people think SMT is Persona at the beginning of the trailer. It doesn't matter if its Sony exclusive either since he's on 3DS in Q2, and Strikers was probably in development by then, or at least being planned. And... Persona isn't PlayStation exclusive. It's never been on another console, sure, but the first Persona game got a PC port in the 90s, years before P4G did. And, even though I don't care either way, I think the Switch will probably get at least one mainline game as part if thr anniversary. Not definitely, but it seems likely. That's an unbiased opinion, because while I'd rather play it on PlayStation since I prefer its controller (at least for RPGs) I don't care if it's on other platforms or not.

3. I'm not saying youtube has anything to do with blocking it, that was Nintendo's decision. But if naming a game raised the age rating, then Nintendo would have to age restrict the video to match that. Even though FF7 isn't an M rated game (I think, I'm going off UK ratings where it's a 12), there are M rated FF games, so the branding could be enough where they'd want to age restricted it to be safe. Also, how is Xenoblade 2 closer to an M rating? It's not like it's a scale like mild Teen to heavy Teen or whatever. You can't tell if something's closer to another rating or not because you aren't the ESRB (or Pegi or Cero)

4. You basically just said "yes, my argument's wrong, but I'm right anyway." Joker wasn't a bonus character, that just doesn't make sense. Nintendo and ATLUS are as close as two developers can really get (people even thought Nintendo might buy ATLUS before Sega did from what I've read), and Joker was the protagonist from their recent, popular, critically acclaimed game. Using him as the first character was great at generating discussion and excitement for Smash because he's both popular and unexpected.

5. Arrogant people tend to do it without trying. They don't go "I'm going to be as arrogant as possible today". You're saying that you know for a fact that Nahobino is the final fighter, and that nobody can argue against you because you are right and they are wrong. But multiple other people and I have given evidence that disproves your arguments, meaning you're likely just looking for evidence where there is none.

As for characters who make more sense: EMMI (assuming Nahobino is possible, they definitely are), a gen 8 pokemon (or a major gen 4 pokemon), a character from BOTW or Skyward Sword, etc.

I thought the same thing about the Astral Chain guys, and they were just spirits. The thing is, Nahobino is definitely possible, but we don't know exactly how and why Nintendo picks characters, and for all we know they do want to end on a fan favourite and make everyone happy. At the same time, they might add Bubsy. There's no way of knowing.

1. I am saying that the “reason” we are given for Joker’s inclusion is that Sakurai likes him and Persona 5(despite neither Sakurai nor Nintendo officially stating this as the reason Joker got in)but because we know Nintendo picks the characters that reason is obviously bs and we don’t actually know the reason he is in(which means I could actually be right about Joker being added after the 1st pass was finalized)
2. Sorry, but this is just BS, Sakurai never said that Joker didn’t get one because the format for the presentation didn’t exist yet(and neither did Nintendo), he never even mentions Joker in a Smash presentation outside of the amiibo and other unrelated things. This is just a rumor taken as fact because there is a massive difference between how Joker was advertised and every other character and people need an explanation. As for people thinking SMT V is Persona before they see the title, that is because the name Persona is everywhere now and Joker and his friends’ designs are all over Smash. If the average Nintendo gamer knew SMT is related to Persona via a widely publicized event like a Sakurai Presents then there would be a lot less people doing that and being confused by the trolls saying SMT is a Persona clone.
3. Final Fantasy is not rated by its series, it is rated by its individual title. As an obvious example, Final Fantasy 1 is not rated as an M game in a presentation(check the ads for the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters if you don’t believe me)because it’s name is the same as the series with a M rated game in it. The reason why I say Xenoblade 2 is closer to a mature rating is because it has a lot more examples of sexually suggestive dialogue and situations and it has designs that have to be censored to get into Smash(in the case of Pyra and Mythra and Pneuma and Brighid), and there are far more ecchi-like designs for blades throughout the game than those that got into Smash.
4. You don’t know why Joker is in Smash because Nintendo has not given you the reason, you have no clue whether I am right or not. I am just saying that I could be wrong about a few specific things that don’t prove or disprove the theory I have that Joker was added last minute because I get carried away with theories sometimes. Joker being added last minute when they are just starting the pass actually makes perfect sense because that means they don’t have much of anything yet created for the other characters. It especially makes sense to throw in someone at the last minute when it is a character as unexpected as Joker to hype up the pass and make a claim that the rest of the pass will be similarly as surprising(which it wasn’t).
5. It’s not arrogant for someone who actually has done their homework to say that they know more than someone who hasn’t. It IS arrogant however for someone to jump into a debate despite not knowing the subject matter or the rules and claim they are as good or better than someone who has honed their arguments over months or even years to be as close as pure facts as possible. Your evidence is literally just factually wrong(like the Final Fantasy M rated thing) and you can’t even address many of the more damning evidence I have against popular picks.

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that pack 11 was not originally a part of pass 2, or the fact that pass 2 was not supposed to exist originally and that one of the characters in pass 2 was supposed to be in pass 1 because the rest of the characters in pass 2 could be added in any future Smash or never added and it makes no difference. The character has to be from a game old enough to be in pass 1 but was delayed to pass 2’s timeframe, it’s not Metroid Dread(the concept for Dread has obviously existed forever but this was when Metroid Samus Returns was still relevant and it is entirely possible that they didn’t ask MercurySteam to make Dread yet) and while Pokemon could fit that criteria(but probably doesn’t), the spirits deconfirm it.

Lastly, EMMI DOESN’T make more sense than Nahobino because EMMI isn’t a character, it is a generic robot model type programmed by the federation to hunt down the remnants of the X parasite(which Samus has because of the events of Fusion) and destroy it, it doesn’t have its own personality and there are confirmed to be multiple copies of EMMI in Dread. The most you can hope for EMMI is a boss battle in a future Smash, and the fact that the EMMI are designed to be indestructible kind of makes even that inclusion unlikely. A BOTW character does fit the time frame for being considered for pass 1(and we do know Sakurai wanted to do BOTW Zelda but gave up on that idea)and could conceivably be in pass 2, but BOTW is a delayed Wii U game that came out in 2017 and BOTW2 isn’t even fully confirmed for a 2022 release date, there is absolutely no reason to wait this long to
put in a character from that game, and there is the fact that it has spirits(and so does Skyward Sword btw). Gen 8 Pokémon again has spirits, Gen 4 Pokémon has spirits and a fighter etc. Nahobino by far makes the most sense out of any of the characters from upcoming games on Switch because SMT has no content in Smash, even Advance Wars has Smash content.

We can believe that anyone can get in all we want but all that does is set us up for disappointment. Nintendo is clearly following a pattern with the dlc inclusions for Smash Ultimate.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Aparently, this is the list of ost that were used for the ceremony

pic.twitter.com/UmgeHVWWbF

— DJLani (@TheDJLani) July 23, 2021

Ayo Proof of a Hero???

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Im sorry this is horribly off topic but Kingdom Hearts music was at the Olympics Parade of Nations, I Repeat KHs Olympus coliseum was at the Parade of nations
As a massive KH fan, I am super happy

 

[ceterisparibus]

Sales and popularity aren't the end-all-be-all when it comes to why characters get in. They definitely help, but sometimes characters are chosen for other reasons. Just look at Terry, he's not that big in those departments but Sakurai added him because he loves the character. I think the reasons why a character is chosen should be looked at on an individual basis, as they differ with each character.

Joker got in mainly for similar reasons to Terry, I feel. Persona 5's success helped, but I think it was mainly Sakurai's love for the game that got Joker in. Additionally, both games had big influences on Smash. Beating people soundly at Fatal Fury is what made Sakurai want to create a more beginner-friendly fighting game in the first place, and Persona 5's excellent UI heavily inspired Ultimate's UI.

And let's not forget the big thing:

I think popularity is still a pretty damn big factor regardless, hence the focus on incredibly huge franchises and the most iconic stars that came from them. Even your aforementioned example of terry was because he was the most recognizable/used star of the SNK brand; otherwise we would have gotten some obscure character for the sake of doing so.
It's not the end-all-be-all factor to be chosen but its certainly one of the more consistent factors in which they choose characters from different franchises.

Also you might want to realize that he included "not just recognizable". It's easy to make a recognizable character fun, but having it vice versa is not possible.
(note that i think this is mainly for 3rd parties in general, not 1st).

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Ayo Proof of a Hero???

Tbh, it should of Been every MH version of Proof of a Hero just playing the whole time

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I didn't see anyone other than PSIGuy say anything about it, but I'm surprised that no Nintendo music was used at all.
Unless there's a somewhat clear reasoning for this that I'm unaware of..?

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Aparently, this is the list of ost that were used for the ceremony

pic.twitter.com/UmgeHVWWbF

— DJLani (@TheDJLani) July 23, 2021

They just rickrolled everyone watching the Olympics with Robo’s theme. LOL

 

[Lyncario]

I gotta say that I'm sad that Hecatia's theme was just not used, despite how she's a greek goddess and the olympics have greek origins.

...

Ok, Hecatia's theme being named Pandemonic Planet could have made it be a risky choice, but they could have used a world of nightmares never seen before instead since it's her stage theme

 

[ShrimpScampi]

Im sorry this is horribly off topic but Kingdom Hearts music was at the Olympics Parade of Nations, I Repeat KHs Olympus coliseum was at the Parade of nations
As a massive KH fan, I am super happy

My family had the ceremony on in the background while I was working and I was thinking “huh this sounds kind of familiar, I wonder why I know this Olympics theme so well-

wait a minute”

 

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

Olympics are in Japan
"The Sun Rises", the theme of Amaterasu, the sun goddess of Shinto, Japan's folk religion, isn't played

how /s

 

[Eldrake]

Sakurai comments on the Ceremony.

オリンピックの入場式を拝見しています。
こんなにゲーム音楽が使われるなんて…！
知らなかったので意表を突かれました。贅沢の極み。

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 23, 2021

Clearly this is a hint that CP11 will be an olympic athlete.

 

[PSIGuy]

I didn't see anyone other than PSIGuy say anything about it, but I'm surprised that no Nintendo music was used at all.
Unless there's a somewhat clear reasoning for this that I'm unaware of..?

The entire video game music thing was a last minute change as far as I’m aware, they scrapped an Akira themed motorbike scene and much more. The companies who are involved may have paid for the rights, and Nintendo figured they already had plenty of press from when the Prime Minister of Japan announced the Olympics 4 years ago dressed up as Mario.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Anyone who ever tries to claim that SEGA barely has any notable IPs outside of Sonic again now has the legal obligation to be called a stinky poopoo head

To be fair, they do have a great treasure trove of IPs. It's just that a lot of the time they seem insistent on not doing anything with them, like a lot of companies, really.

Real talk tho, Billy Hatcher and Skies of Arcadia remakes when?

meanwhile Nintendo has no songs in the Olympics opening, revealing that they actually don’t have any notable IP after all
Smash is a scam, pack it up, we’re done

I didn't see anyone other than PSIGuy say anything about it, but I'm surprised that no Nintendo music was used at all.
Unless there's a somewhat clear reasoning for this that I'm unaware of..?

I'm a bit surprised by this, especially as Mario was literally featured in the opening. I still think we'll see something from Mario, Zelda or Pokémon in the final ceremony.

Aparently, this is the list of ost that were used for the ceremony

pic.twitter.com/UmgeHVWWbF

— DJLani (@TheDJLani) July 23, 2021

It's also missing Song of the Ancients from Nier and the main theme of Soul Calibur.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Clearly this is a hint that CP11 will be an olympic athlete.

Yep!

 

[TheLamerGamer]

1. I am saying that the “reason” we are given for Joker’s inclusion is that Sakurai likes him and Persona 5(despite neither Sakurai nor Nintendo officially stating this as the reason Joker got in)but because we know Nintendo picks the characters that reason is obviously bs and we don’t actually know the reason he is in(which means I could actually be right about Joker being added after the 1st pass was finalized)
2. Sorry, but this is just BS, Sakurai never said that Joker didn’t get one because the format for the presentation didn’t exist yet(and neither did Nintendo), he never even mentions Joker in a Smash presentation outside of the amiibo and other unrelated things. This is just a rumor taken as fact because there is a massive difference between how Joker was advertised and every other character and people need an explanation. As for people thinking SMT V is Persona before they see the title, that is because the name Persona is everywhere now and Joker and his friends’ designs are all over Smash. If the average Nintendo gamer knew SMT is related to Persona via a widely publicized event like a Sakurai Presents then there would be a lot less people doing that and being confused by the trolls saying SMT is a Persona clone.
3. Final Fantasy is not rated by its series, it is rated by its individual title. As an obvious example, Final Fantasy 1 is not rated as an M game in a presentation(check the ads for the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters if you don’t believe me)because it’s name is the same as the series with a M rated game in it. The reason why I say Xenoblade 2 is closer to a mature rating is because it has a lot more examples of sexually suggestive dialogue and situations and it has designs that have to be censored to get into Smash(in the case of Pyra and Mythra and Pneuma and Brighid), and there are far more ecchi-like designs for blades throughout the game than those that got into Smash.
4. You don’t know why Joker is in Smash because Nintendo has not given you the reason, you have no clue whether I am right or not. I am just saying that I could be wrong about a few specific things that don’t prove or disprove the theory I have that Joker was added last minute because I get carried away with theories sometimes. Joker being added last minute when they are just starting the pass actually makes perfect sense because that means they don’t have much of anything yet created for the other characters. It especially makes sense to throw in someone at the last minute when it is a character as unexpected as Joker to hype up the pass and make a claim that the rest of the pass will be similarly as surprising(which it wasn’t).
5. It’s not arrogant for someone who actually has done their homework to say that they know more than someone who hasn’t. It IS arrogant however for someone to jump into a debate despite not knowing the subject matter or the rules and claim they are as good or better than someone who has honed their arguments over months or even years to be as close as pure facts as possible. Your evidence is literally just factually wrong(like the Final Fantasy M rated thing) and you can’t even address many of the more damning evidence I have against popular picks.

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that pack 11 was not originally a part of pass 2, or the fact that pass 2 was not supposed to exist originally and that one of the characters in pass 2 was supposed to be in pass 1 because the rest of the characters in pass 2 could be added in any future Smash or never added and it makes no difference. The character has to be from a game old enough to be in pass 1 but was delayed to pass 2’s timeframe, it’s not Metroid Dread(the concept for Dread has obviously existed forever but this was when Metroid Samus Returns was still relevant and it is entirely possible that they didn’t ask MercurySteam to make Dread yet) and while Pokemon could fit that criteria(but probably doesn’t), the spirits deconfirm it.

Lastly, EMMI DOESN’T make more sense than Nahobino because EMMI isn’t a character, it is a generic robot model type programmed by the federation to hunt down the remnants of the X parasite(which Samus has because of the events of Fusion) and destroy it, it doesn’t have its own personality and there are confirmed to be multiple copies of EMMI in Dread. The most you can hope for EMMI is a boss battle in a future Smash, and the fact that the EMMI are designed to be indestructible kind of makes even that inclusion unlikely. A BOTW character does fit the time frame for being considered for pass 1(and we do know Sakurai wanted to do BOTW Zelda but gave up on that idea)and could conceivably be in pass 2, but BOTW is a delayed Wii U game that came out in 2017 and BOTW2 isn’t even fully confirmed for a 2022 release date, there is absolutely no reason to wait this long to
put in a character from that game, and there is the fact that it has spirits(and so does Skyward Sword btw). Gen 8 Pokémon again has spirits, Gen 4 Pokémon has spirits and a fighter etc. Nahobino by far makes the most sense out of any of the characters from upcoming games on Switch because SMT has no content in Smash, even Advance Wars has Smash content.

We can believe that anyone can get in all we want but all that does is set us up for disappointment. Nintendo is clearly following a pattern with the dlc inclusions for Smash Ultimate.

1. We were never given that as a reason, you're just making stuff up to fit your weird theory. We've been told Nintendo Picks the dlc, Sakurai liking Persona 5 wasn't mentioned as a reason.

2. Yup, Sakurai never said that, because it literally didn't exist. For Hero's presentation he said they initially planned for more Fighters to have the same style of presentation as Joker, but they cost more money, and doing a Sakurai Presents is more cost effective. Once again, there isn't a weird conspiracy. And of course Joker and Persona are more well known thanks to stuff like Smash, but Persona is also infinitely more marketable than SMT, thanks to its style and gameplay.

3. That doesn't change the fact that Sephiroth's presentation is the only one to be age restricted. And the only games in that presentation were Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Super Mario RPG.

4. You're right, I don't know if you're right or not. But I still think it's unlikely Joker was added in late, because that just seems disorganised and incompetent of Nintendo.

5. You're saying that like I don't know what I'm talking about, even though I have actual evidence for what I'm saying. Also, this is all just for fun really, just because I haven't dedicated my life to proving my crackpot theory doesn't make me any less "qualified" to talk about stuff on here. I never said I was better than you, but complaining about my evidence being wrong (and giving an example of something that I said was nothing more than an educated guess) is really hypocritical considering some of what you've talked about is flat out wrong. Speaking of which:

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that pack 11 was not originally a part of pass 2, or the fact that pass 2 was not supposed to exist originally and that one of the characters in pass 2 was supposed to be in pass 1 because the rest of the characters in pass 2 could be added in any future Smash or never added and it makes no difference. The character has to be from a game old enough to be in pass 1 but was delayed to pass 2’s timeframe, it’s not Metroid Dread(the concept for Dread has obviously existed forever but this was when Metroid Samus Returns was still relevant and it is entirely possible that they didn’t ask MercurySteam to make Dread yet) and while Pokemon could fit that criteria(but probably doesn’t), the spirits deconfirm it.

This is all just made up as far as I can tell. Nobody said the final pack wasn't originally meant to be there, they said they initially only planned to do 1 or 2 extra characters, which is completely different. Pass 2 wasn't initially planned, but them making another pack was probably just because it made sense. The base game and first pass sold really well, so it made perfect sense to make more dlc no matter what characters are included.

And nobody said the final character was supposed to be in pass 1, why do you even think that? You've just made that up to fit your theory.

And saying the EMMI not having a personality is probably not the best argument considering Nahobino is a literal blank slate for you to project your morals onto. Besides, we have Steve, so that doesn't matter much. It being indestructible is a slightly bigger problem, but they don't always perfectly represent a character, especially when it comes to Metroid. Literally none of those characters function how they do in the original games.

ARMS got a character and was released in 2017, BOTW could still easily work, especially with Age of Calamity and BOTW 2.

Finally, you implied that I want all the characters I mentioned, but... I'd much rather have Nahobino than any of them. I actively don't want another Pokemon, but I know that it's more likely. I'm more active on the SMT support thread than here most of the time, but I can see why an SMT rep might not happen.

Acting like you know what Nintendo chose and why, and acting like your theory has no problems and is 100% factual is both stupid and arrogant. You seem annoyed when people argue with you on a discussion thread, when that's the entire point.

I can't tell if this is bait or not, but if it is, it isn't very good, because nobody's annoyed, you just make yourself look ignorant.

 

[Gengar84]

I don’t get why it even matters why a character is chosen. As long as they’re fun to play the character is cool, that’s all I care about. I was hyped for Joker’s reveal because I like him and Persona and it makes absolutely no difference to me if he was chosen due to Sakurai bias or any other reason. I’m amazed you guys can argue this much about something like this.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The entire video game music thing was a last minute change as far as I’m aware, they scrapped an Akira themed motorbike scene and much more. The companies who are involved may have paid for the rights, and Nintendo figured they already had plenty of press from when the Prime Minister of Japan announced the Olympics 4 years ago dressed up as Mario.

Considering all the **** that happend these past few days regading people getting booted, replacing everything with VG OSTs is a complete win and just as good

 

[Theguy123]

l like how the topic went from talking about if people believe in M theory to people arguing whether it’s real or not and doing there best to prove or debunk it, to then people trying to argue other theories and call other people’s theories awful and then to arguing over wether joker wasn’t planned to be in FP1 to then arguing wether FP11 was planned for the pass (which it was and it’s ridiculous that people think otherwise)

What a strange turn around things have become

 

[Gengar84]

I don’t think I have the dedication and energy for these types of long arguments anymore. I’m just along for the ride and I’m pretty easy to please.

 

[spicynun]

I always figured FP11 speculation would be weird but I didn't expect it to be joined alongside Nickelodeon speculation

 

[Staarih]

Iirc there's been some controversy in Japan as to whether have or not to have the Olympics at all so I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo just didn't care to be a part of it. I'm sure they've been asked.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don't get what you mean but ok ig
never said that Sephiroth doesn't have merits, but half the reasons behind his inclusion could've been to fix FF7's mediocre rep in base game (trust me, it was the absolute bare minimum a franchise can get).

I was just saying, I don't see how Sephiroth could be considered a "second chance" character. The rest of the reasoning, for Min Min, Steve, Pythra, and Kazuya, all make sense in this classification.

I'm not saying they don't, but does the OLED really count as an "upgrade"? Cause we know very well that when people were asking about a Switch upgrade, they were very clearly meaning a more powerful Switch in terms of hardware and whatnot, like with the 3DS and New 3DS. And as far as I've heard about the OLED....it really isn't an upgraded version. Just has a different screen and a lan adapter slot for the dock. Not like the 3DS and New 3DS where the New 3DS actually had a stronger processor for better loading times, the little C-stick on the right side, etc.

By any standard- it is an upgrade. Upgraded screen, updated visuals, updated sound, updated kickstand, updated look. Now, is it a 'new model?' Who knows. But It's curious to me that this is even a conversation, and the kinds of mental gymnastics one will go to rather than just accepting reality as is.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Had a RANDOM though just now where Sakurai would "announce" 5 free to download echo fighters out of nowhere, whether you had the DLC or not

Dixie Kong for
Rock Howard for
Violet for
Black Shadow for
Ms. Pacman for

 

[Gengar84]

Had a RANDOM though just now where Sakurai would "announce" 5 free to download echo fighters out of nowhere, whether you had the DLC or not

Dixie Kong for
Rock Howard for
Violet for
Black Shadow for
Ms. Pacman for

I would never complain about more content although I wish Dixie would have her own unique moveset. A lot of Diddy’s moves don’t really work for her.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

1. We were never given that as a reason, you're just making stuff up to fit your weird theory. We've been told Nintendo Picks the dlc, Sakurai liking Persona 5 wasn't mentioned as a reason.

2. Yup, Sakurai never said that, because it literally didn't exist. For Hero's presentation he said they initially planned for more Fighters to have the same style of presentation as Joker, but they cost more money, and doing a Sakurai Presents is more cost effective. Once again, there isn't a weird conspiracy. And of course Joker and Persona are more well known thanks to stuff like Smash, but Persona is also infinitely more marketable than SMT, thanks to its style and gameplay.

3. That doesn't change the fact that Sephiroth's presentation is the only one to be age restricted. And the only games in that presentation were Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Super Mario RPG.

4. You're right, I don't know if you're right or not. But I still think it's unlikely Joker was added in late, because that just seems disorganised and incompetent of Nintendo.

5. You're saying that like I don't know what I'm talking about, even though I have actual evidence for what I'm saying. Also, this is all just for fun really, just because I haven't dedicated my life to proving my crackpot theory doesn't make me any less "qualified" to talk about stuff on here. I never said I was better than you, but complaining about my evidence being wrong (and giving an example of something that I said was nothing more than an educated guess) is really hypocritical considering some of what you've talked about is flat out wrong. Speaking of which:



This is all just made up as far as I can tell. Nobody said the final pack wasn't originally meant to be there, they said they initially only planned to do 1 or 2 extra characters, which is completely different. Pass 2 wasn't initially planned, but them making another pack was probably just because it made sense. The base game and first pass sold really well, so it made perfect sense to make more dlc no matter what characters are included.

And nobody said the final character was supposed to be in pass 1, why do you even think that? You've just made that up to fit your theory.

And saying the EMMI not having a personality is probably not the best argument considering Nahobino is a literal blank slate for you to project your morals onto. Besides, we have Steve, so that doesn't matter much. It being indestructible is a slightly bigger problem, but they don't always perfectly represent a character, especially when it comes to Metroid. Literally none of those characters function how they do in the original games.

ARMS got a character and was released in 2017, BOTW could still easily work, especially with Age of Calamity and BOTW 2.

Finally, you implied that I want all the characters I mentioned, but... I'd much rather have Nahobino than any of them. I actively don't want another Pokemon, but I know that it's more likely. I'm more active on the SMT support thread than here most of the time, but I can see why an SMT rep might not happen.

Acting like you know what Nintendo chose and why, and acting like your theory has no problems and is 100% factual is both stupid and arrogant. You seem annoyed when people argue with you on a discussion thread, when that's the entire point.

I can't tell if this is bait or not, but if it is, it isn't very good, because nobody's annoyed, you just make yourself look ignorant.

I think the bigger obstacle in EMMI and Nahobino's way is the fact that the cames are coming out in October and November. Idk but even if the final fighter takes extra long and comes out a few days after Metroid Dread and SMT V, it'll not give players time to familiarize with the characters... but then again, it's not the first time. Looking at Roy.

Anyways what will be will be as they say!

 

[pupNapoleon]

So I was pretty much thinking a bunch about who the last DLC character could be, and the main topic that always comes around is the idea that the last DLC character will come from a recently released game that came after Three Houses. Corrin and Bayonetta were the last 2 characters added to Smash that had a fairly recent entry to their respective series (though Corrin's was far more recent than Bayo's), and Byleth was the last DLC character in Vol 1 as Three Houses was also 1 of the most recent games to come out around that timeframe. However, the only real contender that always pop up in my head is a Pokemon from Sword and Shield while holding hope for a miracle in Zagreus from Hades being that new character for CP11.

After seeing a decent amount of posts on the subject, I'm starting to believe Nahobino from SMT V is a likely candidate for that scenario. SMT V is a game that's been in development since January 2017 and is currently set to release this year, and even if you believe it's "too late" for that happening, keep in mind 2020 was a very hectic period for game developers as everything around the pandemic caused setbacks and delays. Given it's set to release in late Fall of this year, the game was already more than half finished by the time proposals for fighters in Vol 2 were going around. Nintendo probably kept a keen eye on the project and figured the game would be finished before Vol 2 was finished, so Nahobino being CP11 is actually pretty possible.

Personally I'm not so interested in SMT V or the game getting a Challenger Pack, but I can definitely see it getting the last spot in Vol 2 for being a fresh new game. It might not be likelier than Sword and Shield, but it's already above most of the fairly recent games like DOOM Eternal and Hades for that matter.

I do think if it is a new game, it will be from Ring Fit Adventure.

Where has he explicitly stated that Persona influenced Smash? I know he's said that he greatly enjoyed Persona 5's UI in his Famitsu column, but he doesn't mention Smash there. I also skimmed the special interview he did with Atlus and found general praise of the UI, battle system, etc, but nothing explicitly saying it influenced Smash. I don't mean that first question as a gotcha, I'm legit asking -- I very well could be missing something, so if he does indeed explicitly tie Persona 5 to Smash's development, then feel free to disregard the next paragraph.

However, if the influence is a matter of "he praised this aspect of another franchise and then proceeded to adopt the same practice in Smash", then I think there could be more than just KoF and Persona that apply. For example, he's had a 2005 entry in his Famitsu column where he praised the TGS promotional videos for the Ace Attorney DS ports. He noted how the in-universe characters were talking about the game itself, and how it used the same layout & atmosphere of the original games -- both of which were used in multiple Smash reveal trailers from that point onward, starting with the Snake portion of the E3 2006 Brawl reveal.

I use the Ace Attorney example because that's the one I know of (because I'm a little bit obsessed with the franchise lol). But I just want to check to make sure Sakurai actually said Persona influenced Smash and it isn't another one of those claims that got slightly twisted and then spread around (like "Reggie said new franchises" for FP1).

It's from Sakurai discussing the Smash Interface. However, another fun thing came up in this light retread:
"Joker joining the roster in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is mainly due to invitation from Masahiro Sakurai (Sora Ltd.)," reads a translation of Hiraoka's statement. He goes on to say that Sakurai "likes Persona 5 very much, and I happened to like Super Smash Bros. very much. So, when (we) received the invitation, the first thing we thought is 'Great!'”
SOURCE

 

[TheLamerGamer]

I think the bigger obstacle in EMMI and Nahobino's way is the fact that the cames are coming out in October and November. Idk but even if the final fighter takes extra long and comes out a few days after Metroid Dread and SMT V, it'll not give players time to familiarize with the characters... but then again, it's not the first time. Looking at Roy.

Anyways what will be will be as they say!

Yeah, I believe that those are the biggest obstacles as well. But it worked in my argument, since if Nahobino is being considered "likely" then EMMI is also likely, since it's being developed internally and releases a bit sooner. I do think they're both unlikely though, since as you said, their games aren't even out yet.

I don’t get why it even matters why a character is chosen. As long as they’re fun to play the character is cool, that’s all I care about. I was hyped for Joker’s reveal because I like him and Persona and it makes absolutely no difference to me if he was chosen due to Sakurai bias or any other reason. I’m amazed you guys can argue this much about something like this.

That's how I feel as well. I was just getting annoyed that they thought Nahobino was 100% guaranteed and will definitely happen, without actually proving anything.

Also, I have no clue how I typed that whole thing lol. I've always been confused how people are able to write so much about a fun game for kids, and now I've done the same thing.

I don't think any character would disappoint me, since it's just a game, and I've already got plenty of characters I love. At worst I would feel indifferent to a character, but even then if they're fun to play as and come with good music I'll be happy.

 

[SNEKeater]

You are severely underestimating how huge SMT V is for the Switch just purely from a showcase of the Switch’s graphical capabilities alone.

Dude I literally got into a "discussion" the other day here because someone was overlooking SMTV's importance as a Switch exclusive game. Guess who was defending the game as a relevant third party exclusive for the Switch. It wasn't the other guy lol.

I'm completely aware of the game's relevance as a Switch exclusive. It literally was one of the main reasons for me to buy a Switch.

Because it has the demons that Persona uses and the same character designers. When you don’t know that Persona is related to SMT it is confusing to see another turn based RPG series from Atlus using the same monsters.

I'm going to answer this and then stop because at this point you're mostly using anecdotal evidence and fan theories and claiming all of that as the literal truth, so I don't think continuing this conversation will make us any good.

No, Persona and SMT don't share the same characters designers. Just clarifying this because this is basically wrong info and I wanted to clear that out to avoid other people actually believing you. Unless you're talking specifically about Persona 1 and 2, which I really doubt. Kazuma Kaneko designed the characters for those 2 games (specifically the PS1 versions, not the remakes). From that point forward it was Soejima.

For SMT, Kaneko was in charge until SMT IV, if I remember correctly. After that it was mostly Doi's work, which is the character and monster designer for SMTV.

how /s

The Sun Rises is a perfect theme for something like this. Not only it's a fantastic track but as you said, it would be very fitting :'(

 

[Megadoomer]

Aparently, this is the list of ost that were used for the ceremony

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— DJLani (@TheDJLani) July 23, 2021

I can't believe they basically got Never Gonna Give You Up into the Olympics opening ceremony...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think the bigger obstacle in EMMI and Nahobino's way is the fact that the cames are coming out in October and November. Idk but even if the final fighter takes extra long and comes out a few days after Metroid Dread and SMT V, it'll not give players time to familiarize with the characters... but then again, it's not the first time. Looking at Roy.

Being fair on Roy.

1. He was a late addition alongside the other clones, not part of the original plan. So he wasn't really treated in the same way.
2. Roy's game got delayed while Melee was rushed and crunched, leading to the latter coming out four months before the former when it was supposed to be the other way around. And given that this was the early 2000s, there probably weren't easy ways four two studios to properly communicate on a constant basis like we do today.

And we never saw a situation like this ever again with the exception of Lucas being from a Japan-exclusive game when Sakurai assumed he'd have an international release.

But these aren't arguments in favor of EMMI or Nahobino. Rather instances of Sakurai messing up, which likely led to him being more careful with his choices.

 

[Stratos]

The Kingdom Hearts series as it is known is with characters from Square Enix and Disney. I read somewhere that Sora besides the fact that the Kingdom Hearts series has Disney characters, another reason that he does not come in Super Smash Bros. because Disney itself does not allow it.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Few things in life are inevitable

A rickroll is one of them.