Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

Just curious did yall make a TGA 2020 thread?

 

[Schnee117]

Did RE get spirits because it's a highly influential and popular game series that went beyond gaming with a series of (awful) films?

No, it must be because some ports were revealed at E3.

 

[pupNapoleon]

You COULD argue they saw how popular Persona 5 was, and decided to jump on it.

It wouldn't be a strong argument. It applies to how many games exactly?
No- it was chosen because Sakurai loves it. He went out of his way to say that Brawl's interface wouldn't have been possible without Persona.

Yes, it could be a coincidence. However, choosing to ignore the more notable part of that information, seems willfully ignorant.

But, as I said, short of a Nintendo representative explicitly stating Nintendo themselves chose Persona, specifically, my reading of facts will continue to remain the logical choice.

Counterpoint, Sakurai likes a lot of video games.

But he doesn't often state that a specific games specifically affected the creation of Smash. To my knowledge, the single two examples of this, are Persona and ...whichever of the two SNK games it was.

When did I mention anything about lackluster picks? That's just your own assumption
It's a 2nd chance precisely because it was planned for base game, but unfortunately couldn't make the cut. Time constraints and budget/copyright issues exist, especially when it comes to Square. Keep in mind FP2 wasn't planned at the time (Rex mii costume and base game spirits further add to this).

You said that Final Fantasy had poor representation in Music, etc, and that this makes Sephiroth a missed shot.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Since we're talking about bosses, which boss could come alongside your most wanted?

Mmm, the only one of my most wanteds that also has a Boss I'd want is Arthur. I think Astaroth would make a great Smash boss.

Hayabusa has Jaquio or The Demon. And Contra has a lot of bosses, but none that really interest me. And Kunio's bosses are all just dudes.

Hero's Classic final boss does reference the Dragonlord (DQ I's final boss), so there's that. Although if there might be a case for DQ3's / 11's Final Boss.

Actually, the most iconic/recurring boss in DQ is Estark from DQ4.

Oh gosh if Lavos from Chrono Trigger was a boss in Smash that would be amazing!

Just...a straight up better version of Dharkon.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Couldn’t that just be to have consistency with FP1?

No, because fighter pass 1 and 2’s censorship only appears in the presentation itself, there is no reason to have “consistency” when pass 1 is irrelevant and isn’t being shown in presentations now and the censorship doesn’t actually appear on the Eshop or anything.

Then where are our The Witcher 3/Overwatch/No More Heroes 3/Doom spirits? To name a few examples. These games were also advertised at E3 or different Directs with a decent spotlight. I don't see the correlation between Resident Evil and SMT in this case, and if there was any correlation, it is definitely not exclusive to both RE and SMT.

I agree with your FFVII-Nocturne example, though obviously in a much smaller scale in SMT case. But while Nocturne HD could definitely get a spirit event, I don't think anyone would be surprised if it ended getting nothing in that regard.

NEO: TWEWY, No More Heroes 3 or SMTV are much safer bets for spirit content if you ask me.

I don’t know what is going on with Overwatch or Doom but Witcher 3 is irrelevant because Geralt didn’t start as a video game character(and probably can’t get spirits because of this).

You are severely underestimating how huge SMT V is for the Switch just purely from a showcase of the Switch’s graphical capabilities alone.

I really want Nahobino as the final character, and think they have a definite chance, but... What?

This'll probably be out of order, and I won't respond to everything, but:

Sakurai can't lie about who chose characters. Nintendo picked the dlc, and that's a fact. Sakurai might still have influence, but it's likely Nintendo just saw a popular JRPG that even had people who didn't typically like RPGs praising it, and decided to use it in Smash as a marketing move. They're really close with ATLUS, so it can't have been hard. (I'm still confused why we didn't get that much music though).

Joker didn't get a Sakurai Presents because they only exist out of necessity. They used up so much of their budget on Joker's presentation that they had to come up with something else for the other characters that wouldn't cost as much.

The M theory stuff could be because of Sephiroth. His presentation was age restricted on youtube, so that could have been because they couldn't name FF7 due to its age rating (the remake seems more likely to be the reason for this though).

Joker took so long to come out because he was the first dlc character, so their team had probably changed, and the way they developed the game had to adapt to suit making dlc. Joker was literally revealed as the game released, and Sakurai said that they would only start developing the dlc after the game released, so they had to develop all of the pack's content before they released him, which takes time. It's not like there's a massive conspiracy about Joker in Smash.

Finally, you just sound really arrogant. There's no way you can "destroy" any possible argument, because nobody can do that. There are always things going against a character, no matter how likely they seem. And as for being the "only person with an extensive case for why he has to be the final fighter"... Other people have come up with all of the evidence you've given, or at least the stuff that actually makes sense. And he doesn't have to be the final fighter. I love SMT, but I know that there are loads of characters who would make far more sense than Nahobino.

1. I didn’t say Sakurai was lying, I was saying that Sakurai was giving reasons why he personally wanted Joker despite that being irrelevant whether he got in or not. Sakurai liking Persona 5 is literally the only reason we were given for Joker’s inclusion, and given the fact that Nintendo is the one that decides the characters, that reason is obviously bs.

2. Joker’s Sakurai Presents is more needed than for any character in both passes. The reason why millions of Nintendo fans think SMT is a Persona clone is solely because there was no Sakurai Presents for Joker to explain what Persona is and how it came from SMT. You don’t just dump Joker from Persona 5(a Sony exclusive game) into a Nintendo crossover without any explanation as to why or who the character is and where he came from and then spend 30 minutes explaining what Fire Emblem is to Nintendo fans after revealing Byleth, that is just stupid.

3. YouTube has nothing to do with censoring the 2nd pass when shown in the Smash presentation. Final Fantasy VII and its remake are both rated teen in America. Xenoblade 2 is far closer to a M rating than FF7 is and it wasn’t censored in the presentation(even though they did censor the character models and spirits). The final fighter is without a doubt from a M rated game and there is no way to wiggle out of that one.

4. I am willing to admit that I might be wrong about the reason Joker didn’t have a model in time for his trailer or why he doesn’t have a proper trailer in the first place, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an extra character not originally planned for pass 1 and that certainly doesn’t mean there isn’t controversy behind his reveal and inclusion, there definitely is plenty.

5. I wasn’t trying to sound arrogant, I was just saying I have covered everything in regards to why he could possibly not be the fighter, and every time I see a new argument on the web against him or think of one myself, I come away with yet another argument for Nahobino being the final fighter. I can’t name a single character that would make more sense than Nahobino.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Uhhh... no. Nintendo isn't choosing characters simply cause "Sakurai likes 'em." They're choosing them because they're from highly popular game, requested by another developer(only Min Min applies here), business-related, or an actual fan favorite.

They're a business and aren't trying to pick Sakurai fan favorites. He's gone out of his way to say none of them are his personal picks too. At least for Pass 1. He admitted Min Min and Ninjara are his favorites, so. That said, he could also mean another version of Hero that isn't playable, Slime, or anyone else from Dragon Quest. And so on.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It wouldn't be a strong argument. It applies to how many games exactly?

Quite a few because it's a common reason to get a character?

No- it was chosen because Sakurai loves it. He went out of his way to say that Brawl's interface wouldn't have been possible without Persona.

Yes, it could be a coincidence. However, choosing to ignore the more notable part of that information, seems willfully ignorant.

But, as I said, short of a Nintendo representative explicitly stating Nintendo themselves chose Persona, specifically, my reading of facts will continue to remain the logical choice.

It's not willfully ignorant if the evidence presented isn't actually evidence. I mean sure, it proves that Sakurai likes, and was very much influenced by it in his creative endeavors, but it doesn't prove that the character was chosen specifically for him, or by him, especially since the latter argument directly contradicts a primary source.

But he doesn't often state that a specific games specifically affected the creation of Smash. To my knowledge, the single two examples of this, are Persona and ...whichever of the two SNK games it was.

The severity of Sakurai's connection to the series also isn't evidence that they were chosen because of it, because that would require him liking the series in the first place to be evidence of this.

 

[Schnee117]

Atlus are a long time Nintendo partner (SMT has a bunch of exclusives, Trauma Center has exclusives, Persona Q games are 3ds only and there's Etrian Odyssey as well as a SMT/FE "crossover" of sorts among other things) and Joker was their new breakout star, it writes itself here.

SNK are also a long time Nintendo partner, Terry is their main man and SNK were (and still are) shopping around all over the place for crossovers which now includes WWE, Tekken, Guilty Gear, Gintama, Seven Deadly Sins, a bunch of Chinese MOBAs, For Honor, FEXL, Million Arthur, Dead or Alive and plenty of others on top of Smash of course. Again, it writes itself. If Sakurai actually had his way we'd have gotten Iori instead too.

Sakurai just really ****ing loves video games.

 

[Gengar84]

Atlus are a long time Nintendo partner (SMT has a bunch of exclusives, Trauma Center has exclusives, Persona Q games are 3ds only and there's Etrian Odyssey as well as a SMT/FE "crossover" of sorts among other things) and Joker was their new breakout star, it writes itself here.

SNK are also a long time Nintendo partner, Terry is their main man and SNK were (and still are) shopping around all over the place for crossovers which now includes WWE, Tekken, Guilty Gear, Gintama, Seven Deadly Sins, a bunch of Chinese MOBAs, For Honor, FEXL, Million Arthur, Dead or Alive and plenty of others on top of Smash of course. Again, it writes itself. If Sakurai actually had his way we'd have gotten Iori instead too.

That’s still crazy to me that SNK had a crossover with WWE. It was weird enough seeing WWE wrestlers in Brawlhala. Is Smash next?

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[GilTheGreat19]

Ya know Jaquio from Ninja Gaiden does have a striking resemblance to Dharkon

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

No, because fighter pass 1 and 2’s censorship only appears in the presentation itself, there is no reason to have “consistency” when pass 1 is irrelevant and isn’t being shown in presentations now and the censorship doesn’t actually appear on the Eshop or anything.

How do we know both passes won’t be shown later? Like as a celebration when the Final Ultimate Newcomer is revealed?

How do we know they aren’t just using a template?
”Use this for the EU and this for the US”

I’m not opposed to the idea of an M Rated character, but acting as if its a 100% certainty is setting yourself up for failure.

 

[PeridotGX]

Speaking of mods, I don’t know how many here follow the modding scene but it looks like they mostly fixed the one slot issue. I think the only problems now are with Pac Man and Steve.

that's nice to hear. I don't have any real intrest in Ultimate modding, I don't want to mess with my switch and my computer would probably try to melt if it tried emulating a switch, but I hope it becomes as well developed as Brawl modding is.

So what would you guys think of a "True Arena" for Super Smash Bros.?

1. Rayquaza
2. Rathalos
3. Dracula
4. Galleom
5. Ganon
6. Giga Bowser
7. Marx
8. Ridley
9. Duon
10. Meta Ridley
11. Porky
12. Tabuu
13. Galeem & Dharkon (phase 3 only, or at least, phase 1 and 3 only)
14. Master Hand & Crazy Hand
15. Master Core (Master Giant, Master Beast, Master Edges, Master Shadow, Master Fortress, & Master Core)

You should probably throw Metal Face, Yellow Devil, and the Dark Emporor in there. The stage bosses aren't the most well done bosses in series history, but they should be there. You also forgot Petey Pirahna.

Here's how I do it. Your list is a baseline, bolded elements are new.

1. Petey Pirahna (no reason not to have him, i think you just forgot)
2. Rayquaza
3. Porky
4. Ridley
5. Meta Ridley
6. Duon
7. Galleom
8. Ganon
9. Giga Bowser
10. Marx
11. Dracula
12. Rathalos
13. Yellow Devil
14. Metal Face
15. Dark Emperor (the stage bosses aren't very well developed, but they should probably be here. No pyrosphere ridley, because 3 boss ridleys is a tad much)
16. Asriel (Undertale) (I'm just creating stuff to get a round number now. He would be a test of endurance, you don't attack him. He's equivalent to fighting a WOL boss with no spirits. I made a writeup for him.)
17. Dr. Eggman (if he's not going to be a character, might as well be a boss)
18. Sandbag (our Waddle Dee equivalent.)
19. Sigma (Mega Man X) (two phase, based on X1. I made a writeup and will link if requested.
20. Primal Dialga (Also wrote something for this)
21. Assist-Trophy All Stars (based on the Mid-Boss all stars from the Arena. The ATs are Spring Man, Hammer Bro, Black Knight, and Krystal.
22. Tabuu
23. Galeem & Dharkon (phase 3 only, or at least, phase 1 and 3 only)
24. Master Hand & Crazy Hand
25. Master Core (Master Giant, Master Beast, Master Edges, Master Shadow, Master Fortress, & Master Core)

25 bosses is... a lot, but if there's enough healing items i think it works.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Did RE get spirits because it's a highly influential and popular game series that went beyond gaming with a series of (awful) films?

No, it must be because some ports were revealed at E3.

That’s the timeframe when we got the spirits. They at least wanted to link the release of those games with those spirits.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You also forgot Petey Pirahna.

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I LOOKED AT A FREAKING LIST TO GET THEM ALLHOWDIDIMISSHIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You should probably throw Metal Face, Yellow Devil, and the Dark Emporor in there. The stage bosses aren't the most well done bosses in series history, but they should be there.

I personally don't count Stage Bosses as actual bosses since they are more in line with other stage hazards in terms of design than actual boss battles. In fact I might even go as far as to say that they are simply glorified stage hazards.

EDIT: At the very least, they wouldn't be fun as boss fights: The Dark Emporer straight up does nothing to try and hit you, Metal Face has a single attack that only works if you stand right over him and...the rest of the Gaur Plains stage exists, and the Yellow Devil is just a crap boss design in the first place is a really slow paced fight that doesn't really telegraph its attacks or anything.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Requested by another developer(only Min Min applies here)

Doesn’t this also apply to Kazuya since Harada requested Tekken be included?

 

[Schnee117]

That’s the timeframe when we got the spirits. They at least wanted to link the release of those games with those spirits.

We got the spirits in Late November, a whole month after RE 5 and 6 released.

 

[Gengar84]

Mmm, the only one of my most wanteds that also has a Boss I'd want is Arthur. I think Astaroth would make a great Smash boss.

Hayabusa has Jaquio or The Demon. And Contra has a lot of bosses, but none that really interest me. And Kunio's bosses are all just dudes.

Actually, the most iconic/recurring boss in DQ is Estark from DQ4.

Just...a straight up better version of Dharkon.

Whenever I see the name Astaroth, I can only ever think of this guy:

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

How do we know both passes won’t be shown later? Like as a celebration when the Final Ultimate Newcomer is revealed?

How do we know they aren’t just using a template?
”Use this for the EU and this for the US”

I’m not opposed to the idea of an M Rated character, but acting as if its a 100% certainty is setting yourself up for failure.

Because the censorship only happens one presentation at a time and Europe’s laws changed to follow the US law during Pyra/Mythra presentation.

When a presentation is going on that particular presentation is the one being tested by the ESRB at that moment and therefore when a M rated game is shown in that moment it has to be censored by Nintendo.

If Nintendo did a 3rd pass without any M rated game being represented in it it wouldn’t be censored.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Whenever I see the name Astaroth, I can only ever think of this guy:

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Why does he look a Shao Khan wannabe

 

[Gengar84]

Why does he look a Shao Khan wannabe

You know, I never made that connection before but he really does look like Shao Khan. Astaroth is a character from Soul Calibur and the main character I play in it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Here's how I do it.

Here's mine:
Giga Bowser [Mario]
Ganon [Zelda]
Mother Brain [Metroid]
Marx [Kirby]
Andross(N64 version) [Star Fox]
Arceus [Pokemon]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Metal Face [Xenoblade]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]
Dracula [Castlevania]
Rathalos [Monster Hunter]
Master Hand & Crazy Hand
Galeem & Dharkon

Only one Boss per series, with most of the dumb Smash OCs left out. In the order their series joined Smash(similar to All-Star mode), with the remaining OCs at the end.

25 bosses is... a lot, but if there's enough healing items i think it works.

Just have rest rooms the way the Kirby games do Boss Rushes.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

We got the spirits in Late November, a whole month after RE 5 and 6 released.

That’s usually how we get spirits for new games.

A game comes out and then we wait for the spirit event to deconfirm those characters as fighters.

The exceptions to that are spirits that come as a result of buying the game(like Persona 5 strikers, Ghosts and Goblins Resurrection and Monster Hunter Stories 2).

 

[Perkilator]

Why does he look a Shao Khan wannabe

He looks more like a masked Kratos wannabe

 

[GilTheGreat19]

He looks more like a masked Kratos wannabe

Oh my s***, he does

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Because the censorship only happens one presentation at a time and Europe’s laws changed to follow the US law during Pyra/Mythra presentation.

That particular presentation is the one being tested by the ESRB at that moment and therefore when a M rated game is shown in that moment it has to be censored by Nintendo.

How does this disprove both passes being shown at the end and thus wanting consistency? FP1 would have to be updated when shown off and redesigning as early as possible makes sense.

And Tekken and Final Fantasy have had an M Rated game. How do we know the changes weren’t made for those series?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

How does this disprove both passes being shown at the end and thus wanting consistency? FP1 would have to be updated when shown off and redesigning as early as possible makes sense.

And Tekken and Final Fantasy have had an M Rated game. How do we know the changes weren’t made for those series?

Tekken has?? I know FF has type 0. This is news to me

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Tekken has?? I know FF has type 0. This is news to me

Tekken: Death by Degrees is M Rated. FFXVI has also been rated M.

 

[Theguy123]

Because the censorship only happens one presentation at a time and Europe’s laws changed to follow the US law during Pyra/Mythra presentation.

When a presentation is going on that particular presentation is the one being tested by the ESRB at that moment and therefore when a M rated game is shown in that moment it has to be censored by Nintendo.

If Nintendo did a 3rd pass without any M rated game being represented in it it wouldn’t be censored.

Never seen soo many fan made rules in my entire life as I have in this post and the last 3 you’ve made regarding M theory

 

[Perkilator]

Tekken has?? I know FF has type 0. This is news to me

Ah, yes; there was a side game starring Nina Williams called Death by Degrees.

It's not very good.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Tekken: Death by Degrees is M Rated. FFXVI has also been rated M.

Death by Degrees is a spin-off if anything

and I just checked FFXVI’s site and it still says Rating Pending?

 

[Theguy123]

Tekken: Death by Degrees is M Rated. FFXVI has also been rated M.

Don’t forget tekken kombat unless that’s the same thing you’re on about. I don’t know much about teken but I swear there’s a crossover game with mortal kombat that’s M rated.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Death by Degrees is a spin-off if anything

and I just checked FFXVI’s site and it still says Rating Pending?

Spin off or not, its still a Tekken game. Its in the name.

As for FFXVI, I’m not sure whats up with that. I just looked up “Final Fantasy M Rated” and this article popped up “FFXVI Is The First M Rated Mainline Entry“

Don’t forget tekken kombat unless that’s the same thing you’re on about. I don’t know much about teken but I swear there’s a crossover game with mortal kombat that’s M rated.

As much as I wish that were true, MK and Tekken have sadly never crossed over. Can’t find anything about a Tekken Kombat, perhaps it was fan game or ROM Hack?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Spin off or not, its still a Tekken game. Its in the name.

As for FFXVI, I’m not sure whats up with that. I just looked up “Final Fantasy M Rated” and this article popped up “FFXVI Is The First M Rated Mainline Entry“

Until it becomes official on the site I’m taking the FFXVI thing with a grain of salt

it’s likely to happen tho

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

How does this disprove both passes being shown at the end and thus wanting consistency?

And Tekken and Final Fantasy have had an M Rated game. How do we know the changes weren’t made for those series?

The passes aren’t being shown together anymore. There is no reason to censor pass 2 for multiple presentations without showing pass 1 just to maintain consistency when there is nothing to be consistent about.

Tekken has never been rated M in the US and Final Fantasy Type-0 HD is just one port of a spin off that has nothing to do with Final Fantasy VII(and obviously FF16 doesn’t exist yet).

 

[GoodGrief741]

The reason why millions of Nintendo fans think SMT is a Persona clone

Look man you can't keep making **** like this up, it's freaking embarrassing when you cite millions of people and nobody else even knows what you're talking about. At best you saw some YouTube comments and misconstrued them for something bigger than it is.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Until it becomes official on the site I’m taking the FFXVI thing with a grain of salt

it’s likely to happen tho

More than fair, the article says it was looking at the PEGI rating, if the site is US the rating may still be pending over here.

The passes aren’t being shown together anymore. There is no reason to censor pass 2 for multiple presentations without showing pass 1 just to maintain consistency when there is nothing to be consistent about.

Tekken has never been rated M in the US and Final Fantasy Type-0 HD is just one port of a spin off that has nothing to do with Final Fantasy VII(and obviously FF16 doesn’t exist yet).

How do you know the passes won’t be shown together later?

Tekken Death By Degrees was Rated M. And FF Type 0 is still a part of the Final Fantasy series regardless of how connected it is to VII.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Edit: Double Post, meant to edit existing post. Apologies.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Sakurai can't lie about who chose characters.

First... yes, he can. To believe this isn't even possible is just denying reality. However, I think you're going along the lines of, "he wouldn't." It is fine for you to feel this way- but personally, I find it very naive. A large portion of my job is public relations, which mixes heavily with marketing. The image is going to be painted to get the effect that a company wants. This is damn nearly always an absolute, with very few exceptions.

Quite a few because it's a common reason to get a character?


It's not willfully ignorant if the evidence presented isn't actually evidence. I mean sure, it proves that Sakurai likes, and was very much influenced by it in his creative endeavors, but it doesn't prove that the character was chosen specifically for him, or by him, especially since the latter argument directly contradicts a primary source.


The severity of Sakurai's connection to the series also isn't evidence that they were chosen because of it, because that would require him liking the series in the first place to be evidence of this.

No, Sakurai stating exactly two times that a series influenced Smash Bros, and those exact two- relatively random, for any other purpose- series have characters which make it into the game. This could be considered to be without correlation. However, since we are bringing up this idea of evidence: in a court of law, it would be considered Analogical Evidence, Character Evidence, and to some extent, statistical evidence. Or, in other words: "The Slothful Induction Fallacy
This fallacy occurs when sufficient logical evidence strongly indicates a particular conclusion is true, but someone fails to acknowledge it, instead attributing the outcome to coincidence or something unrelated entirely."

Until counter evidence is presented to support another scenario (evidence, not theory), then I don't see a reason, personally, not to believe it.

Now, the argument can be made that "Nintendo chose." However, I disregard this, in part because of past precedent, but additionally, for PR purposes. It is hardly a misstep for Nintendo to take the heat off of Sakurai, or slightly fidge what is being presented as information. The entire point of PR existing is for, "the professional maintenance of a favorable public image by a company or other organization or a famous person."

An example of this:
-Sakurai also said that DLC would be a way for him to include new worlds into Smash. By any face-value, this would mean a new series. Yet, still, not every character is from a new series.

 

[FreeFox]

The reason why millions of Nintendo fans think SMT is a Persona clone is solely because there was no Sakurai Presents for Joker to explain what Persona is and how it came from SMT.

Hey, do you know what is the meaning behind this "clone" thing. I dont think I have ever heard someone refer to a game as a "clone".

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Look man you can't keep making **** like this up, it's freaking embarrassing when you cite millions of people and nobody else even knows what you're talking about. At best you saw some YouTube comments and misconstrued them for something bigger than it is.

Millions is actually low balling it, it is more like tens of millions.

Go out in public just about anywhere and ask gamers or younger people if they have ever heard of “Persona” before. Most of them will say yes because of Smash and the Steam port of Persona 4 Golden.

But if you ask those same people to name 5 personas(demons) then the overwhelming majority won’t be able to do it, let alone know what SMT is.