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[M.K]

It sounds like he is being forced to go to sleep at said time rather than wishing to.
Ive just always gone to sleep at like one every morning so Im accustomed to it.

Ditto.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gone till Monday. Tournament trip. I think Xonar's gone as well, so the hydra is officially V/LA.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Smashfests all day son

 

[Xiivi]

Note

Don't offer people advice.

 

[Pierre the Scarecrow]

All hail Xiivi, the guy in the bleachers who points out the team's mistakes.

 

[Pierre the Scarecrow]

Btw, knowing someone's alignment during their ongoing games magnifies to you all their mistakes as town. It's a much harder game when you actually don't know everything! Mafia is literally designed for town to get over their mistakes - if they are able to, as a group, then they win; if they are unable to, as a group, then they lose. Add in the fact that the mafia will keep around players they expect to make mistakes so that they can sweep endgame with a townie who is willing to jump into the empty deep end, and you have a game where on-lookers are constantly disappointed by the end-game townies or disappointed by the end-game mafia gambits. Also, surface-level tells change as both sides dig deeper.

 

[Nicholas1024]

lol @ Pierre. Maybe, but if he's going to offer advice I'll take it.

 

[Deleted member]

Xiivi, would I be one of those bad players?

 

[Mediocre]

My first game I was a roleblocker masoned with Mediocre as a vote blocker. And we ran that game :D.

Hahaha, that was great.

What was that game again? I remember being partnered with you, but I cannot remember the actual name of the game.

I think one of us got lynched pretty close to the end, though?

EDIT: Nevermind, Frozenflame already said. Yeah, it was Trigun.

 

[Evil Eye]

I definitely agree with Pierre. It's just a whole new ballgame. I remember TLI, my first DGs mafia game, I had like one good scum-read in the entire game and I let off of it. Other than that, almost clueless. Then after I got nightkilled, when I knew all the secrets I was yelling and yelling away at my monitor watching the game from the graveyard.

And for a reverse opinion I remember Marshy and I were watching a Legion of Doom small game, nailed one bad guy and otherwise it was just this muddled mess and we'd have been willing to lynch literally almost every single person in the game.

Omniscience changes everything.

 

[Pierre the Scarecrow]

http://niccageaseveryone.blogspot.com/

 

[Deleted member]

A question here:

Ever since Smash Bros. Mafia, have I improved any? Look at completed games (Smash Bros. Mafia and Newbie Mafia 5) and games in progress (The Muppet Mafia, Newbie Mafia 6, Tree Stump Mafia).

 

[Rockin]

A question here:

Ever since Smash Bros. Mafia, have I improved any? Look at completed games (Smash Bros. Mafia and Newbie Mafia 5) and games in progress (The Muppet Mafia, Newbie Mafia 6, Tree Stump Mafia).

Right now, it's probably too early to judge whether you're improving or not (especially with ongoing games like Tree Stump Mafia). I suggest you wait till all the current games you're in finish, and then wait on commentary from other players.

 

[SummonerAU]

EDIT: nah idiot nah

 

[M.K]

A question here:

Ever since Smash Bros. Mafia, have I improved any? Look at completed games (Smash Bros. Mafia and Newbie Mafia 5) and games in progress (The Muppet Mafia, Newbie Mafia 6, Tree Stump Mafia).

Smash Bros. Mafia isn't complete yet.

 

[Deleted member]

He's dead so his performance will not change.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I interrupt this thread to tell you that Half life 2 is epic. GET IT.

 

[Handorin]

Played it. I need to finish up Episodes 1-2 though. =/

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I actually started with Episode 1 and am playing 2. I had memory problems when i played the original Half life 2, so i got bored of playing the part where you are chased by the Combines and just went ahead and beat episode one. I'm about 3/4 way through episode 2.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@M3D

Come on man, couldn't you have given us another awesome scene for that second modkill?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

V/LA from April 29th until May 1st.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What Gheb says, because I've gotta own him in that tourney : (
Probably gonna take it slow the day before and after too.

 

[Evil Eye]

In honor of UCM, you guys should share a controller for that tourney.

 

[Deleted member]

I've been thinking of starting DBZ Mafia off with Random Question Stage. Random Question Stage (RQS) is where we basically ask random questions to gather information from. The benefits of Random Question Stage is less rooms for mistakes, we gather more evidences in the long run, and helps elminates the possibility of an random vote lynch. Should I do that or should we continue with RVS?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't know if I should think 'urg' or 'cute'

 

[Xiivi]

RQS doesn't force people to take stances as the game develops & be held accountable for their actions. Instead it has them regurgitate meaningless non-game specific information that is not valuable to scumhunting. [Asking people their playing histories, how they play, etc... is an easy way for scum to coast by as it doesn't actually relate to the game at hand.]

RVS forces people to watch their votes and the votes of others and be held accountable for the actions they make (including being on a 'random vote lynch'). That information is game-specific that leads into scum-hunting when someone uses their vote questionably. [People voting each other is an actual in-game occurrence that can be tracked & monitored.]

Generally you don't want to focus on non-game specific information, as that is irrelevant and allows scum to coast by without a sense of urgency. You want to immediately put game-specific information out there in the form of votes and immediately start analyzing it which will force the 'randomness' to disappear as weak accusations based on minimal information escalate into strong accusations based on maximal information.

 

[Deleted member]

So, anyone played Mafia in real life? I just did that yesterday. After TAKS Test for Math, our class went into 1st period. We decide that after each TAKS (Still got two more to go), we woud have breaks. We played a few games of Mafia and it's so much fun. It feels a lot more natural and a lot more fun, especially since tempers don't flare a lot in RL Mafia games.

@Xiivi: Okay, thanks for letting me know.

BTW, does anyone approve of my new avatar? Or it is considered somewhat offensive?

 

[Deleted member]

I have with my family once. mafia is also based on the real life game "werewolves of miller's holllow", so not that suprising to be more "fun" IRL

 

[DtJ S2n]

Me and the other KY players have played IRL mafia before. I personally dislike it. When I played it I felt more like "lets watch to see who doesn't know where to put there hands" than actual scumhunting. When I modded I had a lot of "oh but I felt the table shake, so it must've been the player to the right of me" and ridiculous quick lynches.

AIMafia or ScumChat is the best if the players take it seriously, imo.

 

[Clownbot]

Never played RL Mafia but I doubt I'd enjoy it. I'm a nervous enough person irl in general, I couldn't handle something like that @_@

I don't use AIM but ever since I got interested in this place I've contemplated it, seeing as how so many people here seem to use it to play Mafia and pretty much just converse in general. So far the DG community seems pretty cool, for the most part.

Sold, what's ScumChat?

 

[Mayling]

Me and the other KY players have played IRL mafia before. I personally dislike it. When I played it I felt more like "lets watch to see who doesn't know where to put there hands" than actual scumhunting. When I modded I had a lot of "oh but I felt the table shake, so it must've been the player to the right of me" and ridiculous quick lynches.

AIMafia or ScumChat is the best if the players take it seriously, imo.

that's why i scooted away from the table and didn't touch it.

but then i got lynched for smiling. (was town though.)

no johns.

 

[Xiivi]

Quit being afraid to lynch before deadline. If you think someone is scum, don't be afraid to L-2/L-1/hammer them as long as you have good reasoning. Lynch before deadline, discussion is a distraction that allows scum to persuade/appeal to townies into the wrong direction. When you are comfortable with a lynch, get on it then.

More discussion until the very end of a deadline is not this awesome pro-town thing. Waiting until near-deadline to lynch gives scum the greatest influence as they are able to coordinate to swing the lynch into the direction they please due to time constraints on the town. I would consider waiting until deadline to make an informed discussion a scummy move. SWF has a problem with this mindset and should fix it because seeing deadline-no-lynches is really unacceptable. Pull your act together and realize the "it's you vs everyone" mindset is awful and that you have to figure out who your fellow townies are and must come to an agreement with them if you want to lynch correctly.

 

[Handorin]

Quit being afraid to lynch before deadline. If you think someone is scum, don't be afraid to L-2/L-1/hammer them as long as you have good reasoning. Lynch before deadline, discussion is a distraction that allows scum to persuade/appeal to townies into the wrong direction. When you are comfortable with a lynch, get on it then.

More discussion until the very end of a deadline is not this awesome pro-town thing. Waiting until near-deadline to lynch gives scum the greatest influence as they are able to coordinate to swing the lynch into the direction they please due to time constraints on the town. I would consider waiting until deadline to make an informed discussion a scummy move. SWF has a problem with this mindset and should fix it because seeing deadline-no-lynches is really unacceptable. Pull your act together and realize the "it's you vs everyone" mindset is awful and that you have to figure out who your fellow townies are and must come to an agreement with them if you want to lynch correctly.

Thank you.

PEOPLE READ THAT POST.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I read it.

 

[Rockin]

Quit being afraid to lynch before deadline. If you think someone is scum, don't be afraid to L-2/L-1/hammer them as long as you have good reasoning. Lynch before deadline, discussion is a distraction that allows scum to persuade/appeal to townies into the wrong direction. When you are comfortable with a lynch, get on it then.

More discussion until the very end of a deadline is not this awesome pro-town thing. Waiting until near-deadline to lynch gives scum the greatest influence as they are able to coordinate to swing the lynch into the direction they please due to time constraints on the town. I would consider waiting until deadline to make an informed discussion a scummy move. SWF has a problem with this mindset and should fix it because seeing deadline-no-lynches is really unacceptable. Pull your act together and realize the "it's you vs everyone" mindset is awful and that you have to figure out who your fellow townies are and must come to an agreement with them if you want to lynch correctly.

Wouldn't other townies see the push for a lynch a bit scummy, especially if the player turns out to be a vanilla town or a town pr?

 

[Deleted member]

If you have good reasoning they shouldn't.

 

[Xiivi]

No. That's only if you're stupid and don't understand the concept of mafia in which case you need to re-evaluate how you view the game.

Town needs to have a sense of urgency to lynch scum. When you feel someone is scum, you want them lynched, and you want to convince your follow townies to lynch them as well.

Of course you should allow for a claim before hammering, but that does not mean waiting until deadline or dragging the day out.

When you stay on a wagon and it gets to L-1, that means you are fulling willing to allow that person to be hammered because you are not removing your vote.

Mafia games are balanced in a sense that there are certain number of mislynches to be allowed. Standard small games allow for town to have 2 mislynches. As in, be wrong twice.

The difference between mafia and town is that mafia is informed. That is, they have the answers at the beginning of the game. Because of this, they must be wrong purposefully in order to push mislynches and achieve their win condition.

As a town player it is your job to discern whether the player was legitimately wrong and truly believed the person was scum, or had the intention of pushing a mislynch.

Immediately assigning blame because someone hammered town or was not on a scum lynch is poor play. Instead you must look if the person was purposely on the wagon/off of the wagon because they knew the answer beforehand. (Things like: "Well I think this person is town....but they could be scum...so I'll go on the wagon." Does this person sound like they know the answer beforehand and trying to act like they don't, or they are legitimately clueless because they are town? That's your job to decide.)

 

[Handorin]

People argue all the time that "Wanting to end the day earlier is anti town. The longer we play, the more info we get. That's what town needs."

All that does is give Antitown members more time to influence -you-. If you are sure on a lynch, go for it. That isn't to say, don't listen to any other cases, but you have to look at the big picture, and the details and hidden messages inside.

 

[Rockin]

K, so I'm the worst person to be given a vigilante role to.

discuss.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Agreed.

Rockin should claim vig (if he gets the vig role) at the beginning of every game so we can lynch him direct his shots