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[Oracle]

In the end I lost to Armada. I wasn’t upset or sad that I lost because I knew, and all the smart people of the community knew, that I could have won.

That's scrub talk right there. I'm not saying mango isn't good, but this article was not very well written and was incredibly disrespectful of many of his opponents. Displaying stuff like this isn't doing wonders for the community's image

 

[Roneblaster]

this community doesnt have an image.
he's saying whats on his mind.
it doesnt matter what kind of talk it is if its true.

 

[DAS]

I could not tell if the dude was arrogant or super confident, but whatever. At least he is pretty sure of himself if anything.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Mango *****

 

[DAS]

Can't deny his skills he does impress me with a lot of his moves.

 

[Koroviev]

http://youtu.be/-FBaTh0BxSA

 

[RyeJew]

haters gonna hate
keep em coming mango! :D

 

[Jonas]

That's scrub talk right there. I'm not saying mango isn't good, but this article was not very well written and was incredibly disrespectful of many of his opponents. Displaying stuff like this isn't doing wonders for the community's image

It is completely true that he could have won, and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Just a note, "could have" does not mean "would have under any other circumstances".

 

[Shore Top]

that last page of his blog was completely disrespectful to armada, trying to discredit his victory. mango needs to learn humility, he is still a kid. sure he congratulated armada and all, but it was really excuse after excuse. practice and get better mango, because at that point in time armada beat you fair and square. give armada the respect he deserves and, dont try to cheapen his win.

 

[Roneblaster]

i sense a troll alt being revived.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

If you read this while completely disregarding Mango's personality, you'll realize that a lot of what he says is completely true. When he started talking about how Peach can't really kill herself/make mistakes easily compared to the space animals, it would sound like the BIGGEST john on the face of the earth, but an unbiased reader would completely agree with it, no?

 

[Kal]

Wizzrobe, johns are about sportsmanship. It's not about assessing the ins-and-outs of gameplay. If I were to say "an advantage Peach has over Fox is that she is less prone to make mistakes" after my Fox lost to Peach, that would not be a john. On the other hand, if I were to post "I only lost because he went Peach and Peach is less prone to make mistakes than Fox," then that would be a john.

It's about sportsmanship and behavior. Mango displayed a clear lack of tact and sportsmanship in his blog.

 

[Bones0]

Most johns are true. They are still johns though. Anyone denying that Mango is johning mad hard is just delusional, but the people getting upset over it are just as ridiculous. I don't see how he can discredit Armada's victory.

Armada still has the money.
Armada still has the videos of him winning.
Armada still has that badass belt.
Armada while reading Mango's blog:

 

[Cactuar]

Lol wtf am I doing. Most of you are idiots. I have no reason to attempt to enlighten anyone.

Gonna go back to doin what I do best.

**

 

[Bones0]

I read that as "eliminate you." :|

Oh wow, so of course you edit "illuminate" making me look like a moron. >_>

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'd put $5 on Armada's YL beating Hbox's Sheik.

I'd put $5 on random Falcon main beating Hbox's Sheik.

 

[Myztek]

Mango is an experienced, talented player at this game. He's not trying to dis Armada, he's just speaking his mind.

If all you can take away from this is that Mango is just a cocky smack talker, then you're a scrub. He's only displaying confidence, which any top player has. He knows what he's talking about.

If anything, it should be looked at as an insight to the way Mango's mind works when it comes to Melee. It takes a certain type of mentality to reach the top of your profession/hobby, and I personally enjoy knowing his perspective.

Learn from it.

@Cactuar : Its disappointing to me that you don't share your thoughts.

 

[t3h Icy]

If you read this while completely disregarding Mango's personality, you'll realize that a lot of what he says is completely true. When he started talking about how Peach can't really kill herself/make mistakes easily compared to the space animals, it would sound like the BIGGEST john on the face of the earth, but an unbiased reader would completely agree with it, no?

Spacies also often have more options, have better control in the neutral position (debatable) and don't have to hit as high a percentage of attacks to be successful. I'm sure Mango has a lot of interesting things to say about floaties vs fastfallers, and I'm sure Armada does too.

 

[1337h4xx0r]

Now, I might be completely wrong, but I just want to share my opinion on this matter.

When Mango says that Armada shouldn't have beaten him, I think it's just Mango saying that he could have won it if he didn't **** up. I'm pretty sure Mango is aware that his **** ups were his own fault, and that him ****ing up a few times does not in any way discredit Armada's win. However, if Mango were to complain about the stitch face Armada pulled in game 5, and said that Armada only won because of that stitch face, that would definitely be johning.

Another thing is what Mango stated in regard to how much more room for error Peach has than Fox. Any spacie main will tell you this is true. I'd imagine this is especially true against players like Armada, who can punish a missed l-cancel by basically just taking a stock from you. With Peach, you don't have to worry about that as much. Also, as Mango said, it's far easier to suicide with a space animal than with Peach. Mango ISN'T saying that he only lost because he suicided and Armada didn't, he's saying that, when you take into consideration that he suicided and Armada didn't and yet it was STILL a very close set, things may have turned out a little differently. However, he also acknowledges the fact that a lot of this can be credited to the designs of both characters. What makes this differ from johning is the fact that he said that Armada played great, which implies that it was Armada's sheer ability to utilize these advantages to earn himself that win. At the same time, however, you have to take into consideration that Fox IS the tougher character to play at that level. Obviously, it's not exactly an easy feat to play Peach like Armada does, but you also have to remember how tough it is to play Fox as technically as Mango does and still be consistent.

Another thing I would like to bring up is all this talk about Mango being arrogant. Is he? DEFINITELY. Is he willing to acknowledge that sometimes, his own arrogance gets the better of him? Judging by what he said when he talked about his feeling on losing to Taj, I'd say so. He KNOWS he can be exceedingly arrogant, and I believe he recognizes that that was a major influence in his loss to Taj. I think that match was pretty much reality punching him in the face, telling him that him winning the tournament wasn't something that would come to him unless he remembered NOT to underestimate his opponents. He didn't exactly like his chances after losing to Taj. After all, that would mean he would have to win 2 sets against Armada, and even for Mango, that's hard as **** to do. He admitted that him and Armada are almost even, with Armada just SLIGHTLY below him.

Anyway, I think we call all agree that the Genesis 2 grand finals were AMAZING, and that both Mango and Armada played amazingly. Like I said earlier, this is just simply my opinion and I may be completely wrong. I just wanted to throw this out there.

 

[Twinkles]

Most johns are true. They are still johns though. Anyone denying that Mango is johning mad hard is just delusional, but the people getting upset over it are just as ridiculous. I don't see how he can discredit Armada's victory.

Armada still has the money.
Armada still has the videos of him winning.
Armada still has that badass belt.
Armada while reading Mango's blog:

I lost so friggin' hard lol

 

[Wake]

Most johns are true. They are still johns though. Anyone denying that Mango is johning mad hard is just delusional, but the people getting upset over it are just as ridiculous. I don't see how he can discredit Armada's victory.

Armada still has the money.
Armada still has the videos of him winning.
Armada still has that badass belt.
Armada while reading Mango's blog:

This is a good post haha

 

[Pi]

bones makes good posts usually

 

[Sinji]

people talking bad stuff about Mango. He's speaking his mind. Lets not forget that this game is a competition. Try to get on his level and coop with different viewers.

 

[SSBMLahti]

people talking bad stuff about Mango. He's speaking his mind. Lets not forget that this game is a competition. Try to get on his level and coop with different viewers.

Never in a million years would I imagine myself getting genuinely annoyed at someone changing their avatar so much...until you came along.

7-10 times a week is not cool bro.

 

[Frame Perfect]

Its what the greatest player in the world thinks about his opponents, his opponents that to him are inferior. This is pure uncensored mango.

Take it or leave it.

i laughed, i cried(mostly from laughter).

i wonder how long it took to unveil this masterpiece... looks like a little kid wrote it. pretty disrespectful to some of the highest level players in the world... including the highest, armada.

Lol wtf am I doing. Most of you are idiots. I have no reason to attempt to enlighten anyone.

Gonna go back to doin what I do best.

**

getting 3 stocked by m2k?

 

[Roneblaster]

Ih frame perfect is one of THOSE people.

 

[Strong Badam]

I learned very little from the blog... hoping his next article is more insightful.
don't really care about the other drama people are bringing up.

 

[Frame Perfect]

should be expected really... mango has done the same to hbox when he was arguably the best and m2k well before he dethroned him.

 

[Varist]

Mango is pretty much perfect and people who don't respect that he is better than them are bad human beings. Hating on Mango and calling him arrogant is disrespectful. Saying anything negative about Mango, the best player in the world, is unacceptable. By that I mean it will not be accepted. It will be denied.

Mango is an average-sized human male enveloping a dizzying potluck of Melee knowledge. Mango is the arbiter of our wishes and our dreams and he symbolizes what our players should aspire to be (even if they will in all likelihood never come close to living up to those aspirations).

Mango said he could have won because he could have won. Mango didn't lose because he didn't want to win. He lost because he wanted to win explosively and with great swagger. Mango lost our tournament but he won our hearts. Any woman will tell you that she is more important than some video game tournament.

 

[Frame Perfect]

i heard mango was illuminat

 

[strawhats]

Lol at varist's post. Also when was hbox arguably the best player. As far as I'm concerned there has only been 3 melee eras. Ken, m2k, mango, now we are in a transition of sorts where its like a 3 way vie for power(due to. Try hard mango's long absence and pp/armada's rise in skill)

Unless you're referring to hbox string of tournament victories in 2010, well after pound 4)

 

[Frame Perfect]

it's harder to believe mangos in the debate for top 2(considering pp/armada's record) than hbox being the best right before pound 5. and its alot harder to believe armadas not the best right now than either of those conclusions

 

[JPOBS]

it's harder to believe mangos in the debate for top 2(considering pp/armada's record) than hbox being the best right before pound 5. and its alot harder to believe armadas not the best right now than either of those conclusions

How long have you been following competitive melee?

 

[t3h Icy]

Armada is the champion, perhaps not the best. Apex 2012 will have all of the best players in the world. The last man standing there is the best.

 

[Roneblaster]

ive rewritten this post about 5 times.

i give up, i cant express exactly my awe of the stupidity displayed in this thread.

******* uninformed trolls: 1

Reneblade: 0

GG WP

 

[Glöwworm]

and because hes banned from smashboards.

The mods asked him if he wanted to be unbanned, but he didn't accept.

I know what Star King said happened quite a while ago, but if the mods were willing to unban him, then why not take up the offer now and post the blog here?

I guess it's better over at the dbr website - no censoring

 

[sidefx]

i laughed, i cried(mostly from laughter).

i wonder how long it took to unveil this masterpiece... looks like a little kid wrote it. pretty disrespectful to some of the highest level players in the world... including the highest, armada.

sorry i didnt know you had to be an english major to write a blog.

and like i said, you dont have to read it. you DO have a choice in what you read.. but regardless you are entitled to your opinions, but so is he.


edit: forgot to do what i came in here to do.

Hugs made a new post in the blog, go check it out!

http://www.genesisdbr.com/blog/?p=46

 

[Glöwworm]

Just read it and it's pretty cool. I like how in the title, **** is censored but then shortly into the blog, it's there uncensored

 

[sidefx]

Just read it and it's pretty cool. I like how in the title, **** is censored but then shortly into the blog, it's there uncensored

well its better not to have **** in bold text as the title on the front page of the site. probably get flagged ors omething on google search lol

 

[Bones0]

Hugs made a new post in the blog, go check it out!

http://www.genesisdbr.com/blog/?p=46

My response:

Very well organized and thought out blog. It's clear you've had this mentality (haha!) about the game for a while so that it's had time to become really concrete. I do want to shake things up a little with the way I've always viewed these aspects, however. I know people are fond of the idea that anyone can be the best, but it should be taken into account that your mentality and work ethic are talents in and of themselves. Some people are naturally hard workers, and some people naturally have a winning mentality. They are skills just as much as hand-eye coordination and reaction time are. I would say the main difference between the more mentally focused skills and the more technical skills is that improving mental skills will have a much larger impact on your game. The difference between a player when he's playing confident and when he's playing anxious is vast.

My point is, I think it's misleading to say anyone can win. Obviously if someone like M2K puts in all those hours of hard work to improve he can, but that work ethic is a natural skill. Most people aren't willing to do what M2K has done to get to his skill level. In the same way, someone who can identify they have a bad mentality can work to change it, but not everyone has the natural ability to resist negative mentalities. That's just my take on the subject though. It is definitely one of great nuance and I was glad a player with your experience was able to give everyone some good insight into the mind of the player.