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Yea it should
Not at all. You can't really say something should be banned if you don't know how it works at all though (Which is why a stage is inherently legal, and the burden of proof lies with whoever wants it banned). You can sit and play on temple all day, circle camping is still broken. You can play on RC for the first time against someone who knows it and you're going to get outplayed simply because they know their options at each section of the stage while you are left clueless.
No wonder its a problem then. Based of that, any mishap on PTAD was probally due to lack of knowledge about the stage, not the stage itself.
Uh, I believe I said that I prefer Picto banned.
Reading: It's useful on Smashbaords AND in Brawl.
That was Blackwaltz not Blackanense.
Again, start up animation for a throw is LESS than the draw animation before a transformation becomes active. In other words if you are standing next to where the bomb will spawn on Picto you will have more warning to get out of the way than you would if you stood next to D3 if he were throwing a Gordo.
My point exactly. You are drawing subjective lines of what is acceptable randomness. Clearly you and most of the community is OK with some randomness since I don't see anyone arguing for Yoshi's to be banned. However, if the case were "All random is bad regardless of degree" then it is pretty clear Yoshi's would need to go just as Picto would.
On Picto, the camera shot can prevent you from ever seeing the starting draw animation before it affects the gameplay. On top of that, it interrupts what's already going on in the match, many times, during long actions, such as knockback and grabs, nothing can be done about, except for not taking any action and retreating to safe zones. Should I avoid punishing someone because there's an X% chance that a spike might get drawn there and I'm near kill percents? If you find yourself unable to avoid a gordo or bomb, you've already screwed up pretty hard. That being said, Picto can also save you from your mistakes, some times even giving you an advantage afterward.
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THIS.
...Every stage that is not degenerate or overly random. PTAD belongs to neither category. Get@me.
Every time he uses his sideB, you have almost half a second to react to it. If you can't get out of the way of a potential gordo, then block. 99% of all cases, you can.
...Except you can expect a Gordo. It gives you quite a bit of warning and is amazingly telegraphed, and most of the time, DDD will get punished for the move. Heavily.
Same deal: you have to expect the chance. And it gives you a lot more warning than Picto. As in, 30-40 frames more.
Why is warioware banned?
The fact that there's exactly one random chance: "appears" or "not appears". You can prepare for that. Chillin's mistake was thinking he had already won. This randomness is nowhere near on the same level as Pictochat, as both players can and do react to it. Your opponent get saved? Knock 'em back offstage! They almost always have lag due to their upB/whatever. Steam's example is a little more ********, but hey-the balloon on pictochat can gimp ness...
Randoms? I've been around longer than you have. >_> Nor did I say anything about banning YI:B. Just pointing out the flaw in the logic of "If the stage can kill you, it should be banned".
...guess not. I'll just go then. I hope I get accepted to the University of Washington in the fall, so I can use their facilities to host good tournaments and teach new players not to be such scrubs.Thread said:
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I'm honestly looking forward to seeing what comes of all of this BBRRC stuff, so we'll see. If I can actually work up the time / capital to start hosting again (especially because Seattle has, from what I hear, a not good Brawl scene, and I'd like to fix that), that'd be pretty good motivation to catch up with the (I'm sure) myriad of changes that SWF has gone through in the last few months.
I'd expect more from you when it comes to understanding things. My entire point over the last few pages has been that what is acceptable in terms of random is a condition of degree, of which Warioware is to random (in particular the rewards) for...well every single TO in the country. Meanwhile Picto is considerably less random and many TO's have been using it for years.
My problem with this is that you can't control any of this. So basically, he needs to not be in a position where he has to recover when Picto could gay him? That's the entire match., until said drawing appears of course.
Ok, but what if your opponent prepares for that? Now you've got to pray that Picto doesn't decide to throw the line at you.
But that's the thing with Picto, it's never one factor to take into account. Any transformation can come at anytime, and you can get punished for trying to predict it and failing, or taking the risk and getting screwed by the stage.
Unlike Picto chat, everyone knows that there is the chance of the ghost coming. You can prepare for that. Unlike Picto, when anything could come at any given time.
Addressed above. There's only one thing that has a chance of coming on YI: the ghost. Picto: anything that hasn't appeared yet. Two different degrees of randomness.
