Confirmed Character Discussion (Part 2)

[roy_owns]

Stupid Broadband didn't get the internet working till now anyway, Sakuari is obviously exited about Snake we've gotten more info one him then any other character in less than 2 weeks

 

[Rhyme]

Hey everyone, my life's back on track so I'm back to cause mischief. -snicker- Oh, and on an un-related note, a "safety inspector" confiscated our "hazardous" extention plugs, so now we don't have sufficient outlet space for me to play Metroid Prime 3. I feel like crying. Anyway...back to business...

That would be beyond groovy. O_O

..or is that his personal entrance? Does that make sense? I never played MGS.

Perhaps there's now individual character enterances similar to the Smash64 enterances? Hold a button to pick your enterance, multiple enterances for some characters.

2) Snakes Down Special will be his cardboard box. I'm calling it.

6) Neck snap FTW.

That's what I've been saying since the day the box has been shown, so of course I'll agree with you.

Looks more like it puts people to sleep. Dthrow?

I'm thinking that ability might not only be an attack, but an absorbtion move that could help accelerate the build-up of the "Wario Waft".

Even a "You must shield!" update would be fine.

That's a crazy idea, and I love it. To make it a "bit" more balanced, how about he suffers whatever hitlag he'd have gotten. For example, if he glomps Samus' fully-charged shot, I want him suffering one full second of lag from it. If he nibbles one of Fox's lazers...pfft, who gives a care about lag?

No joke, if we got an explination of how these new shields work, that wouldn't be disappointing to me in the first place. But really, there's only one update that could ruin this week for me: Dark Samus...Assist Trophy!

It's a **** good thing I'm not superstitious.

Hey do you guys think that there will be a Running response Grab???
Like Snake did to Mario????

Well-timed grab => Bthrow

It seems to me somewhat similar to Ness' dB, only it requires timing, is one-sided, attacks (and by the looks of it... pretty hard), and instead of healing him it shaves a few seconds off the Waft timer in his butt. Seems pretty balanced to me.

I think it's better compared to G&W's "Oil Panic", but whatever.

9) It will also have the special effect of summoning memories of playing MGS and confusing people who never did! In the games, the ! and the sound-effect accompanying it occurred when an enemy spotted you, and was, of course, followed by all enemies in the area swarming in on you. I doubt that anything like that will happen, though. The walls at the sides are enough to make the stage unique gameplay-wise... I'm getting tired of all the stage hazards.

Hm...maybe triggering that funky alarm will set loose one of the Metal Gears we've heard about?

Dynamism: What you said before...

I go by the tier list because I believe that we, as flawed humans, have reached "our" level of mastery of this game. Having a few more years might increase the metagame slightly, but not enough for more than one "drastic change". If you're wondering what I mean, there's not going to be more than one other "Falco used to be 9th in '03 and now he's second", of that I'm sure. People have figured out the in's and out's of this game now, and I trust them.

I remember a while back when a bunch of kids at my school were into YuGiOh, I was thinking about getting into it myself. Sparing the obscure details, I became good friends with Michael Lucas, and he "calmly" explained to me that "originality is nice, but it doesn't work". (No seriously, we talked for months. And no, not the porn star, the card Guru.) Basically, he applauds all the people who enter the scene with fresh new ideas, but he also said that when a game has been around for several years, there's only so many strategies that have yet to be tried. Eventually you run out of material. It's better to stick with the current metagame.

Now of course I don't live by this religiously or I wouldn't main Samus, but I do agree that there is only so much room for originality. And, no matter how many "good" players I could ever beat with Samus, that won't raise Samus on the tier list, and it doesn't make Samus any better compared to the other characters.

twilight_hero: I was confused last time you said "Dyna" because I thought you meant DYNA-Dash, not Dynamism. My bad.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

That's a crazy idea, and I love it. To make it a "bit" more balanced, how about he suffers whatever hitlag he'd have gotten. For example, if he glomps Samus' fully-charged shot, I want him suffering one full second of lag from it. If he nibbles one of Fox's lazers...pfft, who gives a care about lag?

No joke, if we got an explination of how these new shields work, that wouldn't be disappointing to me in the first place. But really, there's only one update that could ruin this week for me: Dark Samus...Assist Trophy!

It's a **** good thing I'm not superstitious.

I think it's better compared to G&W's "Oil Panic", but whatever.

Thanks for the compliment;
liking your input;
don't worry, she won't be;
good thing;
ah yes, that's definitely a better comparison.

I sometimes forget about the little guy and his seldom used/ barely useful dB attack.

 

[Rhyme]

You're welcome.

You're a springboard.

I hope not.

Sure thing.

I thought so.

Also, I'm guessing that we're due for an item update tomorrow (by one minute only).

 

[Masque]

Thanks for the compliment;
liking your input;
don't worry, she won't be;
good thing;
ah yes, that's definitely a better comparison.

I sometimes forget about the little guy and his seldom used/ barely useful dB attack.

Semicolons = <333

You're welcome.

You're a springboard.

I hope not.

Sure thing.

I thought so.

Also, I'm guessing that we're due for an item update tomorrow (by one minute only).

Ugh, I dread item updates, only because they rarely interest me. That means that Thursday would have to be Lucas SM and Friday would be Ness for IMESCA to work. I just don't want to wait! Flash me your PK, Lucas! Show me some PK Love!

(...Really, though, do it.)

 

[Rhyme]

Haha, you are being too overly optimistic about this whole SM thing, and I don't plan to be eating those words anytime soon. Plus, since the update itself is soon, you know I mean what I say. (But do I say what I mean? ._o )

 

[Rhyme]

Heh, I was correct.

Lakitu ain't so bad. He's rather flavorful IMHO.

Hey, Aeris, wana synergize? Ya' know, work together to find something the both of us can look forward to seeing as well as expect to see? Might help that IMESCA along a tidbit.

OK, here's what I want you to do;

I'm gonna ponder which SMs of Lucas' I expect to be shown in Thursday's Dojo update. Don't look, just guess at what I might have written, think to yourself, then see if you were right. If we can guess the same two moves, maybe they'll appear.

Spoiler

upB and downB

 

[Fawriel]

It is official now. Nintendo are racist. Err, nationalist. ... double-nationalist. ................................. bigots, dammit!

I just now bothered to look up yesterday's update thread and realized what everyone has been talking about!
They didn't show us the three extra video clips on the UK version of the site....... tsk.

Anyway.

lol

Now that that's out of the way, maybe those conversations are easter eggs like the Star Fox intermissions.
Using them during a Single Player mode would be interesting, too... perhaps Snake could be a mini-boss in SE ( "I've gotta test your abilities first, shorty." ), and you have to fight him with every standard character before you can unlock him... *ponders*

Actually, now that I think about it, perhaps Sakurai chose to create the SE storyline exactly because it opens a gap between the Nintendo world and the dimensions outside of it, so that there could be a reason for the appearance of third-party characters...
Maybe Sonic will be unlocked by clearing the mode very quickly...


Also, today's update was funky.
That's all. =D

 

[LNKD]

hey what about ness is he coming to brawl he is a veteran !?

 

[Shritistrang]

hey what about ness is he coming to brawl he is a veteran !?

How are we supposed to know?

 

[OmegaXXII]

I hope Ness comes back and SHOULD return just like he was in SBB64

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

I hope Ness comes back and SHOULD return just like he was in SBB64

QFT

If they bring Ness back from the way he was in SSB64, he wouldn't be broken. Compared to other characters, he'd be very balanced.

I say take SSB64 Ness, keep the sweetspotted bAir, and either a meteor SSB64 version of his dAir or a spike Melee version of his dAir, make PK Fire a meteor attack again and make it a better trap again, make his dB do something other than absorb projectiles (something that can help offensively for those matches against Link or Marth or Ike or any other characters with inabsorbable [word?] projectiles or those with a total lack there of), find a midpoint between the range of Ness' uB recovery in SSB64 (god-like) and his uB recovery in Melee (pathetic), and also find a midpoint for the cooldown of that recovery, too.

That's the Ness of my dreams.

EDIT:
@Rhyme:
Good call with today's update being an item.
Now, do us all a favor and predict tomorrow to be Lucas' SMs and Friday to be Ness.

 

[TTemp]

You guys do realize that this supposed to be a CONFIRMED character discussion, not a thread for character promotions, right?...

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

You guys do realize that this supposed to be a CONFIRMED character discussion, not a thread for character promotions, right?...

So we're a little off topic. Who cares? We got this debated through deriving it from a conversation about Lucas. Plus, no evidence has yet been provided that says Ness is out. And with the return of Mr Saturn, it actually helps his case.

 

[OmegaXXII]

You guys do realize that this supposed to be a CONFIRMED character discussion, not a thread for character promotions, right?...

I suppose but this thread is to talk about characters confirmed OR not and besides we are comparing both Lucas and Ness so I think it's right

@Dyce - yea I also wanna see that Ness from SSB64 that would totally be awesome

 

[twilight_hero]

I've been sucked into the Hell dimesnion known as "school". Just got back out, and I only have a little time...I can feel myself being sucked in gradually...I need to hurry. Hello, all!

I'll just say my mind about the updates, and hopefully be back after I return from school again.

Monday
Monday was the day PH came out. We should have gotten a CSL update. As it was, we got a short update about a character representing a series I really don't give a d@mn about in Smash. [SARCASM]Great![/SARCASM]

Tuesday
Bunch of crap about Snake. All it does is make me want a Link-tastic video showing Link in action on his stage, like the "Snake Joins the Brawl" video.

Oh yeah, it also makes me wonder...that mine he's planting...he's digging, right? How's he gonna plant it on, say, Battlefield? Or BoE? Just wondering...

Wednesday
[RANT]I'm fvcking TIRED of items and ATs! God! Give us characters! Stages! Music! SE updates! NO MORE ITEMS![/RANT]

Okay, now I have to go. Hopefully, I'll see you all later.

Hey, I have a PM...oh well, I'll check it later...bye, all....

 

[Masque]

Heh, I was correct.

Lakitu ain't so bad. He's rather flavorful IMHO.

Hey, Aeris, wana synergize? Ya' know, work together to find something the both of us can look forward to seeing as well as expect to see? Might help that IMESCA along a tidbit.

OK, here's what I want you to do;

I'm gonna ponder which SMs of Lucas' I expect to be shown in Thursday's Dojo update. Don't look, just guess at what I might have written, think to yourself, then see if you were right. If we can guess the same two moves, maybe they'll appear.

Spoiler

upB and downB

Excitebike BLOWS. Lakitu makes up for it a little, but I couldn't care less about Excitebike. Blah.

And the synergizing won't work, seeing as quoting you reveals the spoilers against my will (lol). I was thinking that we would definitely see his Standard Special Move and one or two others (maybe Side and Up?). I just want his SM update so badly!

QFT

If they bring Ness back from the way he was in SSB64, he wouldn't be broken. Compared to other characters, he'd be very balanced.

I say take SSB64 Ness, keep the sweetspotted bAir, and either a meteor SSB64 version of his dAir or a spike Melee version of his dAir, make PK Fire a meteor attack again and make it a better trap again, make his dB do something other than absorb projectiles (something that can help offensively for those matches against Link or Marth or Ike or any other characters with inabsorbable [word?] projectiles or those with a total lack there of), find a midpoint between the range of Ness' uB recovery in SSB64 (god-like) and his uB recovery in Melee (pathetic), and also find a midpoint for the cooldown of that recovery, too.

That's the Ness of my dreams.

EDIT:
@Rhyme:
Good call with today's update being an item.
Now, do us all a favor and predict tomorrow to be Lucas' SMs and Friday to be Ness.

Very true. If Ness comes back, he should come back in style, dammit.

And yes, Rhyme, give us Lucas' SM update, please.

I've been sucked into the Hell dimesnion known as "school". Just got back out, and I only have a little time...I can feel myself being sucked in gradually...I need to hurry. Hello, all!

I'll just say my mind about the updates, and hopefully be back after I return from school again.

Monday
Monday was the day PH came out. We should have gotten a CSL update. As it was, we got a short update about a character representing a series I really don't give a d@mn about in Smash. [SARCASM]Great![/SARCASM]

Tuesday
Bunch of crap about Snake. All it does is make me want a Link-tastic video showing Link in action on his stage, like the "Snake Joins the Brawl" video.

Oh yeah, it also makes me wonder...that mine he's planting...he's digging, right? How's he gonna plant it on, say, Battlefield? Or BoE? Just wondering...

Wednesday
[RANT]I'm fvcking TIRED of items and ATs! God! Give us characters! Stages! Music! SE updates! NO MORE ITEMS![/RANT]

Okay, now I have to go. Hopefully, I'll see you all later.

Hey, I have a PM...oh well, I'll check it later...bye, all....

Well, I think everyone here knows how I feel about CS Link in Brawl (:ouch, but to each his/her own. Frankly, I was highly enthused with Monday's update. Yayyy, Lucas!

I agree that seeing those Snake videos makes me want to see "Peach Joins The Brawl", "Pit Joins The Brawl", and "Lucas Joins The Brawl". Who knows what time will bring? Maybe Sakurai will include videos like that in the game itself for all of the characters--or at least the newcomers.

As for the digging, two words: METAL FINGAZ!!!1!!11!

Items drag things down for me, too, mainly because so few of them can pique my interest. As far as recent ones go, only Resetti and Curry have interested me. Lakitu was mildly appealing, but I really couldn't have cared less about Lyn and/or the Golden Hammer.

I'm a music fan, though, so the more music, the better. How about some MOTHER3 music?! Hellz yeah! (Really, though, that would be lovely.) And with stages: we still have yet to see Mario Circuit, a MOTHER stage, a Metroid stage, an Ice Climber stage, or an F-Zero stage.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

I agree that seeing those Snake videos makes me want to see "Peach Joins The Brawl", "Pit Joins The Brawl", and "Lucas Joins The Brawl". Who knows what time will bring? Maybe Sakurai will include videos like that in the game itself for all of the characters--or at least the newcomers.

I think we'll be only getting those types of videos for 3rd Party guests, considering it was a just a Snake highlights montage put together by Konami and not Sakurai, Sora, or Nintendo. Not to say that it wouldn't be AWESOME to have each individual character have their own "[x] Joins The Brawl!" highlight video, but I think that we'll probably only be getting SE specific "[x]'s Descent" videos for the Nintendowned characters.

I'm a music fan, though, so the more music, the better. How about some MOTHER3 music?! Hellz yeah! (Really, though, that would be lovely.) And with stages: we still have yet to see Mario Circuit, a MOTHER stage, a Metroid stage, an Ice Climber stage, or an F-Zero stage.

Agreed, but I'd be a bit more content with some Kirby music (HUGE fan of the compositions on the Kirby stages so far, especially the music played on DL and FoD) and/or Zelda music (fingers still crossed for "Gerudo Fortress Theme").

As far as stages go... yes, you hit the nail right on the head. Though, after Icicle Mountain I'm a little wary about what the IC stage could possibly be.

And speaking of getting an F-Zero stage... when the FUNK are we going to get the good ol' F-Zero hero!?!?!?!?

 

[Rhyme]

I was figuring on the up- and downB specials for two reasons:

1. Those are two of the most original attacks in all of Melee (for Ness) and probably will be in Brawl (for Lucas). They'd be highlights, and a good way for Mr. Sakurai to show off "his" shiny new character.

2. Because Ness was so original, Lucas promises to be equally original, though not in the same way Ness was. That being said, if Lucas' up- and downB moves are very different than Ness', we know Ness will make his triumphant return. If they're what Ness' used to be...well so much for Ness, but at least we'll know how much differently the two moves will behave, since both these moves are well...just that way.

Honestly though, after not getting Lucas' SMs Tuesday, we're probably not getting them until Tuesday/Wednesday next week. I AM feeling a vet on Monday...not sure why. Just seems like an appropriate time to me. =/ And honestly, if I can't feel it for tomorrow or Friday, then my powers are not yet as great as those of yours (which is contestable after you had to wait so bloody long for both Peach and Lucas to appear).

I'm not sure when we'll be seeing Falcon...probably within the next two weeks at some point.

EDIT: Sadly, I feel that the longer we go without a Ness character update, the less likely it is that he returns. Also, if Dark Samus is a boss in the SE, I'm fairly sure that this doesn't offer ANY proof that she'll be playable. As a matter of fact, I think it confirms her as non-playable. So basically;

Ness appears inside of three weeks or not at all;
DS = Boss = NPC
DS = Mini-Boss = PC
Lucas' SM = awesome

 

[-NEOLINK-]

Still waiting for a ganon update....i also i got in a car accident this morning. unlucky
also im loving the stars in the background in the Animal Crossing stage.

 

[Knyaguy]

Still waiting for a ganon update....

Yeah ganon is a good character they should revamp this apperance with the twilight princess look like link.

 

[OmegaXXII]

- I'm also anxiously await a Ganon update (c'mon Sakurai what's taking you!?)
- you got in an accident man that must be harsh
- I could care less about smashville, it really doesn't interest me except for Tom Nook singing

 

[Dynamism]

Dyce-how could you not understand me when I say DS SE Boss? I thought you were a Metroid fan? jk haha

Rhyme-I know, I'm just making sure you're open-minded about this sort of thing. Which is good to see that you indeed are

Aeris-copied from the man himself "I think that in Smash, though, appearances are rarely what they seem." CSLink confirmed

All-copied again "Just because they’re flat doesn’t mean you can take them lightly." G&W confirmed

Character Monday = Character Friday
HAVE SOME COURTESY SAKURAI!
And Bowser SM is more intriguing to me.






SE Video on Thursday will go something like this...

Lucas is walking in the smoky area after the SArmy engulfs his homeland. As he enters the smoke, he can feel something. A precense, similar to his own. In the distance there is a figure approaching and he approaches it all the same. As they near, Lucas can see the figure clearly is his old equal...Ness. There is something different though. His eyes, they glowed purple. Ness was corrupted by the SE! Was this possible?

Ness approached the subject. It was Lucas. An freind that Ness never did meet. But his eyes were filled with evil. Dark magic in the form of a purple soul-less glow. He was possessed.

This was a well thought out trap. Someone had clouded their minds and has turned the kid heroes against each other. Each as good as ever, but not in the others eyes.

They faced each other, and the silence broke when Lucas waved his hand at the same time that Ness nodded. They felt a horrible evil from the one they were facing. Un-easy feelings, unaware of what was happening. They were ready to fight to the end against this lost friend turned foe. They had no idea.


PK FIRE!
Lucas absorbs it and sends it back with the PK magnet
Ness baseball bats it away.
PK ICE!
Ness jumps backwards PK THUNDER!
Lucas charges for a second then flies into the air PK STARSTORM!
Ness rolls away PK GROUND!
Lucas runs backwards then jumps away to avoid it
He teleports face to face with Ness and they grab each others hands trying to push eachother back, the PSI countering from one to the other. There is an explosion from the imense POWER.

In the distance, a shadowy figure on the back of the Halberg flying away turns and begins walking. His sword strikes a lighting bolt as he spins into the doorway.

That's it, of course it will be a simple eery 40 second video.
BAM!
Ganon FTW

Edit: i had to cap Power and add the battle seen, just too tempting

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Dyce-how could you not understand me when I say DS SE Boss? I thought you were a Metroid fan? jk haha

Dunno. For some reason... I thought you might have been talking about someone else. Normally, (and don't flame me for saying this any Ridley supporters out there because I'm pro-Ridley, too) it's Ridley that people say will be the Metroid boss.

 

[Masque]

I was figuring on the up- and downB specials for two reasons:

1. Those are two of the most original attacks in all of Melee (for Ness) and probably will be in Brawl (for Lucas). They'd be highlights, and a good way for Mr. Sakurai to show off "his" shiny new character.

2. Because Ness was so original, Lucas promises to be equally original, though not in the same way Ness was. That being said, if Lucas' up- and downB moves are very different than Ness', we know Ness will make his triumphant return. If they're what Ness' used to be...well so much for Ness, but at least we'll know how much differently the two moves will behave, since both these moves are well...just that way.

Honestly though, after not getting Lucas' SMs Tuesday, we're probably not getting them until Tuesday/Wednesday next week. I AM feeling a vet on Monday...not sure why. Just seems like an appropriate time to me. =/ And honestly, if I can't feel it for tomorrow or Friday, then my powers are not yet as great as those of yours (which is contestable after you had to wait so bloody long for both Peach and Lucas to appear).

I'm not sure when we'll be seeing Falcon...probably within the next two weeks at some point.

EDIT: Sadly, I feel that the longer we go without a Ness character update, the less likely it is that he returns. Also, if Dark Samus is a boss in the SE, I'm fairly sure that this doesn't offer ANY proof that she'll be playable. As a matter of fact, I think it confirms her as non-playable. So basically;

Ness appears inside of three weeks or not at all;
DS = Boss = NPC
DS = Mini-Boss = PC
Lucas' SM = awesome

I can see your logic, especially for the Up Special (to show that Lucas truly would be different than Ness). I'm still holding out for me and Dyce's IMESCA fantasy, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we had to wait a week to see Lucas' SM update. Fingers crossed nonetheless! (And why is it that the characters that I love so much take forever to get updated? Peach, then Lucas...who next?! We won't see Claus until late 2008....)

I also agree about the Ness issue. If we don't see Ness soon, I would say that we won't be seeing him at all, sad as that may be.

(...But if it opens up a slot for Claus, fine by me! )

Aeris-copied from the man himself "I think that in Smash, though, appearances are rarely what they seem." CSLink confirmed

In the distance, a shadowy figure on the back of the Halberg flying away turns and begins walking. His sword strikes a lighting bolt as he spins into the doorway.

Ugh, I dread the thought. But I like your mini-story, ESPECIALLY the ending. Ohh Claus...

 

[nutchucks]

OMG I saw on Smash Bros Dojo the other day that Zero Suit Ness is in Brawl!!!! They called him Lucas but it's Ness with his hat off. Apparently he has swoopy blonde hair. This is so cool, I've been waiting for Zero Suit Ness for so long. ZERO SUIT NESS FTW!!!!!

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

^^^^
We get it.
You're clever.

 

[-NEOLINK-]

*rolls eyes*

 

[Repryx]

Not THAT Clever...I mean Dyce made an Elbaborate scheme to have Aeris killed a Second tim...

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

{blushes}

Teehee! C'mon now, Repryx. It wasn't thaaaat elaborate. But thank you, you're sweet!

 

[-Wolfy-]

Aw, when was this plot? I miss all the death-plots. I've been so out of the loop during football season. I miss when I frequented this thread over the summer. Those were the days.

*nostalgia'd to death*

 

[Masque]

^^^^
We get it.
You're clever.

LOLZ. This is why I love Dyce.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Evryone just need to get all their Ness/Lucas jokes out of their systems. We get it, they appear to be similar, and come from the same series. Let's move on folks.

 

[Repryx]

Snake vs Mario Mini Fight....Loveable....Exitebike boyz....WTF???

 

[Rhyme]

Dynamism: I've got a new theory for why Gannondorf shows up for that fight. Believe it or not, he isn't there to wage an epic battle with Ness and Lucas,

Spoiler

he's there to sodomize them.

Alright, we already knew that Aeris and Dyce were feeling one another, but come now fellas, this is getting rediculous. There's this amazing new thing I discovered recently, and it's called

Spoiler

privacy. But no, seriously, butt sex. XD

Hey, did anyone know that Mr. Sakurai can't spell the word vague? True story.

 

[-Wolfy-]

I frowned at the Excite bike, but thoroughly enjoyed the Lakitu. This update is a wash for me.

 

[Masque]

Alright, we already knew that Aeris and Dyce were feeling one another, but come now fellas, this is getting rediculous. There's this amazing new thing I discovered recently, and it's called

Spoiler

privacy. But no, seriously, butt sex. XD

Hey, did anyone know that Mr. Sakurai can't spell the word vague? True story.

Why hide something so obvious behind spoiler tags?

Really? Show me where. I must correct Sakurai-san's misspelling!

(...And speaking of misspellings: "ridiculous".)

 

[roy_owns]

Ice Climbers Final Smash a hope for tomarrow

 

[OmegaXXII]

I wonder what IC's Final Smash would be like anyway

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Alright, we already knew that Aeris and Dyce were feeling one another, but come now fellas, this is getting rediculous. There's this amazing new thing I discovered recently, and it's called

Spoiler

privacy. But no, seriously, butt sex. XD

I don't really believe in hiding what I truly am: extraordinarily friendly.
And dude, Rhyme, "butt sex"? C'mon, no homo buddy.

EDIT:
And someone said a while back that the ICs should freeze their enemy in a big block of ice, and then hack away at them with their hammers. IMO, that's awesome. I'd really like to see that.