COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda

[kupo15]

which was edited spunit? The engine I assume?

And falcon's knee is missing some code

 

[spunit262]

hex; 360 is 0x168, most attacks have a launch angel of 0x169 (361 aka 20)

@Kupo: nether code was, I just added info.

 

[kupo15]

oh ok. And falcons knee is missing some code. I assume its just 0s

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, good job, sp unit262.

 

[CloneHat]

Where's the complete and utter annihilation code?

 

[leafgreen386]

Complete and utter control over a move's properties, that's what.

 

[spunit262]

Where's the complete and utter annihilation code?

R.O.D. (Rest of Doom, 1 Frame, 255 Damage, 255 KB Growth, 255 Base KB)

Frame Speed Mod Data [spunit262]
065A9400 00000008
25010115 4F000000

Hitbox Property Mod Data [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
065A9800 00000018
250F4B64 0E058115
FFFFFF00 00580000
FFFFFFFF 00000000

 

[Shell]

That's a joke, right?

Sorry but I'm unaware of most of what the BR talks about, if they've deemed that necessary.

 

[shanus]

Spunit, can you explain how to find the original values with the gecko?

 

[CloneHat]

^^
YES! I love you Spunit! I'm putting this in right away! Bowser just needed another buff!

 

[spunit262]

Spunit, can you explain how to find the original values with the gecko?

PM sent to Almas.

I was wondering if you could tell me your method of finding hitbox data. I guess I could just put a break on the location in which your code is active and check the registers which contain them? Or do you have a more optimal solution?

Set a Breakpoint on the very last instruction (mr r3,r28, or any after or including addi r8,r2,1228), the values need will all be neatly pack in to r6 and r7 in the right format (the first half of the code is spent doing that)

 

[Rikana]

You're awesome spunit. We're able to go so much farther now with that code.

Oh and, would an aerial ledge cancel code be hard to do? Aerials and upB's? It'd be nice to try it out in Brawl+ in my opinion.

 

[Shell]

It seems like that would interfere with ledgehopped arials.

Edit: Also, can someone in the BR confirm that they're making Jiggz rest a frame 1 instant kill regardless of percent? Or was that just a request?

o_O

 

[shanus]

I think it was just a random request.

 

[CloneHat]

It seems like that would interfere with ledgehopped arials.

Edit: Also, can someone in the BR confirm that they're making Jiggz rest a frame 1 instant kill regardless of percent? Or was that just a request?

o_O

I guess that's kinda cheap, I was expecting it to kill at like 20-30% or something.

 

[kupo15]

You're awesome spunit. We're able to go so much farther now with that code.

Oh and, would an aerial ledge cancel code be hard to do? Aerials and upB's? It'd be nice to try it out in Brawl+ in my opinion.

Actually, I think a better meteor canceling code should be first. Here are the details on making the code. I have no idea how the game handles meteor cancels as in the coding process that would help in making this code.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6951192&postcount=9210

EDIT; Actually, I think making teching a button press should be first to get that code perfected. Spunit made a beta form which froze on me

 

[Shell]

Ah. Thanks. I would have been surprised to see the BR go from "no buff" a couple weeks ago to instant OHKO.

The sound mod really is the icing on the cake. I can't wait to change the sound of Ganon's jab to something quicker and more insulting (Forgive me -- I know, this move is all I ever seem to talk about , it was my favorite of any in Melee). Good to see Ness's bat sound already.

 

[Revven]

I think spunit just did it as an example.

 

[Shell]

kupo, what is this teching button press you refer to?

 

[kupo15]

kupo, what is this teching button press you refer to?

Right now, you have to hold the shield button for the full x frames of the teching code for it to work. It should be a one time button press that buffers those x frames. I also think there is no punishment window so you can spam tech if you think you missed the first time but Im not sure

 

[Revven]

Right now, you have to hold the shield button for the full x frames of the teching code for it to work. It should be a one time button press that buffers those x frames. I also think there is no punishment window so you can spam tech if you think you missed the first time but Im not sure

ALSO, he needs to make it so Ganon's murder choke cannot be teched.

 

[Shell]

(And please fix Sonic's SDJ momentum if you get a chance, thanks!)

 

[kupo15]

ALSO, he needs to make it so Ganon's murder choke cannot be teched.

Yea, the changes to the teching code are:

Button press
Punishment window
Ganon's side b is untechable (both on ground and in air)


Changes to the momentum code are:

Do not affect sonic's specials

 

[spunit262]

Yea, the changes to the teching code are:

Button press
Punishment window
Ganon's side b is untechable (both on ground and in air)


Changes to the momentum code are:

Do not affect sonic's specials

Didn't I fix the first 2???

 

[shanus]

Also, footstools need to be untechable for a certain time window.


I haven't used V5 of the tech code due to line constraints and I had a crash on the 10 min i did use it.

 

[storm92]

kupo, are we sure we want to make the MC system like Melee's?
Just in my own opinion, the MC system made meteors basically...well, stupid, to use in Melee. You would wait a few frames then cancel it as if nothing happened, which made the meteors really not all that useful when you could use a Bair/Fair to knock them farther away offstage.
I don't know, I just feel it truly separates spikes and meteors way too much, where spikes are excellent killers while meteors don't do all too much unless your opponent doesn't know how to MC.

 

[CloneHat]

Don't add MCing if it ruins spikes/meteors. They're cool!

 

[kupo15]

Didn't I fix the first 2???

I thought it crashed when I tried it? I'll go dig it up and retest it I guess

kupo, are we sure we want to make the MC system like Melee's?
Just in my own opinion, the MC system made meteors basically...well, stupid, to use in Melee. You would wait a few frames then cancel it as if nothing happened, which made the meteors really not all that useful when you could use a Bair/Fair to knock them farther away offstage.
I don't know, I just feel it truly separates spikes and meteors way too much, where spikes are excellent killers while meteors don't do all too much unless your opponent doesn't know how to MC.

how would you suggest to go about it then? Meteors are even worse in brawl

 

[CloneHat]

What's the difference between a meteor and a spike, anyway?

 

[Shell]

In melee, meteors could be canceled (think thunderstomp) but spikes couldn't (think Marth dair)

There's no difference in brawl. Everything is cancelable

 

[storm92]

What's the difference between a meteor and a spike, anyway?

You can meteor cancel a meteor, spike you cannot.

I'm not sure kupo.
I just think that Melee's system would be worse than the current one. You can cancel it almost immediately.

 

[CloneHat]

You can meteor cancel a meteor, spike you cannot.

So it's just nintendo's opinion?

 

[kupo15]

You can meteor cancel a meteor, spike you cannot.

I'm not sure kupo.
I just think that Melee's system would be worse than the current one. You can cancel it almost immediately.

Brawl's is worse because you can mash up b without punishment and the MC window stays open forever instead of closes. Melee MCing takes skill, brawl's does not

 

[CyberGlitch]

There are no true spikes in Brawl, to my knowledge.
EDIT: : Seems SHeLL already pointed this out.

...concerning the new codes...somebody must be making deals with the devil, sheesh.

 

[storm92]

So it's just nintendo's opinion?

Either that or some speculated spikes were unintentional in Melee.
They were Falco's Dair, Ganon's downB midair, and Marth's Dair sweetspot (at least, the truly used ones).
I don't like the Melee MC system, at all.

 

[trojanpooh]

We need more lines pronto, somebody in the plusery proposed that we modify Ikes down taunt to "I fight for my friends". Also, this is an important code, but yeah....

 

[storm92]

I would say we find a medium between Brawl's and Melee's system.
While you're correct that it takes skill in Melee rather than mashing buttons, I also feel that Melee's system makes meteors basically stupid to use. That's why (besides the move last longer, I think) we would see something like Ganon edgeguard with a Fair/Bair/tipman rather than Dair in Melee. When you can cancel a meteor so quick, it makes it less attractive for the attacker to use.
On the other hand, Brawl's system is dumb too. You can mash it to MC. I don't like that, but at least in Brawl the system has it so meteors actually do something when they connect off-stage.

That's why I say we mix the two. We take Melee's system, but make MCs able to be performed at a later frame date, so meteors still punish and are still an attractive option to the attacker.

 

[kupo15]

The only problem with making the window pop up later is consistency. If the window is not the same every time, it makes canceling meteors basically impossible. The only thing I can think about is have a cutoff so that its a true spike at a certain percent or when it reaches a certain launch speed

 

[Magus420]

Meteors are even worse in brawl

Definitely not. Looking at your video, Brawl's MC system almost seems like a nerfed version of it just with longer delay before you can MC. Anyone figure out how it works exactly using the frame advance code? If it's still a universal delay on knockback before you can cancel you could just increase it. Maybe like Melee's being 7, and if Brawl's is like 15, then make it 20 something if you want to nerf it further, or inbetween if you want to buff it a little.

Edit: Oh, so the the thing you want to nerf is how you can mash up-b to do it in Brawl? That makes more sense since I don't see much of a problem with the effectiveness of the cancel itself in Brawl. You still need to go a good amount of the distance before it becomes cancelable.

 

[CloneHat]

You shouldn't be able to do that. Period.