Tiersie
Smash Ace
Yes, and he lost that set.
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Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010
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Metro Knight
Smash Ace
I love when that happens in my tournaments.
Crow!
Smash Lord
Wait, since when do we report characters based on who we win with rather than who we play as? That's just messing up the data.
BigLøu
Smash Lord
I think (though I'm not 100 percent on it), they only want characters that help advance a player in brackets.
If I were to use ganon in brackets, but lose all my matches with him but then use mk to get through a set in order to advance, then ganon should not have any impact nor should he get an artificial bump.
If I were to use ganon in brackets, but lose all my matches with him but then use mk to get through a set in order to advance, then ganon should not have any impact nor should he get an artificial bump.
Browny
Smash Hater
^ exactly lol
BBR fails again
BBR fails again
Crow!
Smash Lord
To place fifth in a 16 person (typical) bracket, you need only have a 2-2 record. This can be done with 4 game wins and 6 game losses. If all of a player's losses were with character A and all his wins were with character B, that doesn't change the fact that character A is clearly a main of the player. Character B is probably also a main, but that is less clear - we know the tournament director would record character A for the player, and he'd probably also record B. If a player makes it to 5th place playing in the tourney playing as an A main, that is what this list should record, too.
For every player in every tournament, you can bicker endlessly about whether this or that character "deserves" points, but those arguments are all subjective and interfere with statistics; not all such judgements are going to be made in the same way, and more importantly, not every player in every tournament is going to be analyzed this way - all it takes is one correleation between whether or not people actually do this subjective "well, it should be this" alteration of the data and one variable which is correleated to character performance (say, the region) and tadaa, bias has been introduced.
(Bias, btw, is the bane of every statistician's existence, and finding a source of it that hasn't been dealt with usually spells instant doom to the data's usefulness).
Now, in the MK example that started this discussion, MK probably was a secondary rather than a main, since apparently he only played MK for one match. That is a call for the TO to make. My point is that how often Junebug won while playing this or that character shouldn't be entering the discussion. If he only played his DK for one match, that's also a secondary and shouldn't be recorded either.
For every player in every tournament, you can bicker endlessly about whether this or that character "deserves" points, but those arguments are all subjective and interfere with statistics; not all such judgements are going to be made in the same way, and more importantly, not every player in every tournament is going to be analyzed this way - all it takes is one correleation between whether or not people actually do this subjective "well, it should be this" alteration of the data and one variable which is correleated to character performance (say, the region) and tadaa, bias has been introduced.
(Bias, btw, is the bane of every statistician's existence, and finding a source of it that hasn't been dealt with usually spells instant doom to the data's usefulness).
Now, in the MK example that started this discussion, MK probably was a secondary rather than a main, since apparently he only played MK for one match. That is a call for the TO to make. My point is that how often Junebug won while playing this or that character shouldn't be entering the discussion. If he only played his DK for one match, that's also a secondary and shouldn't be recorded either.
Subjectivity is subjectivity; MK will likely be recorded for June, but the fact of the matter is, if you repeatedly pick, say, Jigglypuff, even though you don't even use her, lose every single game with her, and switch to your main to win 2-1, you're deliberately using a character to give faulty data to my list. While it hasn't really been a problem in the past 6 months, I do hope that people use their own judgment on whether they were attempting to win with a character or just picking one with full expectations of losing.
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
Well, I meant I love when someone plays MK and expects to win, then loses. I only post characters if someone wins with them.
Ive been a pretty strong advocator of tournament data only showing who someone won with rather than who they used.
I feel the opposite does artificially bloat results for characters who are getting points at a larger ratio than what is deserved (in most cases, ZERO as they may not have won with the character at all).
So if a character wasnt even able to be apart of winning a SET, why should that character be given points for the deeds of the players use of another character?
This ranking list is NOT a character usage list. It has similar principles to how usage data occurs in things like Pokemon, but because it does not have reliable ways of acquiring data on COMPLETE usage like Shoddy battle can it, hence why its a TOURNAMENT rankings list, not a USAGE LIST.
I feel the opposite does artificially bloat results for characters who are getting points at a larger ratio than what is deserved (in most cases, ZERO as they may not have won with the character at all).
So if a character wasnt even able to be apart of winning a SET, why should that character be given points for the deeds of the players use of another character?
This ranking list is NOT a character usage list. It has similar principles to how usage data occurs in things like Pokemon, but because it does not have reliable ways of acquiring data on COMPLETE usage like Shoddy battle can it, hence why its a TOURNAMENT rankings list, not a USAGE LIST.
milesg2g
Smash Champion
Ness went up and i believe he still has more potential.
I don't quite agree w/ Marths Tier placing
I don't quite agree w/ Marths Tier placing
milesg2g
Smash Champion
lol ik men
thexsunrosered
Smash Lord
Queen B. Kyon
Smash Master
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9871933#post9871933
Game Knights
Entrance: Singles 10$$
1 CO18
2 Ramen
3 Kyon
4 MK18
5 Gallax
5 Radix
7 Curaga
7 Jamie
Game Knights
Entrance: Singles 10$$
1 CO18
2 Ramen
3 Kyon
4 MK18
5 Gallax
5 Radix
7 Curaga
7 Jamie
Atomsk_92
Smash Hero
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KTAR 2
3/20/10
65 Entrants
10$ Entry fee
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9872869#post9872869
1: Ally($312.00)
2: ADHD($156.00)
3: Atomsk($78.00)
4: Shadow($52.00)
5: Zucco($26.00)
5: Squall ($26.00)
7: Keitaro
7: Seph
3/20/10
65 Entrants
10$ Entry fee
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9872869#post9872869
1: Ally
($312.00)2: ADHD
($156.00)3: Atomsk
($78.00)4: Shadow
($52.00)5: Zucco
($26.00)5: Squall
($26.00)7: Keitaro
7: Seph
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Good poop ADHD, CO18, and Atomsk for ****ting on people with the penguin.
Atomsk_92
Smash Hero
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ADHD
Smash Hero
LOL yes, my DDD is legit !
CO18
Smash Hero
ur ddd garb
Masterchef1123
Smash Apprentice
I placed in the top 6 in a tournament as diddykong
1st: Mr. Game and watch
2nd: Yoshi
3rd: Yoshi
4th: Mr. Game and Watch
5th: Diddy Kong
6th Diddy Kong/Pit/Sonic
1st: Mr. Game and watch
2nd: Yoshi
3rd: Yoshi
4th: Mr. Game and Watch
5th: Diddy Kong
6th Diddy Kong/Pit/Sonic
Good for you.
February 4 Australia
Noa.
Smash Master
Make sure you read the OP. A tourney must have at least 13 entrants and an entry fee.
You must supply the proof with a link to the thread as proof of the tourney taking place.
D
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Guest
2GG Presents: Larry's Birthday Blowout (3/20/10)
http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=7931
Entrants: 70 Entry Fee: 10$
1. Larry
2. DSF
3. Tyrant
4. RichBrown
5. Fiction
5. SK92
7. Havok
7. WarpStatus
http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=7931
Entrants: 70 Entry Fee: 10$
1. Larry
2. DSF
3. Tyrant
4. RichBrown
5. Fiction
5. SK92
7. Havok
7. WarpStatus
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Fiction is back? Oh **** o_O
And WarpStatus getting 7th with ZSS?
Snakeee and Nriddle, where you at?
And WarpStatus getting 7th with ZSS?
Snakeee and Nriddle, where you at?
hotgarbage
Smash Lord
Thought I'd point this out:2GG Presents: Larry's Birthday Blowout (3/20/10)
http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=7931
Entrants: 70 Entry Fee: 10$
1. Larry
2. DSF
3. Tyrant
4. RichBrown
5. Fiction
5. SK92
7. Havok
7. WarpStatus
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=61740Champ said:
Not sure how Ankoku handles stuff like this so :V
Someone has to take first, second, and third. If Larry's the one who was in winners' brackets, then he gets first. The next two are both equivalent to my list so whichever order is fine.
D
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Guest
can DSF and tyrant both be second or does it only work if theres like a definate 1st second and third?
gallax
Smash Hero
i beat radix with ddd and some other dude with pikachu. co used falco and then ddd when he needed to.http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9871933#post9871933
Game Knights
Entrance: Singles 10$$
1 CO18
2 Ramen
3 Kyon
4 MK18
5 Gallax
5 Radix
7 Curaga
7 Jamie
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Ankoku, I think you should really give details on what to do if someone uses one character in ONE set.
Counting it just seems really dumb seeing as though I could beat the worst person with Ganon and have that one win be added to the character listings.
Counting it just seems really dumb seeing as though I could beat the worst person with Ganon and have that one win be added to the character listings.
If you want to abuse the ability to skew data given to me for your own reasons then there's literally nothing I can do about it.
gallax
Smash Hero
serin dont get me wrong at all. co beat a lot of people with his falco and radix is a really good player and i had to use ddd against him. just because i used ddd in one match it should still count. i used snake and won in only two matches but i also lost with snake in two matches. my ddd and pikachu were undefeated so why should they not count while my snake lost?
bigman40
Smash Master
A win is a win. No matter what character you use. Wins are the only matches that matter and if you have to win a match with a different character, then it has to be counted. Everyone should know that.
Just gonna toss this up:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=269398
Nikefest
Entrance: 21; Entry Fee: $10.00
1. Espy
2. Nike
3. Castro
4. PyleDriver
5. JUJ
5. Loko
7. Big Papi (Ethan)
7. Toxik
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=269398
Nikefest
Entrance: 21; Entry Fee: $10.00
1. Espy
2. Nike
3. Castro
4. PyleDriver
5. JUJ
5. Loko
7. Big Papi (Ethan)
7. Toxik
gantrain05
Smash Master
Joker's Biweeklies http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=176740&page=1287
25 entrants, $5 entrance fee.
Singles:
1: Joker ($75.00) (Snake)
2: Trent ($37.50) (Sonic)
3: Jlo ($12.50) (Peach) (Forfeit)
4: Blank (Kirby)
5: Pariah (D3)
5: Mushrooming (Sonic)
7: Schism (G&W/IC's)
7: Tyser (D3)
25 entrants, $5 entrance fee.
Singles:
1: Joker ($75.00) (Snake)
2: Trent ($37.50) (Sonic)
3: Jlo ($12.50) (Peach) (Forfeit)
4: Blank (Kirby)
5: Pariah (D3)
5: Mushrooming (Sonic)
7: Schism (G&W/IC's)
7: Tyser (D3)
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
get at these sonics right now...
RichBrown
Smash Master
In regards to the so cal tournament, I think they agreed on those placings because Larry beat DSF in winners finals, and DSF beat Tyrant in winners semis, so those placements were the fairest distribution.
LanceStern
Smash Lord
If I went MK a whole tourney but won with ganon in a set against a brand-new player, that should count as ganon placing top 8 as well?
Either way I like this topic
Either way I like this topic
LanceStern: As far as I can tell, the only characters that count are the ones you used in brackets (pools don't count) that beat the top 8 players. In the case of placing 7th I'm not so sure, I guess all characters that allowed you to win would be fair game.
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