Jun.
Smash Lord
well yeah but its like one of those can't use it all the time things.
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knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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counter is overrated unless the counter will send them offstage. Modern falcos are no longer stupid aggressive and use many empty shorthops, reverse wavelands, lasers just outside of counter range and platform Wavelanding. It's this platform wavelanding that finally led to falcos beating marth in tourney, but it also destroys counter somewhat when your opponent's hop at you may not be for a lser but to waveland the platform backwards to try to bait you into moving
AlcyoNite
Smash Champion
i do think its the mark of a player well-versed in the falco matchup to know what shield pressure tactics are and arent reliable, so I like the idea of counter against things that you know shouldnt work.
against good falcos, i think what ur saying holds, but i would never toss the idea of countering
why?
we need our falcos to be as honest as possible and if it means countering THEN BY ALL MEANS COUNTER THE SPAM BECUZ GOLLY GEE I HATE FALCO
also, son, are u in blacksburg this week??????
AceDudeyeah
Smash Ace
As long as we're on the falco matchup(this can apply to fox too),
I always run off the stage and fast fall fair if I suspect that they are going to sweetspot double jump when I throw them off at an early percent.
My question is: Does the fair have to be fast-falled? If you simply run off the stage and fair will it send them horizontally away? Or will it tipper and send them up? Or will it just plain ol' miss?
I always run off the stage and fast fall fair if I suspect that they are going to sweetspot double jump when I throw them off at an early percent.
My question is: Does the fair have to be fast-falled? If you simply run off the stage and fair will it send them horizontally away? Or will it tipper and send them up? Or will it just plain ol' miss?
edgeluca
Smash Lord
I love Falco. Except when I'm losing...
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
thecrimsonblur sucks
i got tapped so hard when i wore the BLUR tag
never again
still <3 you, though LOL
i got tapped so hard when i wore the BLUR tag
never again
still <3 you, though LOL
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
See what you didn't know is that I use the "CRIM" tag (actually some crazy japanese characters that look like crim). And you weren't red marth! How you gonna be The Crimson Blur and not be red!
<3s right back though. Its the thought that counts
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
no
its all your fault
i shouldn't be losing to axe
its all your fault
i shouldn't be losing to axe
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
Damn Tai getting serious
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
I'd also note that today was Pokemon day (Black/White just came out) and therefore Pikachu couldn't lose. It just wasn't fair.
They gotta schedule a national on the next Fire Emblem's release date. We'd be unbeatable!
They gotta schedule a national on the next Fire Emblem's release date. We'd be unbeatable!
Dart!
Smash Master
fun fact: all pokemon games include pikachu, not all fire emblems have marth in them.
edgeluca
Smash Lord
Fun fact: Marth's FE isn't even one of the better ones.
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If spaceballs won SMYM he was gonna buy his whole car the new pokemon games
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Is it weird for me to say I've played all but 2 (the Ike ones) of the Fire Emblem games so I could get more in tune with Marth?
Now thats passion.
(the games are really good tho, I recommend them to anybody. FE7, 6, and 4 particularly. I've got a bunch of records/achievements in FE7 lol shoutouts to gamefaqs)
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Yes, that sorta is weird for you to say.
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Its more accurate to say I thought Marth was such a cool character I wanted to check out his series, and then I liked it so much that I decided to play (most of) the rest of the series.
edgeluca
Smash Lord
FE7 is my favorite, but probably cause it's the most nostalgic for me.
I recommend you play FE9, since you haven't yet. It's really good. FE10 wasn't great though.
I recommend you play FE9, since you haven't yet. It's really good. FE10 wasn't great though.
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Yeah, FE7 is my favorite too. Its generally considered the best in the series.
I'll get around to the Ike games eventually. My backlog is really big right now.
Dart!
Smash Master
I never really got into 2 4 and 5...generally those are considered (at least 4 & 5) the toughest fe's
on a related note, shoutouts to axe for teaching me to fight pika. I beat pikachad thanks to you.
on a related note, shoutouts to axe for teaching me to fight pika. I beat pikachad thanks to you.
Lol. I have never played a FE game... And I've only played one FF game and didn't even beat it.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
You don't have to fast fall it, but I think fastfalling prevents them from jumping back phantasm/firefoxing (ie you get closer to the point of their jump so when you fair they are not out of range yet). If you slow fall and fair I think it would only cover if they went for the sweet spot.
linkoninja
Smash Journeyman
I'm still new to Marth so don't flame me xD.
But how come some characters are scared to CC against Marth? I know Peach can **** people with her Down-Smash if they CC, but what is so scary about Marth?
But how come some characters are scared to CC against Marth? I know Peach can **** people with her Down-Smash if they CC, but what is so scary about Marth?
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
Ive only played marth's FE.
thats the one of the reasons I play him :D
thats the one of the reasons I play him :D
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
is there any way to consistently punish fox and falco's forward b to cover their shorten and when they aim it at your face?
im thinking f-smash or f-tilt, but i'm not sure which would be better. i remember during my set with rubyiris, he got around my jab a lot by shortening his phantasm, and later on in the matches, i'd just be like "yo that's some old bullsh*t" and f-smash him LOL
im thinking f-smash or f-tilt, but i'm not sure which would be better. i remember during my set with rubyiris, he got around my jab a lot by shortening his phantasm, and later on in the matches, i'd just be like "yo that's some old bullsh*t" and f-smash him LOL
edgeluca
Smash Lord
I would go with ftilt, but that's probably cause I was trained by Diakonos.
I don't remember if jabbing twice works.
JBM falcon08
Smash Master
Im convinced darkrain can beat marth, not falcon can beat marth.
Darkrain is so good.
Anyways so Sheik on DL64 is hard vs marth. Any suggestions on how to play on the stage?
I realize that im not playing gay enough as marth when i play him, and i really want to win, but if i think i have a read figured out why shouldn't i go for it? Reading people like seuss is more fun than camping and waiting it out for the win.
Darkrain is so good.
Anyways so Sheik on DL64 is hard vs marth. Any suggestions on how to play on the stage?
I realize that im not playing gay enough as marth when i play him, and i really want to win, but if i think i have a read figured out why shouldn't i go for it? Reading people like seuss is more fun than camping and waiting it out for the win.
Marth vs Sheik is all about the needle triangle and keeping proper spacing vs it even if they don't really use the needle triangle. It effectively reduces the number of options Sheik has and brings the matchup closer to even than if you just played it regularly. The unfortunate thing about this is that you have to play like a monstrous homosexual and fair camp the **** out of her.
MT_
Smash Ace
Cactuar could you elaborate on the needle triangle thing or reference a post in the past that explains this?
Beat!
Smash Master
Yes, please do
When sheik jumps, the range that is covered by her needles at any point when she is in the air. It makes a triangle. Do I need to like... draw this out or something?
Anyway, after establishing the triangle, basically what you do is pressure into it to a point where, after she lands, she would almost be able to reach you with a dash attack. This creates a rock paper scissors game where, if she jumps again, you can jump forward and hit her, or if she goes for a dash attack/grab, you can hit her. This is the safest pressure area I have found vs Sheik.
Additionally, if she goes too high and the area of the triangle is increased to a large amount, you can run through the limit of the triangle and position yourself underneath Sheik.
Anyway, after establishing the triangle, basically what you do is pressure into it to a point where, after she lands, she would almost be able to reach you with a dash attack. This creates a rock paper scissors game where, if she jumps again, you can jump forward and hit her, or if she goes for a dash attack/grab, you can hit her. This is the safest pressure area I have found vs Sheik.
Additionally, if she goes too high and the area of the triangle is increased to a large amount, you can run through the limit of the triangle and position yourself underneath Sheik.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Does anybody know the degree of the aerial needle's trajectory? Is it like 45 degrees down or something?
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
Pretty sure it does, I also think Jab to Dtilt will work if you don't panic the dtilt and dsmash instead.
Pretty much. It follows the trajectory of her arm when she throws them. I've always liked overb'ing needles when recovering. Looks pretty cool if you overb a lot of them.
Marth's sideb hits needles? That's weird, it doesn't stop most other projectiles iirc...
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^ yeah cactuar i just found that out the other day, though with neutral b
I usually just fair needles lol.
edgeluca
Smash Lord
Does he still play?
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
This is what Cactus is talking about
dem DJ fairs on the edge of that triangle. Cactus plays this matchup so much differently than everyone else. I really like his innovative style. <3
I'd say shieldbreaker in that scenario. I find it much easier to aim than either fsmash or ftilt but maybe thats just me.
dem DJ fairs on the edge of that triangle. Cactus plays this matchup so much differently than everyone else. I really like his innovative style. <3
It usually doesn't if they fastfall after the side b in my experience.
I'd say shieldbreaker in that scenario. I find it much easier to aim than either fsmash or ftilt but maybe thats just me.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
I don't know how good Darkrain is vs Marth, no disrespect meant (he's my favorite Falcon, if not, tied with Hax). He lost to TAJ at FCD, and TAJ hates the MU (although the MU was probably really different back then). He lost to Strawhat, and when I was playing him at Pound, though he probably wasn't trying too hard, I didn't feel the extreme homo that I feel when I play against Hax or GG7