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[Juno McGrath]

hey remember that time when cactuar came into our room at p5 with mango?

i remember that time

i was with them too theo

 

[AlcyoNite]

i was with them too theo

okay dylan i guess u remember that time too >:3

 

[Roneblaster]

Darkrain isnt bad vs marth, he has an over-arching problem that contains marth in it. Hes bad vs gay playstyles. Darkrain is super ****ing aggro and thats why people that beat him, usually keep beating him. (See the last few darkrain vs kels outcomes, and most of darkrain vs top IC players, recently)

On topic: considering playing marth alot more seriously if not main him, all depends on how falcon treats me from now on. He and i havent been vibeing at all since pound and were vibeing only moderately @ pound.

 

[Tee ay eye]

darkrain is bad against sick meteor cancels

 

[Plairnkk]

darkrain is bad against sick meteor cancels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeHhrsrn6Q8&playnext=1&list=PL5FF0DD0044368F8A

 

[strawhats]

Yea I agree, though I've only played Hax out of top Falcons, I think there's pretty decent evidence out there that Darkrain is relatively bad against Marth.

has Darkrain ever played against m2k's marth before?

 

[Jun.]

Darkrain definitely has played m2k's sheik before lol

 

[KirbyKaze]

has Darkrain ever played against m2k's marth before?

no, never darkrain beat him in a bo3 set after this, though, also at fc-d

 

[Jun.]

lolmew2king

so that's where strawhat got that (wavedash off fair upb).

 

[AlcyoNite]

strawhat isnt the only person to do that...

 

[Jun.]

well clearly mew2king did it in that video.

everyone on smashboards so on edge these days.

 

[AlcyoNite]

well clearly mew2king did it in that video.

everyone on smashboards so on edge these days.

wtf

KIMCHI IS DELICIOUS

 

[AceDudeyeah]

SUSHI

what video?

 

[Mew2King]

yeah darkrain is not good vs marth. Me and Hax do the MU's way better. I still think I'm the best at it though but me and hax are the best 2 at it for sure

 

[Jun.]

wait mew2king are you saying that YOUR falcon is good at the Marth matchup? Or your Marth is equivalent to Hax's Falcon?

 

[Tee ay eye]

he's saying his falcon is the best falcon against marth

 

[Roneblaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY3_daIPp1s&feature=feedu

first clip, *****es.

(@tai and others)

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah darkrain is not good vs marth. Me and Hax do the MU's way better. I still think I'm the best at it though but me and hax are the best 2 at it for sure

yeah, he doesn't play it patiently enough. against 95% of marth's it doesn't matter, though, because most marth mains aren't as good as he is lol

 

[Tee ay eye]

darkrain's falcon got off on matt r's falco

i don't get it.

 

[Roneblaster]

darkrain sucks against sick meteor cancels?

get ***** sick meteor cancels, by darkrain.

 

[Tee ay eye]

LOL i was joking
read the comments from Tai vs Darkrain 3

originalph00tbag: Darkrain was pretty salty about those meteor cancels. I think he eventually realized he'd better give up on dair.

Ghosttenks: Great match. The general play was good, but the meteor cancels were exceptional.

Strongbad338guy: that meteor cancel on the 3rd stock was beastly haha

shurithino: THOSE METEOR CANCELS

ChivalRuse: Wow Tai nice meteor cancels

 

[Roneblaster]

i know it was a joke.

i was genuinely offended that people would talk **** about my hero darkrain.

which one of those is sincere?

 

[Tee ay eye]

The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure at least one of them was sincere, since I didn't miss any meteor cancels.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I'm usually sincere when giving praise.

 

[Jun.]

Meteor cancels are easy...

esp on falcon's dair

 

[Tee ay eye]

that's why the comments are funny lol
i don't get why everybody noted that
i didn't even notice anything remotely special about my meteor cancels that game

on another note
god bless pikachu's shield:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz8l1vY37pw

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

where is this tai v darkrain match?

i wana seeeeeeeee

 

[Tee ay eye]

no you dont

he was playing bad/sandbagging
and i was just throwing moves out and landing them

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

... i still wanna see o_o

 

[AceDudeyeah]

But there's no video? So how can we even read the comments? haha

 

[Tee ay eye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDPJVxa8sc

 

[AceDudeyeah]

LAWL
I was searching for TAI
not TeeAyEye


General question about Meteor cancelling
When are you able to cancel? As soon as the window for SDI closes?

And can you hold up before being hit and just hit B to up-b cancel? Or do you have to go from neutral to up-b?

 

[AceDudeyeah]

oops, double post

 

[Tee ay eye]

axe and i tested it very mildly

we think that there's a window where if you input a meteor cancel, nothing happens and you are thereby unable to meteor cancel anymore

 

[Strong Badam]

General question about Meteor cancelling
When are you able to cancel? As soon as the window for SDI closes?

You're able to meteor-cancel on frame 8 after hitlag, i.e. after 8 frames + however many frames of hitlag you are in ("window for SDI").

And can you hold up before being hit and just hit B to up-b cancel? Or do you have to go from neutral to up-b?

Yes, that would work.

axe and i tested it very mildly

we think that there's a window where if you input a meteor cancel, nothing happens and you are thereby unable to meteor cancel anymore

Depends. If you're meteor canceling with a double jump (either up or x/y), then if you try to meteor cancel on frames 1-7, it will be unsuccessful and you won't be able to meteor cancel with a double jump for 40 frames. During these 40 frames (provided you're past the first 1-7 frames), however, you can input an Up-B and it will be successful.
Up-B itself does weird things with meteor canceling. If you're recovering with Up-B and get meteor'd out of it, a 40 frame counter starts from the beginning of your Up-B and you can't meteor cancel in any way until that's over, and that counter doesn't run during hitlag. The 40 frame counter will also start if you try to input an Up-B during frames 1-7 of knockback. Thankfully, trying to jump or Up-B during frames of hitlag don't trigger a no-Meteor Cancel window.
Marth doesn't have multiple mid-air jumps so I won't get into that scenario.

Credit goes to Magus420 for originally finding this information out. Hope that helps!

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Wow, I had no idea you could not cancel during the first 7 frames and that a 40-frame counter existed.
That was incredibly helpful

If you're recovering with Up-B and get meteor'd out of it, a 40 frame counter starts from the beginning of your Up-B

So say a fox has started his up-b and gets daired 21 frames later, he cannot meteor cancel for 19 more frames? or another 40?

 

[Strong Badam]

19 frames, ignoring frames of hitlag.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Dammn, looks like Marth is screwed because his quick up-b does not give him as good a buffer against meteor smashes.

 

[Strong Badam]

It's comparatively harder to hit him out of, though.

 

[Dre the Ace]

Few questions:

Playing against Fox, when you get shined off the edge....what are your best options? I try to side-b, or jump to fair, but I always seem to get punished and killed by another shine.

Playing against Sheik, recovering from off stage, I usually go low so I can sweet spot the edge, but then she usually jumps out an nairs me. What do I do...