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I think the key thing with m2k is that you really got to beat him at his own game. He "dumbs" down the game in a sense where you only have some two options, and have to beat him at those two options, and it's really tough because he's relentlessly careful at those two options. I think that's why he doesn't do as well against Falco because Falco naturally plays that style, especially the careful ones.
I almost feel like Falco would benefit from NTSC cause of his late spike. Basically both of them get a dair, and I feel like Falco's would be way more useful than Marth's right?
Heh it sucks because the way he covers options against Ganon.. Ganon only has very limited options and my Falco is terribad too. Ganon is slow too it doesn't help, I can see what he's doing but either I get out-prioritized or I can't put enough pressure. If I fail once i can die really easily too.. it's just so many things against me.
he did but he called controller johns before the match started so it cancels out his loss
gotta pay the trolls toll huh?
not sure if youre trolling or not...............
you going to hog, right? Lets gets some games in
yeah. roy vs marth?you going to hog, right? Lets gets some games in
pshhh...I aint afraid of sheik. **** dat *****.Actually I think I'm gonna go sheik
i wouldnt be talking sveet nobody likes to hear you ramble on about frame data and how much you love cage the warrior. i bet i have more followers on twitter than you do too.crush i see you got unbanned
i think you should have stayed that way tho...
The first part is soooooooo so true. Also, Ice really doesn't look like anything special vs falco judging from his matches with leffen. His punishment game was overall very inconsistent, he made a lot of crucial edgeguarding misjudgments, and the style in and of itself is more of an anti-fox than an anti-falco. Leffen wasn't really shooting lasers at all, so Ice had a lot more freedom than he would against any other falco. A lot of taj being good vs falco has to do with the times he chooses to challenge falco's aerial approaches versus the times he chooses to retreat; marth is forced to be proactive to actually consistently stay on par with falco in the neutral game. Ice did a lot more waiting around than you can really afford to do, to be honest.
I think I'm still pretty good at the IC matchup. I don't know if I would've beaten him or not, but I would've gone into the matches with a lot of confidence. The matchup is so straight forward, I can probably put it into M2K terms. (Wobbles has beaten my Marth before, but I did win pretty consistently against him.)
what would you have done if you had to play hbox?I think I'm still pretty good at the IC matchup. I don't know if I would've beaten him or not, but I would've gone into the matches with a lot of confidence. The matchup is so straight forward, I can probably put it into M2K terms. (Wobbles has beaten my Marth before, but I did win pretty consistently against him.)
Marth vs. ICs is one of my best matchups even if I haven't played it in a while, I think I still have it figured out.
Looking at the matchup objectively, I'd rate it as one of ICs worst high tiered matchups next to Fox and Peach. Nowadays, it's probably a bit closer with ledge chain throws into wobbling and nastier edgeguards, but I'd still put it at a 60-40 Marth at least.
It's one of the few matchups where everyone's perceptions of Marth are actually applicable. You can even use Mow strats against them with great effectiveness. It's just harder for them to slip the cracks than other characters. Not to say it's not impossible, Wobbles and Fly are easily the scariest ICs for any Marth to fight, but it's REALLY hard to slip in on Marth, and it's soooo easy to mix up your swings. You can literally just swing your damn sword around, it's the ONLY match-up that I can think of where that's legitimately effective in the current metagame.
Wobbles is hopefully moving in with me next week, so all of this is subject to change.
I have no idea. I didn't expect to get far in the tournament in the first place.
I think they'd go Sheik ditto, it would still be a tough match for Ice, but at least he's very good in ditto, while M2K is **** in Marth dittos. (Jason is extremely good against Sheik too, but Ice is very good too, I would like to see some matches)
Trust me, if you ever play Ice, you'll understand how shooting lasers is just stupid against him. I think Leffen tried the best strategy in that moment.
It's actually much easier to get low % kills with Sheik assuming your partner is strong enough to help Sheik put characters off-stage.. like with me for example, I just hit the opponent once and then M2k gimps him.. too easy. lol I disagree that its hard to get low % KOs, especially if they are spacies. You underrate him a little bit here. And to be fair, together we are a top team of the world, so ya he doesn't **** up and I have an easy time to put opponents back off-stage just incase he misses.
And how is that ?
I mean I understand with hbox, because m2k doesn't know the marth/puff MU and hbox devours sheiks as well (unless you're overtriforce and possibly amsah as he said he's confident he can win against hbox next time they play). However m2k's marth has done well vs armada b4. Jason told me he was getting 3 stocked by armada a few games, then he adapted and 3 stocked right back a few times at G2 in friendlies. (marth/peach)
So your telling me the best players don't always play their best in friendlies? Q.Q
ICs are missing critical frames, grab range, and priority that makes slipping through Marth's sword that little bit harder. Their displacement from wavedashing is good and quick, but they are slightly less likely to hit Marth's hands when he's winding up than characters like Luigi/Samus/Doc/Mario/Ganon on approach.
Duh, there's a lot of experimenting and ****ing around happening.
Sure. I have basic ideas, but they're probably dated against people like Hbox.
You don't know what you're talking about.
