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Can Marth become top tier again?

TheCrimsonBlur

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Divinokage said:
Uhh... well not so much as him but after genesis i've had my share of BS. That's why I don't like people being ********, it's a general statement. I mean I don't mind friendly trolling online or in person but when you start attacking me as a person that's when I really hate you.
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Generalizations like that are bad man. Just cause one guy is a **** doesnt mean you should be sad and pissed off at the entire community. Same w/Mango and whatever his problems are. Thats the best advice I can give without knowing specifics.

Besides, I'm part of the community and you shouldn't be sad or pissed at me. I like you Kage. <3s & stuff
 
Divinokage

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TheCrimsonBlur said:
Generalizations like that are bad man. Just cause one guy is a **** doesnt mean you should be sad and pissed off at the entire community. Same w/Mango and whatever his problems are. Thats the best advice I can give without knowing specifics.

Besides, I'm part of the community and you shouldn't be sad or pissed at me. I like you Kage. <3s & stuff
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It's not just one guy, it's most of WC.
 
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Divinokage said:
It's not just one guy, it's most of WC.
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I won't lie man...WC doesn't care about honor or integrity. Not all but as a region this seems to be the case. I mean...*****s was ready to stab me for saying wobbling was gay. Same people backed people like Pink Shinobi for "playing to win". It's just something I've come to accept.
 
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Niko45 said:
I think you are underestimating Luigi's options and what Luigi is generally capable of.
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"you underestimate luigi's options"
"luigi has no options"
"they just do"

lol it really works. I'm using this for everything. hilarious

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Niko45 said:
An overlooked thing about Luigi is the fact that since he comes out of hitstun so fast, you have to space very well against him even when hitting him with aerials.
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You know hit stun is set right? That's why combos are combos. It's some function of the attack with damage and crouching (crouching or not) as modifiers. It doesn't change.
 
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Intuition said:
You know hit stun is set right? That's why combos are combos. It's some function of the attack with damage and crouching (crouching or not) as modifiers. It doesn't change.
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I guess Niko intended that due to Luigi's weight and falling speed, he usually breaks out of combos easier, not that hitstun lasts less.
 
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OverLord said:
I guess Niko intended that due to Luigi's weight and falling speed, he usually breaks out of combos easier, not that hitstun lasts less.
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obvious what he meant but attacking technicalities is expected when you have no counter I suppose......

but yea Character like Weegee and Spamus are difficult to hit consecutively. Feels like brawl sometimes....:(
 
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Basically something like non tip fair, which is great for big combos and punishes on other characters (sheik for example) is not an option at lower percents against Luigi.

:phone:
 
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just close the thread. Anyone posting in here arguing in favor of marth needs to go out to a tournament next weekend and do some work. Otherwise, stfu.
 
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I might be late, but a really easy way to get down from marth's BS is to NOT USE YOUR JUMP and just DI... eventually marth will mess up and give you an opportunity to get down or you will DI off stage and double jump sweetspot the edge.
 
Tee ay eye

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Intuition said:
I've got a good one. Marth vs Luigi as marth:

1. run around a lot. if confused, press ><><><><><><>
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i haven't read this thread in a long time

but can someone please explain this to me?

i don't really see how marth's DD is that good against characters like luigi and ICs at all. feels like they can just WD circles around marth and jab if he DDs. i'd imagine marth has to WD more and keep facing them the whole time to just block whatever they can do.

i'd like to be enlightened since i'm terrible at those MUs (axe has once counterpicked ICs against me in a crew battle for a guaranteed win)
 
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Just ****ing DOWN TILT. If you're not DOWN TILTING YOU"RE DOING IT WRONG. IF YOU'RE DOWN TILTING AND STILL LOSING, YOU"RE DOING IT WRONG.
 
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I think marth has a hell of a time against ICs actually. Your usual strategy of juggling is hard to set up for and they have a great punishment game in general. The "they just do" might even have some merit as a stranded Nana can keep you from juggling Popo in some cases. Although maybe I just need to learn the match better? In general I think any character that can nullify marth's grab game or aerial range game give him trouble, and since I don't know what I'm talking about past extreme generalizations and opinions for this one, I'd rather not give bad advice.

As for Luigi, yes he can WD at you quickly. But even with that speed, he can really only get any punishments that you give him. Luigi is like almost all low tiers in that he's weak to heavy shield use, and if you're really not sure what to do, light shielding is a decent answer. Even if he grabs you, there are respective DIs to make his damage potential off of a throw minimal. More importantly, nothing he can do can really put you into a terrible situation at lower damages, but you can do that back to him quite easily. If you focus on your macro game, you should be able to make luigi look very useless. If you focus on a micro game, you're giving luigi a chance to outplay you when you really don't have to. Stick to basic but effective strategies that are generally good vs most characters and show the opponent why your character is tournament viable and theirs isn't. stay away from character-specific engagements until you have a lot of experience at that match specifically.
 
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i really liked this thread when Tai and Taj were making great posts.
then i saw 2007-2009 style matchup discussion from druggedfox
then i saw walls of text from niko and spam arrows and only read niko's.

and now im waiting for good posts again
can more people that actually play marth post thoughts? im interested.
 
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I once went to Abate's and played Marth vs. Luigi for like 6 hours straight. That **** is really really hard if Luigi knows what to do.

As far as ICs, idk, dtilt is pretty ****.
 
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Strong Bad said:
then i saw walls of text from niko and spam arrows and only read niko's.
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Sorry dude. I really hate to be *that guy* writing walls of text about matchups, but I end up doing it much more than I'm proud of.

ILM said:
I once went to Abate's and played Marth vs. Luigi for like 6 hours straight. That **** is really really hard if Luigi knows what to do.
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Yea man, Abate is absolutely nuts. The kid beat me in tourney a month ago. It's too bad he got boned in Genesis pools or people would recognize how good he really is. He shattered a lot of my previous misconceptions about Luigi, like that he can't recover, that he can't get back down to the ground, that he can't get in on Marth, etc.
 
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I was reading earlier a post from Dart! talking about Marth matchups vs. Peach, Samus and Jiggs. Personally, I ate the vs jiggs matchup but I really like the Samus and Peach match up... dunno why I like the samus matchup.
 
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