C.Falcon vs Fox??

[RaynEX]

eggm is not clearly better than zhu (also, zhu isn't norcal anymore)

raynex is not clearly better than lunin

I know someone has probably said this already, but WC has terrible d.i.

Have you seen the combos Jeff gets on them? I stop watching after uair re-grabs and dropzones.

oh, and I'll take lunin. all daai

/drama

 

[JonaDiaper]

i hope you didnt mean that you stop watching after that stuff

 

[MaNg0]

U guys are fuking idiots god dam

 

[Dark Hart]

I know someone has probably said this already, but WC has terrible d.i.

this .

With a few exceptions, though.

 

[RaynEX]

i hope you didnt mean that you stop watching after that stuff

Yea, thats exactly what I meant. I mean...I've watched Darkrain vs. Hungrybox...I've seen him get like 4 uairs to knee? I know what bad d.i. is.

A Falco getting uair-> re-grabed and dropzoned all in one combo is too much survival d.i. for me.

U guys are fuking idiots god dam

you know I <3 you mangooz.

 

[JonaDiaper]

Yea, thats exactly what I meant. I mean...I've watched Darkrain vs. Hungrybox...I've seen him get like 4 uairs to knee? I know what bad d.i. is.

A Falco getting uair-> re-grabed and dropzoned all in one combo is too much survival d.i. for me.

i bet if you played ss and he started tech chasing the crap out you'd have bad di too lol

 

[Niko45]

eggm is not clearly better than zhu (also, zhu isn't norcal anymore)

raynex is not clearly better than lunin

I disagree by a mile on both.

And Jona its not that videos can't show differences in skill level its that most people don't know what to look for. Like I can tell by the fact that ur such a huge SS fan and that you even think SS is on the level of darkrain or cactuar that you are watching videos looking for epic fresh combos. This is really fun to do, without a doubt, but I'm not gonna lie when I'm trying to get better with Falcon SS is not the cfalcon I'm searching on youtube.

 

[Scar]

i bet if you played ss and he started tech chasing the crap out you'd have bad di too lol

lol No actually Raynex has consistently good DI even when being tech chased.

And actually speaking of IKM2 I definitely pulled one of the nicest falcon combos ever vs Kage like a day ago in falcon dittos and it wasn't recorded. His DI is sick too.

Also yeah I'd like to see SS beat like Raynex/Eggm/JMan before trying to beat Cactuar. SS vs Cactuar is going to be stupid.

Kouryuu I also think SS has an edge over me, how slight or how large idk but I'm interested in finding out @ genesis.

 

[NES n00b]

i bet if you played ss and he started tech chasing the crap out you'd have bad di too lol

Hopefully not or that means I suck. Well I do suck, but hopefully not by that much.

 

[Strong Badam]

i bet if you played ss and he started tech chasing the crap out you'd have bad di too lol

Yes, I'm sure my ability to DI would be affected at all by my opponents tactics.
...not

 

[MaNg0]

Alright fukers

Having a tourney

Click the sig son

 

[pockyD]

I disagree by a mile on both.

And Jona its not that videos can't show differences in skill level its that most people don't know what to look for. Like I can tell by the fact that ur such a huge SS fan and that you even think SS is on the level of darkrain or cactuar that you are watching videos looking for epic fresh combos. This is really fun to do, without a doubt, but I'm not gonna lie when I'm trying to get better with Falcon SS is not the cfalcon I'm searching on youtube.

who are you? have YOU ever played lunin, SS, or zhu?

i wonder how many people here aside from me have played all 6 players in question?

granted, some were a year ago, but just because you know that player A improved doesn't mean that player B didn't improve just as much

 

[Niko45]

hey hey now no need to be a jerk. Like ur an expert bc you played people a year ago. All I did was disagree with you by a very large margin no need to get sensitive. Pretty much everyone commenting on this has not played the opposite coast that's the whole reason the debate is happening in the first place. I'm as (un)qualified to throw my two cents in as anyone else.

 

[Scar]

...that's kind of a really good point.

 

[pockyD]

...then how can you disagree "by a mile"?

also, what part of my post was being a jerk?

finally, if it is indeed all speculation as you claim (which I don't necessarily disagree with), how can you make statements without including any evidence/reasoning at all? That is NOT a debate, it's merely baseless assertions

Maybe i'll speculate that scar wears pink panties or something

 

[Leacero]

Darn, I spent a good 40 minutes reading this topic and now I'm at the end. I can't wait for the next issue!

 

[Niko45]

Well I mean the evidence would be that Raynex got 4th at Kansas and is running canada right now and Eggm in 2008 was getting ridiculous placements at beast coast tournaments consistently. I understand that Zhu was like the best in norcal for a while but when ur biggest comp was a cfalcon and ur a falco thats quite convenient plus those tournaments are riddled with like doc and link players...which i'm sorry but doesn't compare to the east coast tournaments where everyone plays fox at least as a secondary and plays a ridiculous fox at that as well as marth and/or sheik. I mean, is there even a sheik player in norcal?

But I digress, whatever Zhu is socal now yaya. Honestly I like zhu really entertaining to watch but when you look at Zhu and this guy Lunin ur big on just compare raynex and eggm's speed, tech skill, DI, RECOVERY, approach I mean I could go on and on they are flat out better. And thats not even on some east coast favoritism that's just being real.

 

[pockyD]

Well I mean the evidence would be that Raynex got 4th at Kansas and is running canada right now and Eggm in 2008 was getting ridiculous placements at beast coast tournaments consistently. I understand that Zhu was like the best in norcal for a while but when ur biggest comp was a cfalcon and ur a falco thats quite convenient plus those tournaments are riddled with like doc and link players...which i'm sorry but doesn't compare to the east coast tournaments where everyone plays fox at least as a secondary and plays a ridiculous fox at that as well as marth and/or sheik. I mean, is there even a sheik player in norcal?

But I digress, whatever Zhu is socal now yaya. Honestly I like zhu really entertaining to watch but when you look at Zhu and this guy Lunin ur big on just compare raynex and eggm's speed, tech skill, DI, RECOVERY, approach I mean I could go on and on they are flat out better. And thats not even on some east coast favoritism that's just being real.

that's like saying tarvaris jackson is clearly better than drew brees simply because of his tangibles

i'm not trying to knock the EC players or anything, but the fact that player X is more impressive in some facet of their game doesn't really mean much if that doesn't produce differing results

 

[Niko45]

Umm...what?

What I am saying in relation to that is that drew brees is clearly better than jackson in all facets of the game very plainly and visibly by watching him play, and therefore drew brees is better.

What you are saying is that even though brees played in the NFC south with carolina and and atlanta, while Jackson played in the NFC north against nobody, because jackson made the playoffs he is better or can be compared to drew brees.

wtf jackson over brees?

 

[pockyD]

Umm...what?

What I am saying in relation to that is that drew brees is clearly better than jackson in all facets of the game very plainly and visibly by watching him play, and therefore drew brees is better.

What you are saying is that because brees and jackson both didn't make the playoffs, neither player is necessarily better than the other.

wtf jackson over brees?

not quite...

just compare raynex and eggm's speed, tech skill, DI, RECOVERY, approach I mean I could go on and on they are flat out better.

you are saying because jackson is bigger, faster, stronger, and blacker, he is "flat out better".

 

[Niko45]

How about those aren't the reasons QBs are good?

How about drew brees has a stronger arm, more accurate arm, and way more experience.

Also lol sorry I forgot minnesota made the playoffs what a joke that was.

 

[pockyD]

How about those aren't the reasons QBs are good?

How about drew brees has a stronger arm, more accurate arm, and way more experience.

Also lol sorry I forgot minnesota made the playoffs what a joke that was.

it's an analogy, guy

you watch football, i get it. good for you, i'm giving you a thumbs up through the computer. now hurry up and realize that i don't actually care about the football part of it, and it's just an analogy on top of what you're saying about the smashers

 

[Niko45]

The point is that if you know what to look for, you will know who is better. If you watch the game and see drew brees is slow and go "wow drew brees sucks" then you don't know what to look for. I guarantee there are 0 GMs and scouts who think Jackson is better than Brees.

Thanks for pointing out its an analogy btw. Here I just thought you wanted to talk some football out of nowhere.

 

[Falcinho]

Wow guys

We don't need tourneys anymore!

2009 our video critics got so good

they can perfectly tell how good someone is

=D



Srsly it's getting annoying

either continue with cool and funny tashtalk

or just wait for genesis

 

[Scar]

also pocky you totally brought football up out of nowhere and niko is actually following the metaphor, i'm sure he gets that it's only an analogy but that def doesn't make it cool for you to be crazy aggressive/sarcastic just b/c you're finished with it.

i would agree w/ niko (back to the beginning of all this), i think the competition in norcal is nowhere near tristate (at least they don't play brawl tho) and i have no idea how SS is going to do against EC spacies. but i know that i do quite well against them and that darkrain is way better than i am against basically everyone in the entire world but actually he didn't do much better vs cactuar/raynex than i did.

i think competition and experience have a lot to do with how much better you get in certain matchups, this has nothing to do with natural talent but i think bottom line i'm ready for EC spacies and i don't think SS is at all. or any other falcon, for that matter.

that said, i'm not going to be prepared for some of the WC quirks. besides the bad DI part, i know how to counter that.

bottom line i'm beating more impressive players than SS but that doesn't necessarily make me any better, nor does that even necessarily make my accomplishments more impressive. just b/c i know cactuar's style doesn't make me good when i take matches off him and never get jv4'd vs him in tourney, it just means i play against him a lot.

so this debate should remain at a standstill until i go over there and **** WC and SS gets ***** by EC. then we can say that i am definitely better, which probably still won't be true bc SS will probably **** me in dittos.

except apparently he loses to mango's falcon in dittos so by the end of all this we will know that mango's other chars are pretty good but nothing special compared to darkrain or scar.

unless aarosmashguy goes b/c apparently i'll lose to him 1st round.

 

[pockyD]

The point is that if you know what to look for, you will know who is better. If you watch the game and see drew brees is slow and go "wow drew brees sucks" then you don't know what to look for. I guarantee there are 0 GMs and scouts who think Jackson is better than Brees.

Thanks for pointing out its an analogy btw. Here I just thought you wanted to talk some football out of nowhere.

matt leinart or jay cutler? hell, michael vick or drew brees?

football-wise, hindsight is 20/20, and you're missing the point

even the brightest minds in football whiff on draft picks ALL THE TIME because they anticipate that a certain skill a prospect possesses will carry over well to the nfl and/or lead to prolonged success, but it's simply not that cut and dried

 

[PB&J]

this thread has been entertaining ..******** and funny all in once.

first of all..ec would **** west coast and yes they will do it at genesis with no problem..so i hope mango goes puff in the crew battle because i think he would get **** in fox dittos with jman alone..

ss is beast even though west coast does have horrific di besides a few people

stop comparing any falcon to darkrain besides m2k..its stupid..

lunin is pretty good

zhu is alright compared to many falcos..dont get me started on his falco..check the to4 interviews..lol

hugs is good but there re so many good people on the east coast now he woudnt be a factor..

lucky..is really good i think he is second best on the west coast

there are many other good west coast players , but lets be realistic when we compare them to east coast..

regional crews are goingt o be be mad fun..east coast talks way better trash then west coast

i personally think the south alone would **** west coast

colbol is not from mid west thats dumb who ever said that..yes he fits in..your dumb for saying that too

lambchops would **** any falcon or fox over there...

dashizwiz will be at genesis and is going to probablly win unless he plays chu dat they are always close

keepspeedn-will **** almost every player there with his ..umm any character

colbol will give mango a hard time till he sd.s

hungrybox- will do good vs spacies and sheik

C......-will be ****** whil playin

chaddd- will **** some spacies and there are many more

but top players are shiz speedn,colbol,lamchops hbox,



yes shiz still playes

he played chu recently

scar is good stop hating on him..no he isnt better than ss but he will be way better by genesis

oh..and me and linguini will **** some falcos @ genesis


i have love for west coast..but when u get there biggest fanboys or certain average peach players..cough cough who defend a coast and post no facts are ridiculous..yes i talk trash and i will say to anyone face...my bad i got a liitle too excited there.......

all of this equals Genesis will be insane


oh and on topic..fox played correctly and not scared of falcon ***** falcon

 

[JonaDiaper]

shiz gonna win it all? lol

are like mango pc and m2k not going?

 

[pockyD]

yes, i'm aware that EC will probably destroy WC

I mean, even here, I'm comparing basically WC's 2nd tier (taking out mango with his own tier) with EC's third tier (after taking out m2k with his own tier) and claiming THOSE to be close to even.

 

[otg]

I agree with pbnj, well said. Shiz alone bumps up EC, not even taking into account all the other fantastic players (chopz, hbox, cobol). Genesis will be interesting, that's all we can say now.

 

[Scar]

yeah EC tiers right now are like

top: m2k
high: cactuar/jman/shiz/pc
mid: everyone not on this list including cort (if he goes) colbol chopz hbox wife scar reno hbk spammer etc

edit: FL who do you think would win between tristate (minus m2k jman pc cactuar) vs FL minus shiz? we should do that, that would be sick.

hbk/reno/scar/spam/vanz/eggm
vs
colbol/lamchopz/hbox/speedn/rockrock?/qdvs?

 

[MaNg0]

*sigh*

guess well just wait

 

[DtJ Jungle]

hahahahaahhahhhaahahah scar losing to aarosmashguy again.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Lol I think Florida is South, because If EC got Florida crews would def be unfair. We'd probably have about 5 or more players left after each crew battle.

 

[Scar]

hbk i'm ready to do tristate vs the world honestly like the 10 best players outside of tristate vs tristate's top 10. i think we def have a solid chance.

 

[Rubyiris]

yeah EC tiers right now are like

top: m2k
high: cactuar/jman/shiz/pc
mid: everyone not on this list including cort (if he goes) colbol chopz hbox wife scar reno hbk spammer etc

edit: FL who do you think would win between tristate (minus m2k jman pc cactuar) vs FL minus shiz? we should do that, that would be sick.

hbk/reno/scar/spam/vanz/eggm
vs
colbol/lamchopz/hbox/speedn/rockrock?/qdvs?

cash mooney here

uhhh

florida is south not east coast

and florida vs
hbk/reno/scar/spam/vanz/eggm?

florida would win imo

qdvs doesn't play melee seriously much anymore

and rock crock too

speedn quit

lol

bob ur right i think tri state is a region by itself lol

FLORIDA IS NOT EAST COAST

 

[otg]

Man, as much as I'm rooting for all you EC guys, all this **** talk is going to look foolish if you guys get worked at Genesis lol. Don't get me wrong, Tri-state is insane but who knows how things can pan out against the whole nation?

 

[NES n00b]

Does anyone quit when they are ahead or do they have to just go to the gutter before they stop?

 

[Rubyiris]

well thats the thing

tri state WILL **** at genesis

top 10 or so spots for melee will be EC players id bet on it

 

[pockyD]

i doubt anything like EC vs the world goes down, but EC would stand a very good chance in that anyway

EC is definitely a clear favorite in standard regional crews though, and has pretty much earned the right to trash talk by always dominating in regional crews over the years