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[Wenbobular]

kind of surprised s2j sees shield dropping as a gimmick/cheap

Haha it's pretty cheap, but only because nobody uses it yet and people expect things like uptilting shields from below to actually work <_<

*Shield drop Bair -> knee*
Get raaaaped

 

[Scar]

using it to surprise people is gimmicky

using it to punish unsafe pressure (like wenbo is saying) is not

it's that simple

 

[ShrieK1295]

Can you buffer a shield drop, or do you have to hit the control stick after shield stun is over?

 

[Morin0]

using it to surprise people is gimmicky

using it to punish unsafe pressure (like wenbo is saying) is not

it's that simple

I don't follow this line of logic. In a setting where people apply shield dropping to their game, I don't see how it's gimmicky and even then when it catches people by surprise, how exactly is it gimmicky?

 

[mers]

Can you buffer a shield drop, or do you have to hit the control stick after shield stun is over?

You can buffer it which is cool as ****.

I don't follow this line of logic. In a setting where people apply shield dropping to their game, I don't see how it's gimmicky and even then when it catches people by surprise, how exactly is it gimmicky?

Gimmicky in that it's not actually good cuz people can anticipate it and **** you up for it very easily if you rely on it.

 

[Morin0]

You can buffer it which is cool as ****.



Gimmicky in that it's not actually good cuz people can anticipate it and **** you up for it very easily if you rely on it.

Maybe it's because I'm a n00b at Melee, but I still don't see how people can pick up on it if in 64 you're generally not punished for it and in fact, is a really important tech. But maybe Melee =/= 64 in terms of how shield dropping works? This is all very surprising to me.

 

[Deleted member]

u guys misunderstand me but i dont feel like learning it thats all

its much more vital in 64 though i'll tell u that much

 

[Gahtzu]

just learn it dude it goes so well with edge canceling and gives u hella sick movement.

And shield dropping offensively is much better than doing it defensively so its not a complete hoax.

 

[Scar]

what mers said. if you rely on anything because it works in some "meta" sense it's gimmicky.

 

[Deleted member]

how about i play the way i want

yeah i know its good but i don't think its gunna be OH I DIDNT SHIELD DROP THATS WHY I LOST

I'd rather focus on improving my other aspects of the game not limited to movement out of shielding on plats

 

[Morin0]

how about i play the way i want

yeah i know its good but i don't think its gunna be OH I DIDNT SHIELD DROP THATS WHY I LOST

I'd rather focus on improving my other aspects of the game not limited to movement out of shielding on plats

No, man. You won't lose because you don't implement shield dropping into your playstyle. Your Falcon is pretty sick and wrecks *****es without shield dropping. I just think shield dropping is one of those things where it can only do good for your gameplay? But according to some other posters here, it's more gimmicky than good.

I think you know firsthand what kind of stuff shield dropping allows, so I was just curious if applied in Melee, it will also allow for some crazy stuff to happen as well.

 

[Gahtzu]

shield dropping is also the next generation of comboing but to each his own.

 

[leffen]

how about i play the way i want

yeah i know its good but i don't think its gunna be OH I DIDNT WAVEDASH/LCANCEL THATS WHY I LOST

I'd rather focus on improving my other aspects of the game

2012 version of 2006 melee scrub

oh joy

you should also learn teching kill moves... you can tech falcos bair to 200% with falcon and fsmash to 150%, dsmash forever, and edgecancel dair (no stun whatsoever) to 130%ish. EXTREMELY good for when you land onstage with UpB or techchased/whiffed a move (like grab)

 

[Morin0]

shield dropping is also the next generation of comboing but to each his own.

At least in 64, shield dropping allows the execution of certain combos and the continuation of combos. I imagine it should be the same for Melee but hey, what do I know?

 

[Deleted member]

2012 version of 2006 melee scrub

oh joy

you should also learn teching kill moves... you can tech falcos bair to 200% with falcon and fsmash to 150%, dsmash forever, and edgecancel dair (no stun whatsoever) to 130%ish. EXTREMELY good for when you land onstage with UpB or techchased/whiffed a move (like grab)

teching kill moves good but more applicable in teams IMO, i'm currently in the state where I can tech any move ( i don't roll in though cuz i forget, then try to remind myself to do it nexttime, then i forget again) but even if I do roll in its probably they will probably just hit me again

but a small chance of survival is better than nothing
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i'm not in a good position to actually practice the game. I don't own a copy of the game, nor a playable setup atm. Even if I did i don't feel like sitting there and practicing.

I'd rather play the person and win through being solid.

and also i'd rather not look like sloppy *** jeapie who has good tricks but struggles to sometimes l-cancel/ basic techskill etc

ITS JUST low on the priority list rofl. I know its applications. I simply don't care for what it can give ATM

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Morino I've played 64 and melee a lot. I assure you shield dropping (which is also 5x easier to pull off than melee) is absolutely crucial in that game. In Melee it is simply another positive to keep in ur repertiore. I know that that isn't a bad thing.

64 is also a ****ing abysmal game. In terms of douchbaggery ruining the game i'd put it on par with brawls level. And if you don't believe this you are either playing against scrubs, manly men (which is only isai), or you are ****ed in the head

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[leffen]

Rolling towards doesn't work, its rolling away (towards only works vs falco dsmash)

funny how people still don't know this, sad really.

 

[ShrieK1295]

So is the 2015 scrub gonna be anyone who hasn't practiced powershielding lasers for 6000 hours and gets hit by a laser in a match??

 

[Deleted member]

Rolling towards doesn't work, its rolling away (towards only works vs falco dsmash)

funny how people still don't know this, sad really.

thanks for the info im just a lowly FLOPmerican

 

[Shroomed]

zup j0nnee, u 1/2 tu DI eway 2 dodge le dthro

you're still gonna hit the ground and have to tech cuz the hitstun is mo****n red ick yawl iss

 

[unknown522]

Lol. You 1/2 tu.

That makes me laugh

 

[Nakamaru]

After playing wenbo this past saturday. I fully understand why shield dropping is so good. I couldn't pressure him on platforms at all.

It is definitely something im going to put time into learning now.

 

[Gahtzu]

good luck to all the falcons going to FC do work

 

[j00t]

I have to play Wobbles.

EDIT: Wait wtf why aren't you going :x

 

[Gahtzu]

I have to play Wobbles.

EDIT: Wait wtf why aren't you going :x

exam
its cool though ill see everyone at Apex or some other national or some shii

 

[S l o X]

yea gl to falcons going to fc

not sure who is but i guess j00t hax mafia darkrain is all?

 

[Divinokage]

I'll play some Falcon too for sure.

 

[j00t]

yea gl to falcons going to fc

not sure who is but i guess j00t hax mafia darkrain is all?

Juggleguy ORLY Yo$himan Jace and bertbusdriver are some other names that I recognize

 

[RFrizzle]

Yeah don't count out the boy Jace

 

[Deleted member]

im cursed to never meet darkrain

 

[strawhats]

im cursed to never meet darkrain

sad, i've wanted to see a set b/w you guys. I believe you are the only top North American falcon player he hasn't played.

 

[Juggleguy]

S2J and Darkrain cannot be at the same tourney because the venue couldn't handle that amount of badassery in the same location. Their combined presence would tear a hole in the fabric of space-time.

 

[Tink]

and now darkrains back in the MW 0_0....u know he aint getting any better, only deteriorating.

 

[Divinokage]

im cursed to never meet darkrain

=( Why aren't you going!!! =(

 

[Juggleguy]

and now darkrains back in the MW 0_0....u know he aint getting any better, only deteriorating.

As if he was better off in Texas, no offense to any Smashers there.

 

[RFrizzle]

and now darkrains back in the MW 0_0....u know he aint getting any better, only deteriorating.

None of us will ever get better with that attitude.

 

[flantasticflan]

I'll play some Falcon too for sure.

You should just main falcon the whole tourney, that would be ****

 

[Dees]

Can anyone give me some guidance for edge guarding samus? I'm not really sure what I should be doing against her and it hurts me every tournament.

 

[FerrishTheFish]

Can anyone give me some guidance for edge guarding samus? I'm not really sure what I should be doing against her and it hurts me every tournament.

When she tries her bomb recovery, it's a free Falcon PAWNCH!

It's actually really hard to edgeguard Samus, on most stages she can just go way too low for you to follow, and still make it back with her upward dodge grapple glitch thingie. I'd say, unless the Samus is really predictable with their recovery, you should just stay safe and try to edgehog.

 

[Wenbobular]

I just try to time stomps on the ledge and hope they work honestly <_< Edgeguarding Samus is really annoying

If you're good you can probably upair her when she bombs but she curls up into this tiny *** ball and moves around like crazy -_-

 

[unknown522]

Something really really gay you can do to samus is, let her grapple the ledge and hog her. When she pulls herself up, then you ledge hop knee and send her in reverse.

You can do it to link/Y. Link as well. What's really gay about it is that if they up-b, then you can abuse the ledge invincibility then either punish the landing lag, or hit her through the up-b

You can also b-air her when she attempts to grapple lower.

Or b-air/knee her when she's bombing.

Or stomp when she has no jump and force her to up-b in a bad spot.

Because of how fast+far falcon can jump, he has one of the best edgeguarding capabilities vs samus (sheik and maybe fox are better at it. But not for the same reasons).