Oh yea, I completely forgot how ****ed up the gravity is and how its inconsistent throughout instead of universal dgrav which causes hitstun to act really wack and not the way its supposed too. So making another code because of this decision to have a nonuniform gravity change would definitely help things out. It may need more lowering though but who knows
Actually, what you're suggesting is doable with just PSA. We can get extremely exact values by messing with gravity, sh, fj, and double jump multiplier. The only thing I don't think you can do with PSA is make FFs faster.
The thing about Brawl+ is that unlike the ground-based game that is melee, Brawl+ often leads to edge guarding scenarios much more quickly. Melee stages were bigger, characters were smaller, and hitstun was, i guess, a bit lower. This means that gameplay was mostly confined to the stage and when you finally did get someone to the ledge, it normally meant death.
Brawl+ is different in that respect in that stages are smaller, moves generally send much farther, there's more hitstun, recoveries are much more forgiving/safer and characters are floatier. This means that the players experience off stage exchanges much more frequently than in Melee, and unlike Melee, an 'exchange' can take place off stage as well, and a character that does get knocked off can usually get back to the ledge safely. If we were to suddenly change the ledge game to be as punishable as Melee's, you would break the balance that we've worked towards these past few months using Brawl+'s existing mechanics. Brawl+'s combos/strings are frequently getting you off stage, if we were to suddenly shift it so that off edge = death, the game would change drastically.
I'm not saying this is bad direction to go, but it's not just a simple matter of making edges more punishable. You have to take a look at the core of the game, and in Brawl+'s current state, there's muuuch more you'd have to change; a complete overhaul of not just the metagame, but a change of stage size, character speeds, knockback adjustments would be required. Not to mention a lot of work put into balancing the game around the EXISTING changes we've made over the past few months would need an overhaul as well. So yes, this means, back to square one.
rofl
we got rid of that months ago
And honestly, once we get these new mechanics in place, taking a step back could be just what this project needs, starting with slightly lower hitstun, 5 dead frames after an air/side/spot dodge in which you cannot airdodge again/shield, and a revamp to the ledge game, including Ledgetech+ (whatever that turns out to be), and a smaller ledgegrab range (but still large enough that a perfect sweetspot is safe from most moves).
Point is, if we change something, change alot. Not just one small thing. Everything works fine now, and changing just a little will be more of a hindrance than a help.
These two posts are great. It's true, we'd need to rebalance a lot of stuff. Not only characters, but the mechanics, themselves. But if done well, it will result in a better brawl+, which is something I think we can all agree is worth trying for.
You could just make it so that every ledgetech is a walljump tech...
No.
May aswell.
If Falco loses his SHDL he needs:
buffed laser damage (at least 3dmg like he originally had)
DIable lasers
FF lasers
and as I mentioned in my previous post, his shine's lower hitboxes should be evaluated.
I'm actually looking into redoing falco's physics right now. Haven't got fj or ff laid out just yet, but so far I've got .95 sh, 1.0 dgrav, and 1.3 fgrav, from the previous .9 sh, 1.2 dgrav, and 1.1 fgrav. Should make him reach the peak of his sh a couple frames sooner while still retaining a similar height and without affecting how well he gets combo'd much. Once ff'able (and DI'able) lasers are implemented, it should result in taking less than 20 frames (before landlag) to perform a shl, making it pretty similar to melee's level of efficiency (it took 17 frames plus landlag to do one in melee if you did it perfectly). This should make the SHL
plenty fast enough to make up for the loss of the SHDL. Furthermore, 2% with no damage staling is arguably better than 3%
with staling, so you can stop bringing that up now.
Anyway, we'll look into fixing the shine hitbox. If you want to play around with its size a bit in PSA and find a good value, feel free to. Things tend to get done a lot quicker when they're done by different people hint hint.
I'm for Manual L Canceling. It adds some kind of skill requirement to what is already a combo-fest/noob-friendly game that Brawl+ already is.
Put simply... no. It just raises the entry level to the game, which is ultimately a bad thing. Brawl+ being easy to pick up is an
awesome thing about it, and a great selling point for new players. However, raising the mastery level of the game will ultimately just extend its lifetime and depth without hampering new players trying to get into the game.
Besides... we have plenty on our plates right now without having to worry about the l-canceling argument again... like... can we please not even bring it up anymore until we actually start getting some of the more important stuff implemented?
From what I understand, leafgreen was unable to make a code which remapped the footstool jump input.
Yeah, I got kinda frustrated when what I was doing wasn't working right. I think I'm on the right track, though... just gotta go at it again. I'm probably gonna work on some other stuff in the mean time, though, and come back to it later.
