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[FrozenHobo]

well, then what is the second "deadlands", then? hmmm?

second deadlands? what?



and don't be a ****. we're just talking right now, don't make in an argument.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

someone was talking about deadlands, and someone responded "We don't need a second deadlands." Do you have any idea what this might be?

 

[FrozenHobo]

i think he was talking about having deadlands AND LM in the same SSS.

 

[MK26]

brain cramp...meant to say "we only need one fd"

Dont tell me deadlands isnt by far the closest stage to fd, barring sandbag-less WWR.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I like the mansion. People are like, "YOU CAN COMBO LIKE A **** ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MANSION"

... My comment on that kind of thing is, "Tech, tech, tech, SDI, SDI, SDI, DI, DI, DI, all the way to 999%.

 

[FrozenHobo]

I like the mansion. People are like, "YOU CAN COMBO LIKE A **** ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MANSION"

... My comment on that kind of thing is, "Tech, tech, tech, SDI, SDI, SDI, DI, DI, DI, all the way to 999%.

thats my problem with the mansion. you can't die on the bottom part. however, i would be fine with a slowed down mansion if not for the ****ed up graphics when the mansion falls/rebuilds.

 

[GHNeko]

Deadlands was removed to restore Luigi's Manshion, IIRC. The PT bug isn't really a problem as changing the spawn points would fix that, IIRC, but I'm not 100% sure so don't take this as fact without confirming it.

I believe deadlands should come back though, with altered bounderies. Luigi's slowed down removes the aspect of deadlands that make it deadlands. The platforms are not in the middle of the stage when the manshion collapses.

:V

And Neko, I don't see the problem of adding a hitbox if it's necessary. I'm not saying Lucas' zair is necessary, just saying that we shouldn't limit ourself when making B+

That's the thing I'm having issues with.



"we shouldn't limit ourselves when making B+" is not good mentality for Brawl+ in the long run, at least imo, because there is ALWAYS such a thing as too far.

"Too much of anything is always a bad thing."

This applies to change as well. We can easily change too much and I want to avoid that. And to do such a thing, limits need to be established, even for Brawl+.



Point blank. No ands/ifs/buts about it. <_>



And I whole-heartidly agree about cheating. Even at the most micoscopic level, it should and hopefully WILL be taken extremely seriously.



When people hear, "He cheated only a little", those last 3 words dont matter at all. As soon as they register the first two, it becomes just as bad as if he cheated majorily.



It damages Brawl+ rep, gives TOs a pain in the ***, holds up tourneys, redcues numbers to Brawl+ tourneys, and possibly prevents people who want to go from going as the cheater could easily be the guy who drove 3-4 people there. <_>



I want to trust in the community, but common sense says there is always a bad seed in every community, no matter what, and Brawl+ is not exempt from that.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Deadlands was removed to restore Luigi's Manshion, IIRC. The PT bug isn't really a problem as changing the spawn points would fix that, IIRC, but I'm not 100% sure so don't take this as fact without confirming it.

I believe deadlands should come back though, with altered bounderies. Luigi's slowed down removes the aspect of deadlands that make it deadlands. The platforms are not in the middle of the stage when the manshion collapses.

:V





That's the thing I'm having issues with.



"we shouldn't limit ourselves when making B+" is not good mentality for Brawl+ in the long run, at least imo, because there is ALWAYS such a thing as too far.







This applies to change as well. We can easily change too much and I want to avoid that. And to do such a thing, limits need to be established, even for Brawl+.



Point blank. No ands/ifs/buts about it. <_>



And I whole-heartidly agree about cheating. Even at the most micoscopic level, it should and hopefully WILL be taken extremely seriously.



When people hear, "He cheated only a little", those last 3 words dont matter at all. As soon as they register the first two, it becomes just as bad as if he cheated majorily.



It damages Brawl+ rep, gives TOs a pain in the ***, holds up tourneys, redcues numbers to Brawl+ tourneys, and possibly prevents people who want to go from going as the cheater could easily be the guy who drove 3-4 people there. <_>



I want to trust in the community, but common sense says there is always a bad seed in every community, no matter what, and Brawl+ is not exempt from that.

I agree with everything in this.

God I love you GHNeko. (In a friendly sort of way.)

 

[Alphatron]

Wasn't it stated a while back that a code could be created to speed up the mansion rebirth animation when it comes back while keeping it slowed down?

And ROB's lases is ****** up on Green Greens. Takes way to long to barely charge. But I guess Green Greens isn't FD(taken seriously) so I won't complain much.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Wait, does that mean slowed down stages effects things like ROBs Laser and possibly other timer based attacks such as Wario Waft? Because that would be a serious problem.

 

[PKNintendo]

Wait, does that mean slowed down stages effects things like ROBs Laser and possibly other timer based attacks such as Wario Waft? Because that would be a serious problem.

It doesn't affect them. The stages themselves are slowed. But the timer remains intact.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Well he was saying that ROB's laser takes longer to charge on Green Greens

And Green Greens is slowed down.

 

[SRTM]

how do I go about editing the gct file so I can get textures working with it and
"file replacement 3.5, infinite replay, tags in replay, unlimited camera, standard competitive settings, New Pork City is Wi-fi Waiting room" from youko's texture pack?

thanks

 

[cAm8ooo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAdyr4sEOkI

^ Is this being looked into for brawl+ or just kicks?

 

[Shadic]

I'm not quite sure if I like it or not. It's pretty cool, though. The Utilt is kinda fast, though.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAdyr4sEOkI

^ Is this being looked into for brawl+ or just kicks?

I think that that is utterly awesome. And should be tried in nightly builds.

 

[colored blind]

It's neat, but it goes back to that whole 'making new moves' thing. Besides, Utilt already has...some...uses.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

It's neat, but it goes back to that whole 'making new moves' thing. Besides, Utilt already has...some...uses.

Like...what?
Not that many lol

 

[Pyrostormer]

it's that thing that neko has against new moves

neko = voice of the wbr apparently

 

[colored blind]

The ellipses were to signify my hesitation of defending Utilt. >_>

Why do we need to completely and utter change the Nair? That's the reason behind possibly opposing that video. The Utilt speed up...I just don't know. It's the same move technically, but it might as well be something completely different.

 

[Strong Badam]

Utilt is massive mindgamez

 

[WheelOfFish]

Why completely change something that isn't even in need of being buffed? Ganon is good as he is, and he doesn't a new n-air or u-tilt. I play as Ganon a lot in Brawl+ and I don't want his moveset changed.

I don't think these changes appeal to anybody but non-Ganon mains.

 

[Pyrostormer]

they both seem rather stupid. utilt is decent for edgeguards (it hits below the ledge), nair is actually a pretty good approach move (zeon used it a bit against me and told me afterwards he was surprised how good it was for approaching)

 

[GHNeko]

neko = voice of the wbr apparently

What? Why are you assuming something like this? I'm stating my own opinion, seperate from WBR. <__>

lol assumptions. gg.

 

[Pyrostormer]

he edited his post. it used to say something different. i was responding to that. gg

 

[Alphatron]

I guess Ganon utilt is decent for edgeguards if you're fighting Link's upb.

 

[JCaesar]

Making Ganon's utilt useful is fine with me, but that nair change is too drastic for B+ imo.

neko = voice of the wbr apparently

What most WBR members say are just their individual opinions.

The only person who might qualify as "voice of the WBR" is Shanus.

 

[timothyung]

Ganon's utilt is actually a decent edge guard because of it's huge range and power...

 

[Dark Sonic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAdyr4sEOkI

^ Is this being looked into for brawl+ or just kicks?

just for kicks lol

 

[Demacrez]

I don't know, that N-Air looked stupid to me. Why would Ganon do a spinning cannonball while farting black magic?

 

[PKNintendo]

I don't know, that N-Air looked stupid to me. Why would Ganon do a spinning cannonball while farting black magic?

Win. But apparently it's just for the kicks.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

project sa is cool. brawl+ is cool. PSA+? or balanced PSA?

 

[SymphonicSage12]

The peeps who are making roy are making some progress. We'll have the final version of roy soon.

well, he may be tweaked slightly after that, but, yeah.

 

[MK26]

I'd like to recommend SoPo having aA lagless end to an aerial side-b...missing the ledge because of lag after perfectly aiming a side-b is really, really annoying.

Also, lol@Mewtwo's nair reincarnate.

 

[shanus]

Livestream with the work in progress (project SA incorporated) nightly build:

http://www.justin.tv/shanus19

 

[PKNintendo]

Oh boy!

Hehe livestream's are always awesome.

 

[WheelOfFish]

Ganon's u-tilt isn't useless unless you consider neutral-b to be useless. If you play as Ganon for a while then you'll realize that it isn't that hard to avoid accidentally using his u-tilt. It doesn't need changed.

I guess I'll wait for the next nightly before completely shooting down PSA in Brawl+ (besides use for new characters... but that's far off). I really don't know what else you guys have in mind and (obviously) the changes aren't official.

Am I the only one who finds ZSS a little overpowered? Not much though... I think making her down-b to neutral-a spike a little weaker would do the trick. My friend kept killing me with it at 30ish percent. I was using mostly heavy weights.

 

[leafgreen386]

Ganon's u-tilt isn't useless unless you consider neutral-b to be useless. If you play as Ganon for a while then you'll realize that it isn't that hard to avoid accidentally using his u-tilt. It doesn't need changed.

I don't think you even know what you just said.

And last I checked, no one was complaining about "accidentally" using utilt. Way to fail.

Also, I don't think the WBR was ever planning on incorporating something like that ganon nair into an official build unless the public outraged due to it not being included, regardless of how cool it may be.

 

[Pyrostormer]

yeah that nair looks cooler (and it probably a lot better) but it's just a pointless change :x no reason for it

 

[WheelOfFish]

I don't think you even know what you just said.

And last I checked, no one was complaining about "accidentally" using utilt. Way to fail.

Also, I don't think the WBR was ever planning on incorporating something like that ganon nair into an official build unless the public outraged due to it not being included, regardless of how cool it may be.

I think I said that u-tilt isn't any worse than neutral-b, which is a bad move, but not useless. My point was that characters have bad moves but that doesn't mean we need to replace them. I know nobody brought up accidental usage but I brought it up to further reiterate that u-tilt does not need replaced.

In other words, we don't need to abuse PSA just because we have it. Let's work with what we have instead of completely remaking something that doesn't need it. The changes might LOOK cool, but I was fine with the Ganon we had. My last paragraph should've been pretty self-explanatory: I might not agree with changing the fundamentals right now (my last paragraph wasn't just about Ganon by the way), but I'll trust the judgement of the coders because I know that the changes won't be made official unless the majority of the community wants them.

But I still think Ganon is very capable with the moveset he has.