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maybe for the first time a mk has to face a yoshi it wuld be neutral, but after that a mk just has to beware of his grab release game and mk shuld **** after that.
I second that. He's also going to be the first for me.
On the other hand we have SBR people arguing that he's a mid tier, regardless, as I pointed out before INDIVIDUAL MATCH-UPS DO NOT EQUATE TO TIER POSITIONS! He could hard counter half the cast, but if the other half hard-countered him, he still wouldn't be all that tournament viable.
Yay for personal bias!
Only cause he fits your biases.
He has issues, but learn timing. Part of being good with a character is learning to minimize their weaknesses.
Then your community is very sheltered indeed.As for Yoshi. He's not that great from what I've seen. Yup, those are the key words there, I know. Ottawa isn't exactly big on Smash; our Smash community is relatively tiny and so perhaps we live a very sheltered life as far as Smash match-ups and the like go. Nobody I've met has ever thought that Yoshi was equal to Metaknight, despite knowing about (or perhaps just hearing about) chain throws and such. Oh, and I'll continue to make jabs at Yoshi because it seems to rile up the Yoshi mains.
Marths I understand. MKs sort of. Snakes, no way. First time I picked up Yoshi (which was after I learned about his death grab) I 3-stocked a Snake of about even skill with me.
Look, the point isn't that Yoshi is underrated, the point is he's got the match-up.
Wrong. Also Sonic does not have a sizeable advantage over Bowser, the only evidence you provided was wrong.
Yeah, I'll give you that one. I actually out down what he can do from an airgrab release on Link, and not ground. However, his ground release options against Link aren't as devastating as they are on other characters.
Which evidence, and how was it wrong? You can't just disregard the evidence because you can't face the fact that Bowser has a disadvantage on yet another character.
Funny you should mention spam. At least when I've posted I've been critical and given reasons. All you've done is complain and ***** and give me no reasons whatsoever as to why I'm wrong. Basically, shut the **** up about spamming if that's all you're doing yourself.
Agreed, lol. He gets projectile spammed the hell out of, and can't approach.
You wonder why people get annoyed with you and this thread, lol.
Jab? Bowser's jabs and tilts are freakishly long range.
Other than jab, all the others (bar dtilt) are pretty slow. Sure, they've got good range, but what good is it if they're not going to consistantly hit?
True.
I'm not trying to be an *** by asking this, but what exactly do we have to consider with Sonic, then? Considering that all of these tricks are absolutely essential to Sonic's gameplay and every respectable Sonic should be using them, I can't see what else his match-up would revolve around, considering these fake-out type things are main strats.
The point of a character being good at mindgaming is that he/she/it/potato is in a position where he/she/it/potato can use a number of different options with discrete counters. If your opponent picks wrong, then you get the attack in. Or, better yet, you have options after your opponent has commited to a defensive option to make sure that you use a move that your opponent hasn't countered, and he/she/it/potato has to decide a defensive option before you reach this point.
Well, they took it into account for Falcon's matchups in melee, so I don't see why not.
Even is understandable, but definitely not disadvantaged, unlike what the chart shows.
Pastaboy isn't infallible. From what I've seen, there are people who disagree with Pastaboy about what he says, and how what he says is biased. What's sad about all of this is the fact that you have an out-dated Samus guide created by Doomgaze. Let's not forget that Doomgaze has quit continuing his guide, and so I took it upon myself to create a Samus guide after I had first made it the official Samus match-up thread. It has been stickied by phanna for a reason. In fact, phanna said of my guide,
Falcon's incredible dash dance was mentioned all the time for baiting and punishing Marth's fairs. His tech chasing game was mentioned all the time too (though that was pretty much guranteed with Falcon's speed, but there were a few things he could do that relied solely on prediction).
When I read this, I knew the Mushroom Kingdom was doomed.
Play asfely and you'll win more easily.
Cause people find out it like the Snake match-up. If Mk spaces well and plays it safe, everything DK does suddenly becomes punishable.
