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I'm pretty sure it doesn't b/c she "appears" at the the sight she lands, she doesn't move towards the shield. It takes the same effect like din's on the mirror if it hits in the front. It'll just go *poof* and pit will get knocked back with out damage.
I wouldn't say it's equal, but it is partially momentum based from what I've experienced. They're both floaty characters with some great aerials.
(double post... tsk tsk)
My idea of pro would be someone present in the public consciousness, and held by all to be a good player. Like DarkMusician, that might be the only pro Zelda people hear of.
Since when? If you hit her after her second jump and grab the ledge, she'll use her third jump and tether and then fall to her doom.
Arrow Chasing is useful against Wolf, yes, but is there enough time to do that to Wolf continuously before he reaches you? He's not slow.
Are you taking into account Wolf's reflector which has invincibility frames when it comes out, making it essentially a very fast counter, even though it only does 3 damage or so (It also comboes into the jab combo, which does 9%)? And Wolf's grab game is quite good, especially with his Down throw having tech chasing properties, so Pit may not want to shield all the time. I do retract my comment that Wolf is much better at close fighting that Pit however.
I still wouldn't go and say that Wolf is a push over for Pit. After looking over all that Pit can do (And spending a nice hour of my time just reading the Pit boards and watching a few videos of Pit), I'm kinda inclined to call it a neutral match up that really depends on how the Wolf plays. If he just goes in and attacks, he's probably done for, if he can play smartly, space and use the reflector well though, it shouldn't be disadvantageous for him.
/motions towards the tip of my nose
But what if the Wolf drops the reflector and pulls out a quick jab combo or such? The Pit can't always manage that grab. I'm still wanting to call it neutral. However, from what I see from the Pit boards, you're a large scale Pit player, so I'm pretty sure I'm the guy missing something here.
That chart exist because people want to know about character match ups. Skill is equal for every match up. A good Captain Falcon can beat a lousy Marth and that doesn't mean that Captain Falcon is automatically better. We try to take skill out of the equation so that we can evaluate each characters strengths and weaknesses. I don't think people rely on this too much but it is useful info to have. Having a chart like that shouldn't be detrimental to the future meta games unless it was bizarre and said that Snake and MK were low tier and Ganon, CF, Sonic, Yoshi, and Jiggs were God Tier lol.
Agree, ZSS has a bad approach and if she stands up, falco rack up easy damage with the SHDL. If ZSS does crawl attimes she becomes a wide target for dairs, so falcocan dair her up and proceed his combos and KO her lightness a 100% with his multiple kill moves were ZSS has to get falco up to 140% to get the job done.
Projectiles are kinda overrated against Sonic, given that he can either Pshield>run or spinshot over most of them. I haven't had trouble against TL, but I attribute it to not having fought a good TL before, so I can't comment on that matchup too much.
I don't want to get in a whole debate here, but I'll add that ZSS can kill Falco at lower damages than he can kill her...and crawling should only be used when given the space.
It's funny cos all Ike has on Sonic is range and power.
As i stated a page or 2 ago i also think that Kirby>Ike, because ikes attacks are just too freakin slow, everytime i fight one i run up to them dodge there first attack if they are attacking, throw a flurry of punches at their face, grab them and hit them a few times before slamming them a little closer to the edge, then i right/left tilt them while they are triyng to hit me with one of thier smash attacks, wich are too slow for kirbys tilts, until they are off the stage. After they are off the stage i back up because i know theyre going to up B to recover and directly afterwards try to sneak in that stupid charging slash as if thats fast enough to hit me, so i dodge it and hit em with the hammer OR i turn into a rock directly above where thier sliding slash attack will end..then its game over. The only attacks that Ike has that are effective against Kirby is his neutral A, anyways That is just one example of a basic match with ike but this match can go in any order with him doing the charge slash first and i'tll all be the same in the end, so this list should be changed to Kirby>Ike ASAP
. By the way i don't really know if kirby owns wolf because i've only played against wolf like 4 times out of my 1,000 matches (earned it yesterday) and the wolf was inexperienced at that, so no comment on that front.
once in a while it is
as much as i love to chaingrab snake, you cant really say lucario has an advantage. lucario is extremely difficult to hit for most characters and aura sphere keeps everyone at range, but snake can just ftilt from the same range as lucarios fsmash, theres just no competing with that thing. honestly, why snake has any disadvantages is beyond me when he can just ftilt through every single smash and does 20%, utilt kills at around 110%, its ridiculous.
sorry if my earlier post seemed to be in an angry tone i did not mean it to be. but darkmusician is the only known zelda i can think of off the top of my head and i just wanted to point out that the zelda's that comment might not be well known but as long as they are not noobs and good to tournaments they could still have valid points.
There's actually a thread in the DK boards about it, but I think a brief summary is as follows: (1) DK is heavy and can absorb a lot of AAA combos etc., (2) DK's tilts, Down-B and smashes pretty much neutralize Snake's entire ground game, (3) DK has a very good aerial approach that outmatches Snake's, and can juggle him, (4) DK is extremely good at gimping Snake off the stage, and (5) DK is deceptively fast despite being powerful, which helps him further outmaneuver snake. It's kind of weird, but not altogether unprecedented: DK had some nasty **** against fastfallers like CF in Melee as well.
