BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[adumbrodeus]

Hm...



Since you seemed to add that yellow part to your statement do you mind clarifying what that base was? It seems as if you want to discourage the Chibo lynch, but at the same time not completely discredit it. It would look suspicious for a mafia member to fully cover for his partner so a neutral stance on it would be safest.

For all intents and purposes the idea of lynching Chibo based off Overswarm's quote is ********. So I'm extra curious as to why you think there was a base.

I'll agree, it's ********.

Also find it interesting that you threw out the idea that moogles could be independents. Independents need to die just as much as mafia. Any role that is not town aligned is scum.

Why understanding is parties actively opposed to town are all the town needs to remove based on the wording in the objectives section of our info PMs.

Wrong.

Bandwagons do not necessarily mean lynching a person. Bandwagons are pressure votes buildton a person that usually causes them (and if they're mafia their teammates) to act in a certain way. Bandwagons are excellent tools for breaking down mafia, and unfortunately, breaking down town but the one thing you'll always receive from bandwagons are reactions, responses, and information.

If we wait until deadline to finally decide on a person and that person claims DOC and there's no CC's (counter claims) then obviously we have to move elsewhere. However, because we waited until the last day to bandwagon pressure to the point of them name/role claiming we run out of time to add pressure to the next most suspicious person. This is the scenario that occurs when people wait last minute to cast their votes and do not bandwagon pressure early on in the Day.

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So I'm getting annoyed but you people need to join a bandwagon with me and stop being so reserved. If no one votes no one feels pressured and no information gets distributed. Just, "Hey, why are you voting me?" 's every other post.

unvote (if i have a vote one someone just in case)

gonna do a small review then decide on my top 2 candidates based on weakest link/scummy/useless credentials

Doesn't work that way in person, but fair enough.


Unfortunately, there's the "breaking down the town" concern, which at this point is a major issue.

 

[Shaya]

hey guys, unfortunately from now I wont be able to partake for the next 3 days due to running a major tournament... starting in about half an hour.

Ill be back before Night 1, so Ill catch up there and then.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

God, I'm so sorry for editing the post. I need to get the habit out of my head =( I will respond to your latest soon Omni.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

To say it shortly - No, I didn't want to lynch Chibo "just out of principle" like you said, I was just trying to say lynching Scamp for your reasons was equally as dumb. But then later in the post, I just wanted to leave open the possibility of lynching Chibo for OTHER reasons - i just didn't make it clear, which is why I went back and edited the post, to make sure you guys didn't think I was saying that I think he's guilt free.

When I say there is a basis to lunch Chibo, I'm saying it in support of the idea that Moogles are not necessarily town aligned. That is to say, just because Chibo is a Moogle (most likely), doesn't mean he's town aligned, and hence, he has not been cleared and there is still a basis to lynch him. Maybe basis is the wrong word, or whatever, but by basis i meant you can't completely eliminate the concept. This is why my stance on Chibo is what it is and why I'm discouraging the lynch but not completely discrediting it - because I have suspicion moogles could be independent parties. Let me explain why I think independent parties exist below.

Also find it interesting that you threw out the idea that moogles could be independents. Independents need to die just as much as mafia. Any role that is not town aligned is scum.

I got the idea from FF6 - Moogles live on their own, and only Mog joins the party, and heck he's optional even in the WoB, if you choose the Gold Hairpin instead of saving him. But he's not an "evil" guy necessarily in that game, so I figured it's possible Moogles could be working seperately from Mafia. Here's the interesting part of the rules to me :


Everyone’s win conditions are not necessarily uniform!

If it was just town vs everyone else, then everyone's win conditions WOULD be in uniform. This rule to me strongly suggests independent parties of some sort, and it's possible their win conditions either clash with the Mafia's and/or Town's win conditions.

 

[Marc]

Gah, Crashboards destroyed my post. =[

Quick recap before I leave: We need to be wary of independents, but right now everyone is judging Chibo based on meta... let's judge him on what he actually does.

I'm trying to figure out for some people if they are pretending to be newbies or are actual newbies. =[

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Edrees, your last post doesn't really make sense.. You really think Chibo might be independent because of that? Do you think he's scum for any other reason than that? Or is it just based on meta?

Also I don't see why people think Moogles can't be part of the mafia, the story implies that the mafia is at least somewhat composed of the heroes of FFVI. So, not saying that Mog in particular would be a villain, but people saying that he isn't, based on that flavor, isn't going to get us anywhere.

More inactivity johns from me to come, gonna be busy most of tomorrow, though I'll try to get on tomorrow night. I'll try to reread more tonight but if I'm not able to make a post, yeah.

Looking forward to hearing more form Dastrn.

 

[Dastrn]

Looking forward to hearing more form Dastrn.

I apologize, but I'm going to disappoint you in this regard. My usual LONG weekend at work was extended by 9 total hours this weekend, which mostly means that I shouldn't have much time at all at home to check this stuff. I'm hoping to bring my laptop with me to work this morning and I might have some time this morning while the kids are busy with paperwork to put my thoughts together in a post. But it's not super likely.

Again, sorry. Work johns are legit. I'll always put my job first.

 

[Overswarm]

Just letting everyone know, I'm out like most of you to a tournament so my posting will be nil until Sunday.

Good luck, and STOP EDITING POSTS.

Much thanks to Omni for helping me out with that.
-OS

 

[Dastrn]

More absentee johns. My wife's grandpa died this afternoon, rather suddenly. I'm not sure how long i'll be out of town and i'm not sure what to expect for internet access while I'm away. Sorry.

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!
Omni it would probably be better to not edit Edrees' post even if it's to show what wasn't originally there. I can see that you didn't add anything of your own but to everyone else they see "last edited by omni" without knowing what you changed...
let OS deal with edrees' edit

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!
EBWOP: I see that OS didnt care about that, w/e
it just looked really :/ when I read through it the first time

 

[Omni]

OS told me to edit it.

Also, Chibo, would you like to contribute something to the actual game rather than hide the fact that you're intentionally coasting with off-topic semantical posts?

 

[Overswarm]

I'm not a moderator, so I cannot do so; Omni's helping me out. Other mods would be able to see if he actually changed anything =P

Hopefully it won't be much of a problem anymore anyways ^_^

 

[Marc]

Can we get a votecount?

 

[Overswarm]

vote: (for / by)
Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp
Chibo Sempai (1) - Swordgard

Not Voting:

Shaya, Marc, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, ChiboSempai, Adumbrodeus, DarkMusician, Dastrn, Omni, Shadowlink, Hilt, .joel

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.

 

[CT Chia]

OS told me to edit it.

Also, Chibo, would you like to contribute something to the actual game rather than hide the fact that you're intentionally coasting with off-topic semantical posts?

kupo!
iv been reading but there is hardly anything to contribute to really. there has been discussion which is good, but nothing enough really of importance to build a case on nor have I found anytime I can really contribute well myself either.

 

[Omni]

ok

vote: chibo

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!
Call it OMGUS or not, but I don't appreciate the overly aggressive/leading role your taking here. I feel like you see the opportunity to do so with so many new players in the game. Let them play it out, and stop trying to start all the bandwagons yourself.
Lets mix things up shall we?

Ability use: Snare!

Omni's votes no longer count towards the vote total. Totals are tallied as if that player was merely not voting.

 

[BarDulL]

vote: (for / by)
Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp
Chibo Sempai (1) - Swordgard

Not Voting:

Shaya, Marc, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, ChiboSempai, Adumbrodeus, DarkMusician, Dastrn, Omni, Shadowlink, Hilt, .joel

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.

Hmm...

Vote: Chibo

 

[Omni]

i dont need my vote to count to start a wagon.

and as u should have seen there would be no bandwagons to start with thanks to the recent activity and lack of knowledge of bandwagons. neither u, scamp, or marc has taken the time to start one so i will

but wow @ having the power to remove a person's vote choice. some power role you got there. you'd be dangerous to have in lylo if you're mafia/indy so im feeling more comfortable with this wagon on you

 

[Overswarm]

Ability use: Snare!

Omni's votes no longer count towards the vote total. Totals are tallied as if that player was merely not voting.

Just to clarify, this is an actual ability. I asked him to post this exact phrase to use the ability. Anyone posting "ability use: (whatever)" without instructions of the sort would lead to a modkill.

vote: (for / by)
Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp
Chibo Sempai (2) - Swordgard, BarDull
Not Voting:

Shaya, Marc, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, ChiboSempai, Adumbrodeus, DarkMusician, Omni (snare), Shadowlink, Hilt, .joel

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

Can I be a replacement?

 

[Overswarm]

Can I be a replacement?

Added in as a replacement. I'll PM you if someone drops out, but it's rare for it to occur after day 1.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

Its ok. I'm assuming there will be another after this. I should be added as a secret role who doesn't show up on the player list

 

[CT Chia]

i dont need my vote to count to start a wagon.

and as u should have seen there would be no bandwagons to start with thanks to the recent activity and lack of knowledge of bandwagons. neither u, scamp, or marc has taken the time to start one so i will

but wow @ having the power to remove a person's vote choice. some power role you got there. you'd be dangerous to have in lylo if you're mafia/indy so im feeling more comfortable with this wagon on you

kupo!
Do you think mafia would have access to this kind of ability considering the lylo situation you just presented?

 

[swordgard]

Omni, there really is nothing to contribute in a mafia game. This game has a lot of luck involved and nothing is near 100% tangible.


Upon this note I shall do what OS could have never predicted and still abide by the rules:

unvote
Vote:Omni

 

[Marc]

Swordgard, you will get lynched with the way things are now. You okay with that?

Chibo's use of his ability might have been premature, but his post restriction AND the vote manipulating ability (something Mafia should never have) make it seem to me that he's independent at worst. I'm kind of frowning upon the people who are still eager to get rid of him, do you guys really believe he's independent and/or a liability?

 

[Omni]

i think if he was smart town he would have been smart enough to save that ability for an actual more useful moment.

rather he used it with it having literally no effect.

also, whats the difference between a mafia double voter and a mafia having the ability to block a vote? i quoted os's post that said specifically that relying on flavor "the fact that his character is giving off the obvious impression that he's a moogle i.e. moogles are usually good guys or indies"

anyway, i dont like how he hasnt contributed anything at all to the game and he's upset that i'm trying to get early bandwagons going before deadline which is tomorrow. so its not a matter of believing if hes indy; its a matter of do we want someone as useless as him sticking around with that kind of power in lylo

 

[BarDulL]

Chibo's use of this ability isn't helping Town in the least; On the contrary, I feel it's very detrimental to Town to be removing anyone's vote toDay.

I'm for a bandwagon on Chibo.

 

[Red Arremer]

I'm on the fence about this matter that presents itself.

On one hand, Marc is completely right - it's unlikely that Chibo is part of the Mafia, mainly because of the restriction and power he has. However, unlikely is not impossible, which leads me to the points Omni and Bardull make.
However, keep in mind that we don't know whether there are independents in this game. And if there are, and one of them is the role of a "jester", and Chibo is it - then Chibo will win this round if we lynch him. A moogle seems to be the logical choice for a jester, to be quite honest. And considering Chibo's tactic so far, he seems to try to pull attention towards himself.

So... I'm really not sure. I tend to want to vote for Swordgard.

(Random fact by the way: I have checked with FF Wiki, "Snare" is indeed a dance possessed by Mog the Moogle, one of the hero characters in FFVI.)

 

[Scamp]

Swordgard is still the most likely mafia IMO based on today, even with this recent exchange with Chibo that is wildly confusing.

I actually don't find Chibo that suspicious right now. Hilarious, but not suspicious.

I'm also down to take out Adumb or one of the several current inactives. I'll see what develops in the next four hours.

 

[adumbrodeus]

How am I inactive?

I also explained my reasoning for that statement quite completely, why do you seem so intent on going after me?

 

[Red Arremer]

I'll agree with Scamp, and decided upon my vote today.

Therefore I vote: Swordgard.

 

[swordgard]

I'll agree with Scamp, and decided upon my vote today.

Therefore I vote: Swordgard.

Wow.

I will vote scamp or joel because there are 1 of 2 reasons why they are voting for me. Either they are mafia and want a lynch, or are not good enough as town investigators to have figured out why I voted who I did. In the later case, reread all of my posts cause it really is that obvious.

unvote
vote: .joel

 

[Overswarm]

vote: (for / by)
Swordgard (3) - Dastrn, Scamp, .Joel
Chibo Sempai (1) - BarDull
.joel (1) - Swordgard

Not Voting:

Shaya, Marc, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, ChiboSempai, Adumbrodeus, DarkMusician, Omni (snare), Shadowlink, Hilt,

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.


Two hours remaining. With less than 8 votes, there will be a "no lynch".

 

[Scamp]

How am I inactive?

I also explained my reasoning for that statement quite completely, why do you seem so intent on going after me?

You're inactive because you misread. I said you or one of several inactives, not you included with a group of inactives. Easy to misread, though.

Defending oneself, especially on day 1, is usually pretty easy. I go with my instincts when I play this game, and right now your posts are very suspect to me.

Wow.

I will vote scamp or joel because there are 1 of 2 reasons why they are voting for me. Either they are mafia and want a lynch, or are not good enough as town investigators to have figured out why I voted who I did. In the later case, reread all of my posts cause it really is that obvious.

unvote
vote: .joel

Wow.

I don't think you're mafia just because of who you voted for. You're not doing yourself any favors with your "you guys are dumb" defense.

Also way to get gutsy when there's zero chance of anyone getting lynched today.

 

[Marc]

Overswarm: Swordgard is at 2 votes in your count with 3 names. Is that a mistake, or...?

A Jester typically doesn't have any abilities, so I think we can rule out the possibility of Chibo being one. I can maybe see Independent Voteblocker/Survivor, but that's basically it.

Swordgard's knee-jerk reaction to .joel's vote isn't doing him any favours as far as I'm concerned. If it's so obvious, why not explain yourself?

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

Not tryin to have Swordgard be lynched today. Seriously guys, if you don't get what the deal is with him then you need to read his posts again. Pretty obvious to me imo. Can someone shed some light on the actual scumtells for him?

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

I haven't picked up any really solid scumtells yet today, I would still like to lynch someone though, and want to go with someone who is incredibly inactive/not helpful to increase the quality of the following days.

With a whopping 3 posts...

Vote: Reflex

 

[Red Arremer]

Swordgard is too extreme in my opinion, and his reaction now doesn't help his image at all.

Since the very first minute he joined the game he was being overly offensive, which turned into aggressively defensiveness once I pointed my finger of suspicion (and now my vote) onto him. It's a behaviour of the extremes, and I think that acting like this AND stating "omg you guys are so dumb, all I say makes it so obvious that I'm town" actually is a huge masquerade.

If I am correct, then he will keep up this charade and try to hurt pride and/or feelings with his aggressive choice of speech, thus trying to avoid people thinking he is aligned with the mafia.
Therefore, I am convinced that he is either clever enough to try this tactic, or he is too dumb to understand that knee-jerking and being so offensive is only hurting his image as person.