BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[Omni]

According to Omni, he intentionally omitted information in response to a neutral question. He didn't "forget to post it," per se. If you read his posts, he begins flip flopping between his answers...none of which are really satisfactory to begin with. I'm impressed that you don't find this to be suspicious.

alright now you're just getting plain annoying.

back that statement up with a direct quote from me saying that i INTENTIONALLY omitted information.

the absence of information is not a direct result of intentionally attempting to omit it. THIS is what you need to understand. notice how even after my explanation and your reattempt to address the mafia view you failed to mention the Independents? so if i was you i would find you suspicious for omitting that information. you see the problem in your logic? it's flawed entirely and pretty much silly.

you're pushing on a really small and nearly nonexistent issue and playing a very bad game of mafia if you are town.

none of my answers have been flipflopped and you are the only person still pushing it. are you desperate to pin something on me? your smoking gun effect is becoming severely annoying and taking away from any attempts to concentrate on other players.

 

[BarDulL]

What about it is so very scummy in your opinion?

I find it very suspicious that Omni opted not to answer a neutral question with a neutral response.

Why do you think that's not suspicious/scummy?

 

[BarDulL]

alright now you're just getting plain annoying.

back that statement up with a direct quote from me saying that i INTENTIONALLY omitted information.

the absence of information is not a direct result of intentionally attempting to omit it. THIS is what you need to understand. notice how even after my explanation and your reattempt to address the mafia view you failed to mention the Independents? so if i was you i would find you suspicious for omitting that information. you see the problem in your logic? it's flawed entirely and pretty much silly.

you're pushing on a really small and nearly nonexistent issue and playing a very bad game of mafia if you are town.

none of my answers have been flipflopped and you are the only person still pushing it. are you desperate to pin something on me? your smoking gun effect is becoming severely annoying and taking away from any attempts to concentrate on other players.

Omni, I'm addressing Marc right now. Give me a moment.

 

[BarDulL]

alright now you're just getting plain annoying.

back that statement up with a direct quote from me saying that i INTENTIONALLY omitted information.

the absence of information is not a direct result of intentionally attempting to omit it. THIS is what you need to understand. notice how even after my explanation and your reattempt to address the mafia view you failed to mention the Independents? so if i was you i would find you suspicious for omitting that information. you see the problem in your logic? it's flawed entirely and pretty much silly.

you're pushing on a really small and nearly nonexistent issue and playing a very bad game of mafia if you are town.

none of my answers have been flipflopped and you are the only person still pushing it. are you desperate to pin something on me? your smoking gun effect is becoming severely annoying and taking away from any attempts to concentrate on other players.

You are right that absence of information does not mean I can freely assume it was intentionally omitted...but you acknowledged that you didn't post information and gave a reason for doing so.

"there's a lot of information that was omitted since explaining mafia in a single paragraph isn't sufficient."

I wasn't satisfied with this answer, primarily because I had -just- explained mafia's objective in less than a paragraph.

I point this out, and you come up with another answer for why you didn't post the information.

"by process of elimination the role of the bad guy is pretty clear."

This is what I mean by flip flopping. The worst part is that these answers contradict themselves. If it was going to take too long to explain mafia's objective, why is it that you think Sky would somehow manage to deduce the basics of Mafia's role?

"notice how even after my explanation and your reattempt to address the mafia view you failed to mention the Independents? so if i was you i would find you suspicious for omitting that information. you see the problem in your logic? it's flawed entirely and pretty much silly."

I'll concede that I may have lacked sufficient grounds for an FoS initially, but I certainly do not lack grounds for one now.

 

[Omni]

right. you're becoming more of a hindrance than useless at the moment. ignoring you is probably the best course of action of actually moving on with the game in a positive direction. wasting time on a player with a bad case of the smoking gun effect has run its course

@adumbrodeus: you're lurking. what's up? how long have you played mafia? how do you think we should approach this game?

@overswarm: are you looking for a replacement for Mew2King?

im thinkin of runnin this Kevin style and going off Marc's opinion of removing the more useless people. chibo, marc. lets hold hands for a bit. i say we start lynching off the coasters than the useless players in that order unless something obvious turns up

 

[BarDulL]

right. you're becoming more of a hindrance than useless at the moment. ignoring you is probably the best course of action of actually moving on with the game in a positive direction. wasting time on a player with a bad case of the smoking gun effect has run its course

@adumbrodeus: you're lurking. what's up? how long have you played mafia? how do you think we should approach this game?

@overswarm: are you looking for a replacement for Mew2King?

im thinkin of runnin this Kevin style and going off Marc's opinion of removing the more useless people. chibo, marc. lets hold hands for a bit. i say we start lynching off the coasters than the useless players in that order unless something obvious turns up

*head scratch*

What's a smoking gun effect? @_@

 

[Red Arremer]

*head scratch*

What's a smoking gun effect? @_@

It's used in criminology (sp?) and science. It basically is a reference to a piece of evidence that is highly suggestive or conclusive to a certain hypothesis. The term is based on a situation like this: if you have someone who got shot and find a smoking gun (i.e. a gun who just got fired) on someone, it's highly suggesting that this person fired the gun.

Basically, Omni wants to say that you're trying to create conclusive evidence through his postings and suspect him to be Mafia because of his responses to you.

 

[Omni]

Vote: Scamp

 

[adumbrodeus]

@adumbrodeus: you're lurking. what's up? how long have you played mafia? how do you think we should approach this game?

You check my profile to see that I was lurking?


Lol, yes I've played this game before, though never really online.



My opinions as far as players, wait and see who becomes active, it's still early to decide who's "dead weight" imo.



I'm currently paying very close attention to your conversation with Bardull because you guys posted a lot of information that might be pertinent to deciding if one, both, or neither of you is mafia-aligned.




Also, has anyone considered that Bardull's and/or Omni's behavior so far might be posting restrictions? I mean, I don't know who might be required to "pick a fight" and be generally argumentative, but it's possible.

 

[Omni]

bottom of the page results @ bro

 

[BarDulL]

It's used in criminology (sp?) and science. It basically is a reference to a piece of evidence that is highly suggestive or conclusive to a certain hypothesis. The term is used basically like this: if you have someone who got shot and find a smoking gun (i.e. a gun who just got fired) on someone, it's highly suggesting that this person fired the gun.

Basically, Omni wants to say that you're trying to create conclusive evidence through his postings and suspect him to be Mafia because of his responses to you.

Oh...I see! Well, yes and no, but I can see how that can be annoying. Even so, all I'm trying to do is bring about new information for progression, not necessarily make Omni rage IRL. XD!

Don't ignore me Omni! ;_;

What does everyone think the best course of action is at this point? I personally think some pressure should be applied to get these coasters talking.

 

[Overswarm]

@overswarm: are you looking for a replacement for Mew2King?

He has been prodded.

Currently there is no replacement set up, so he'll be mod killed if he doesn't post soon.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Sorry, couldn't build up the interest to post, since there really hasn't been much to post about <_< Lack of RVS really killed it too, but I can't say I expected differently from a game with Omni in it

Bardull vs Omni was dumb. What Omni said wasn't scummy in the least. There's a Newbie Guide in the OP. If someone's really wondering what to do, they can read that (they should have anyways).

There's way too many people in this game <_<

Oh, and to your questions, this isn't my first game and I've played 5-10 mafia games online, and hosted dozens of aim mafia games.

 

[swordgard]

I'm willing to replace anyone whos dead weight : P

 

[ShadowLink84]

I can certainly understand Bardull's point. It would be good if we had more information, on the other hand, I do think we should wait and see who becomes active.

@bro: Well I think even if there were restrictions, Bardull does raise an interesting point. Why wait for the mafia to kill someone off? It would be very helpful to gather as much information as possible. The quicker the better, and I am guessing that Bardull is prodding people with a purpose, though I do think making Omni rage wont help much either.

By the way, I had gotten a disc stuck in one of those slot drives.
My god, I was amazed that youtube was of use!
Take two plastic cards, insert them into the slot drive with the stuck disc. Then sort of peel the cards up and down to clamp on the disc while pulling.

I got an AR disc out my laptop today with it.

 

[Shaya]

Quite a random ending to your post there ShadowLink... Whats up?

By the way, I had gotten a disc stuck in one of those slot drives.
My god, I was amazed that youtube was of use!
Take two plastic cards, insert them into the slot drive with the stuck disc. Then sort of peel the cards up and down to clamp on the disc while pulling.

I got an AR disc out my laptop today with it.

It seems farfetched to be a postng restriction that I cant exactly see as a pattern with your other posts... maybe I am missing something obvious.

On another note, I will unfortuntaly be unavailable this entire weekend due to me running a major tournament !_!

For my opinion on bardull and omni? Well... Its hard to make any assertions of roles from it. All it has established is a connection between the two that can be observed as it develops over time. They both are raising red flags on themselves for whoever the Cops are in this game to gander at them.
From Omni establishing his experience in this game, I do not think that he would want to cause such commotion early on if he was Mafia. Because of this I can see some merit in Bardulls pressure.

 

[Omni]

don't role fish, shaya. it benefits no one else but mafia. also dont like that you're trying to guide power roles. sets up for easy bussing.

 

[ShadowLink84]

@Shaya: DUde I spent like 2 hours trying to get the **** disc out. The action replay disc is a data disc, but the friggin asus uses a slot instead of a disk tray.
As a result, it can get the data disc since it cant go in deep enough. So it got stuck, and cause the slot is so ****s mall, nothing was working.
I was actually going to open it up to get it til i found that youtube video.

 

[Shaya]

I dont want nor expect anyone to reveal their power roles. All I am stating is what could happen if we were to go into night phase at this point.
I can see what you mean by trying to pry what could potentially be a restriction on shadowlink.

I had no intentions of guiding/controlling power roles either.

What do you mean by bussing?

 

[Scamp]

Hi Omni. What can I do for you?

 

[ShadowLink84]

I believe he meant busing, short term for abuse.

 

[Omni]

@Shaya: Bussing is when a Mafia player redirects a person's night action to another person. For example, Town Vig attacks Mafia Goon. Busser redirects the attack to hit other random townie. It literally means backstabbing someone of your own faction but you get the point.

Anyway, everyone should join the Scamp bandwagon with me to get something started. He knows exactly why I voted him yet he's still being intentionally unhelpful/lurky.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Hmm..can you explain why you voted for him again? I might listen and jump on board, but I still don't understand why. Because he's not participating much?

 

[Omni]

Uh, yeah.

It's called a bandwagon. Jump on it.

 

[Overswarm]

Mew2King has been replaced by Swordgard due to inactivity.

 

[CT Chia]

I'd prefer to just ignore the Omni vs Bardull thing, I personally didn't see anything from it.

Omni, I don't particularly like how your just telling people to join the Scamp bandwagon.

 

[Overswarm]

I'd prefer to just ignore the Omni vs Bardull thing, I personally didn't see anything from it.

Omni, I don't particularly like how your just telling people to join the Scamp bandwagon.

Chibo Sempai has just failed to comply with his posting restriction.

This is his first and only warning.

Future failures will result in unknown consequences.

 

[Omni]

Does it need explaining at this point, Chibo?

1.) Scamp has the lowest post count.
2.) Scamp is a veteran. No reason for him to be this useless.
3.) Scamp's response to my prod was, "Hi"

 

[CT Chia]

If it doesn't need explaining at this point, then why did you say it?
kupo!

 

[swordgard]

This is my 13th mafia game.


Atm my vote will go towards ShadowLink which seems to be awefully neutral.

Vote:Shadowlink

 

[Omni]

If it doesn't need explaining at this point, then why did you say it?
kupo!

Hmm..can you explain why you voted for him again? I might listen and jump on board, but I still don't understand why. Because he's not participating much?

Omni, I don't particularly like how your just telling people to join the Scamp bandwagon.

duhr

btw what a horrible posting restriction. makes things painfully obvious

 

[Red Arremer]

Almost everyone seems awfully neutral at this point, except for the people who took opportunity to use the argument Omni/Bardull as hint.
And I personally doubt there's something specific behind the act of these 2.

Actually, I'm more suspicious about swordgard entering this game and already pressing charge onto someone who didn't post much yet.

 

[Overswarm]

Votes: (for / by)
Swordgard (1) - Dastrn (previously voted as mew2king)
Omni (1) - BarDulL
Scamp (1) - Omni
Shadowlink (1) - Swordgard

Not Voting:

Shaya, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, ChiboSempai, Adumbrodeus, Marc, DarkMusician, Shadowlink, Hilt, Scamp, .joel, Dastrn

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.



Swordgard, please bold any votes you make.

 

[swordgard]

Almost everyone seems awfully neutral at this point, except for the people who took opportunity to use the argument Omni/Bardull as hint.
And I personally doubt there's something specific behind the act of these 2.

Actually, I'm more suspicious about swordgard entering this game and already pressing charge onto someone who didn't post much yet.

You really think I'd be that not subtle if I was an evil? Seems to me like your underestimating me. Keep in mind I'm a veteran player in this.

I am convinced shadowlink is too neutral. That and we need to get this game going : P But since you don't like me voting for someone who is neutral, I'l just vote for you(.joel). Seems to me like your just looking for an early victim.

 

[Omni]

It's very clear that people haven't read the rules. Go back and do so please.

The voting structure is Vote: Whomever

 

[Red Arremer]

Not at all. If I was trying to look for a victim, I would vote for you and encourage others doing so. All I did was saying that you being so blatantly aggressive is not helping your image, if you get my drift.

In general, since we had SWF's downtimes and people might think it's still down, I think that we should just be patient and see what happens over the weekend. We still have more than enough time.
However, I think that voting for an inactive would be far more effective than voting for someone who just didn't voice an opinion on the argument between Omni and Bardull. Quite a few people actually didn't show colour in this matter - are you going to lynch all of them just because they didn't think that their argument mattered?

 

[swordgard]

Not at all. If I was trying to look for a victim, I would vote for you and encourage others doing so. All I did was saying that you being so blatantly aggressive is not helping your image, if you get my drift.

In general, since we had SWF's downtimes and people might think it's still down, I think that we should just be patient and see what happens over the weekend. We still have more than enough time.
However, I think that voting for an inactive would be far more effective than voting for someone who just didn't voice an opinion on the argument between Omni and Bardull. Quite a few people actually didn't show colour in this matter - are you going to lynch all of them just because they didn't think that their argument mattered?

You are right, I was being impatient I guess. I'll change my vote since you gave me such a good reason. I'l vote for dastrn until he changes his vote which was for M2K being unactive.
Vote:Dastrn

 

[Darkmusician]

Wow everyone here is so experienced in this game. I'm still not quite sure how to approach this game but I promise I'll give it my best shot.

 

[Scamp]

Does it need explaining at this point, Chibo?

1.) Scamp has the lowest post count.
2.) Scamp is a veteran. No reason for him to be this useless.
3.) Scamp's response to my prod was, "Hi"

While I appreciate the attempt to get something going, I'm not about to just be random for no reason. It's day 1. If you know a way for me to be helpful at the moment then please enlighten me. I will certainly pounce on anything I see suspicious but right now nothing strikes me as bad.

By the way I don't think Chibo has a posting restriction, unless it's some odd thing where he has to post "kupo" occasionally. He certainly doesn't have to do it in every post.

 

[Zankoku]

Sorry for posting when I'm not in this game, but I feel the need to emphasize the rules.

To unvote, use the command unvote. For example, unvote vote: Xyro. You must unvote before voting another player.