BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[Omni]

Don't like .joel's add-on vote to Swordgard at all.

Swordgard's random voting makes a lot of sense; I highly doubt most of you looked into it. I would be overly defensive too if I had some kind of restriction that I wasn't able to reveal and no one looked into it after I hinted people to do so.

 

[adumbrodeus]

You're inactive because you misread. I said you or one of several inactives, not you included with a group of inactives. Easy to misread, though.

Defending oneself, especially on day 1, is usually pretty easy. I go with my instincts when I play this game, and right now your posts are very suspect to me.

I generally oppose playing on instinct, I find that it leads you to trust people that you're friends with, which gets you burned.


Again, think about it in terms of what helps each side, if you look at that conversation and potential results one way or the other, who could it help? Think about it in your mind.


Ehhh, I feel like you could've been my friend if you weren't my enemy cause you chose to crusade against me. Please, THINK, use your head, you're protecting mafia right now.

 

[Red Arremer]

Omni: That's an interesting point... I never thought about it this way.

Not that it would change anything, but:
Unvote: swordgard, however FoS: swordgard. I will keep an eye on you.

 

[Scamp]

I have no friends. I walk alone.

If I could use logic and determine everyone's role without any doubt, then I would. But that's not always possible, so I go with instinct.

It would be nice if you'd vote for someone. It would be nice if a lot of other people voted for someone too.

Vig please shoot .joel or anyone who didn't vote today.

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

No point in FoS'ing really with 40 minutes away from the deadline. Either we decide to lynch someone asap or its a no go. I will be away from a comp till after the deadline now so I can't change my vote.

 

[Marc]

Vote: Reflex

He made 3 posts, none of which say anything. A better choice than Swordgard right now IMO.

 

[swordgard]

Thank you Omni.

Unvote
Vote: scamp


Scamp I would really like your reasonning behind me being mafia. I am convinced that you're mafia because you did not unvote me yet despite me AND omni explaining why I voted who I voted. You're trying to get me lynched with no valid reason.

Bandwagon on scamp anyone? I am serious.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I have no friends. I walk alone.

If I could use logic and determine everyone's role without any doubt, then I would. But that's not always possible, so I go with instinct.

It would be nice if you'd vote for someone. It would be nice if a lot of other people voted for someone too.

Vig please shoot .joel or anyone who didn't vote today.

Fair enough, but you can develop really good understandings of peoples' behavior, and everything I've done so far could not be interpreted as helping mafia from either a straight prospective or a "you know I know you know I know..." prospective.


Also: Vote Reflex



Sorry man, you've done literally nothing.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Thank you Omni.

Unvote
Vote: scamp


Scamp I would really like your reasonning behind me being mafia. I am convinced that you're mafia because you did not unvote me yet despite me AND omni explaining why I voted who I voted. You're trying to get me lynched with no valid reason.

Bandwagon on scamp anyone? I am serious.

I don't think so, he seems sincere, just instinctive.

 

[swordgard]

Fair enough, but you can develop really good understandings of peoples' behavior, and everything I've done so far could not be interpreted as helping mafia from either a straight prospective or a "you know I know you know I know..." prospective.


Also: Vote Reflex



Sorry man, you've done literally nothing.

Your right, lets vote the inactives out.

unvote
Vote: Reflex

 

[Overswarm]

vote: (for / by)
Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp,
Chibo Sempai (1) - BarDull
Reflex (4) - ChiboSempai, Marc, adumbrodeus, swordgard

Not Voting:

Shaya, TheReflexWonder, Edrees, DarkMusician, Omni (snare), Shadowlink, Hilt, .joel

With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 will end on Monday 12th at noon EST.


Less than thirty minutes remaining. With less than 8 votes, there will be a "no lynch".

 

[Shaya]

Okay Im back...

Chibos use of his ability is quite astounding. For someone who is a veteran of the game (from what I have read) to use such an ability is really confusing for me.

Swordgard is obvious. It will be interesting to see how/what his role in the game will be.

At the moment then I feel a lynch of an inactive would be better.

Noobie question, how much outside information can be used for deliberations in this manner? As in referencing players last log in times / activity on the boards as of late?
Whilst I believe it would be frowned upon in most situations, I would think someone who is not active here, but elsewhere to have a more likely chance of being scum.

 

[Shaya]

Wow crap, a lot of posts were made inbetween me writing my last one and now.

20 minutes I believe until day ends...

Reflex seems to be the one whos on his way out...

Vote: Reflex

 

[Marc]

Let me remind you all that a "no lynch" is typically bad for Town. Usually the player with the most votes simply dies when the deadline hits, but in this game that is not the case. I really hope more people will start acting or this Day will have been pretty much useless. Even getting rid of an unknown factor like Reflex is better than doing nothing IMO.

 

[Marc]

Shaya: You can use whatever information you have at your disposal. It's actually a legitimate tactic to see who's been online (while not posting in the topic).

 

[Red Arremer]

I'll jump on the bandwagon and vote: Reflex.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibos use of his ability is quite astounding. For someone who is a veteran of the game (from what I have read) to use such an ability is really confusing for me.

Yes, I have been a very active mafia player here on SWF for a while. I used the ability on Omni because reading through his posts from the game so far I felt that he was acting too much in power, which seemed to be taking advantage of the amount of new players in the game. I feel it would be beneficial for the game to not have a single player possibly set in such a position and have everyone in the game work more on their own at this point which will get the players more adjusted and net us a stronger end game team.

...


kupo!

 

[Overswarm]

Final Vote Count: Day 1

Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp,
Chibo Sempai (1) - BarDull
Reflex (6) - ChiboSempai, Marc, adumbrodeus, swordgard, Shaya, .joel

Not Voting:

TheReflexWonder, Edrees, DarkMusician, Omni (snare), Shadowlink, Hilt,



With 15 players remaining, it takes 8 to lynch...

resulting in no lynch.



Night one beings now. PM me all Night actions before noon on Wednesday, the 14th.






During the Night phase no one may post in this thread. Please do not post during the Night phase.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Aww--I was about to vote for myself for the hell of it.

I've never played a game where Turn 1 lynching was any fun. There's really nothing to talk about at the moment.

I am an idiot. I'm not supposed to post. Fff.

 

[Overswarm]

Night Actions will be due by 1 p.m., since I have a meeting today at work and we had a lot of downtime. So a bit of extra time for you guys.

Send night actions via PM, and don't post in this thread until the day starts.

 

[Overswarm]

In the World of Ruin, it is fitting that the most innocent of heart would die first. Dastrn (Gau, Town Cop) was killed during the night..... and not phoenix down nor magical spell will ever bring him back.

The heroes need to find who is doing this... and fast. Otherwise, they can expect more nights like this one. How many can they afford to lose? Action needs to be taken.



Day 2 Starts

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.


A deadline has been set for Friday, April 23rd, at Noon EST

 

[Scamp]

Man, the day ended horribly for me. For the record I would have voted for Reflex as I checked the thread a half hour before the deadline but I got the 504 error message. At that point I figured "whatever" and went back to sleep. I certainly didn't expect that level of last-second activity.

It looks like there is no vig or SK in this game.


Reflex there is nothing to talk about? Really?

Anyway it's day 2 now, so let's have some fun!

 

[Omni]

just because there was no secondary death doesn't mean there is no vig or sk, scamp. take into consideration role blockers, night actions that prevent people from acting, and people choosing not use use their night kills if it's available.

imma let everyone else take the ball since we're back at square one with no new information to help us move on. i'll follow along and vote accordingly but im done repeating myself

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Reflex there is nothing to talk about? Really?

At the time, I'd certainly say so. There was no imminent threat, in my head. I'm not going to try to draw conclusions from nothing.

 

[Scamp]

At the time, I'd certainly say so. There was no imminent threat, in my head. I'm not going to try to draw conclusions from nothing.

Don't worry at all about, y'know, mafia trying to kill us.

But hey, I guess I can look forward to you doing nothing all game long.

 

[Scamp]

Also Omni if you're going to vote accordingly how come you haven't voted for Chibo yet?

 

[Omni]

Also Omni if you're going to vote accordingly how come you haven't voted for Chibo yet?

explain what u mean

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Don't worry at all about, y'know, mafia trying to kill us.

But hey, I guess I can look forward to you doing nothing all game long.

No lynch does make little sense in this, but despite Chibo's premature ability use, few people seemed willing to use it as an excuse to go against him. His ability would have little power over a bandwagon, so his being quick to use it suggests that he's either really reckless or purposely trying to create a diversion, both of which aren't very scary. An unknown factor is worse for entertainment value, which defeats the point of playing, but I didn't really see much to go after without feeling like a sheep.

 

[Scamp]

See Reflex? That wasn't so hard, was it?

Now talk about what the town should be looking into today.

explain what u mean

What I mean is that you're essentially becoming a sheep for no reason. Technically your vote was still on Chibo at the end of day 1, and since it's like day 1 never ended... you're just giving up and that's got to be considered anti-town.

Not sure about this BS you're spouting on not repeating yourself. There's definitely things that need to be done.

 

[Marc]

^Agreed. I don't think Omni is scum (yet), but giving up is kinda out of character.

I realised a little too late in the Day that no majority means no lynch in this game, but activity shouldn't depend on a small group of people to begin with. I hope everyone feels more of a sense of urgency after a really bad start, because we will need to start lynching if we ever want to win.

I guess my question to the Chibo voters still stand. Do you believe he's scum, or do you believe he's a liability?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I guess my question to the Chibo voters still stand. Do you believe he's scum, or do you believe he's a liability?

I thought about voting for Chibo.

I do not think he is a strong enough threat as it is, regardless of whether or not he's scum or a liability. He's shown his hand already, so it's easy for me to think that he's not for saving the town, which can be taken to heart if our numbers dwindle.

 

[Marc]

That's not sound reasoning. You typically want to get rid of players like that early on, even moreso if they have a vote manipulating ability like Chibo has. We really need to decide now if we want to potentially have him along for the ride in the endgame. I still stand by my opinion that a post restriction + vote manipulation makes him very unlikely to be scum, but independent is possible. Not to mention the fact that I'm as irked about his ability use as everyone else. Not voting just yet, but this is a pressing issue.

 

[swordgard]

Bardull has been looking at this thread an awful lot.


Scamp has been calling people scum for a while and felt like he needed to say he was about to try to get reflex lynched. Trying to get suspicion away from him? Most probable mafia atm imo especially if reflex is also mafia.

Reflex posted during night time without any known punishments. He even posted oops im not supposed to post in the same post. Either this was a super fast edit, or he really wrote it all at once which means he knew he shouldn't be posting thus probably wouldn't have unless it was a posting restriction.

Vote: Scamp

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Man, the day ended horribly for me. For the record I would have voted for Reflex as I checked the thread a half hour before the deadline but I got the 504 error message. At that point I figured "whatever" and went back to sleep. I certainly didn't expect that level of last-second activity.

It looks like there is no vig or SK in this game.


Reflex there is nothing to talk about? Really?

Anyway it's day 2 now, so let's have some fun!

This is EXACTLY what happened to me. Monday morning 9am deadline wasn't cool, especially since none of us really come here on weekends.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Okay, at least I'm remembering not to edit my post. Anyone have any theories on why Dastrn was chosen? Did the mafia know that he was the town cop? Or did they get lucky? This information can lead us somewhere and help us decide on who to bandwagon/pressure. I should re read the rules and see if I can find anything..because frankly im SHOCKED the town cop just happened to be killed, unless they knew his identity!?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Time to lay a few cards on the table, if I'm right (which I'm pretty sure I am) I'm taking a lot of risk here.


There is a tendency for power roles to lay relatively low and not attract attention (mafia tends to try to do either that, or seem to be extremely upstanding members of the community).


I think somebody realized this, and the mafia decided to go for inactives that weren't in their number.


This also suggests something about the people, I'd be highly suspicious of people who were strongly encouraging votes for multiple inactives.

Scamp has been calling people scum for a while and felt like he needed to say he was about to try to get reflex lynched. Trying to get suspicion away from him? Most probable mafia atm imo especially if reflex is also mafia.

You seem to be into random accusations swordgard, any particular reason?

 

[swordgard]

Time to lay a few cards on the table, if I'm right (which I'm pretty sure I am) I'm taking a lot of risk here.


There is a tendency for power roles to lay relatively low and not attract attention (mafia tends to try to do either that, or seem to be extremely upstanding members of the community).


I think somebody realized this, and the mafia decided to go for inactives that weren't in their number.


This also suggests something about the people, I'd be highly suspicious of people who were strongly encouraging votes for multiple inactives.




You seem to be into random accusations swordgard, any particular reason?

TBH, I think if mafia wanted to kill reflex it could have easily been done due to the high number of people that voted for him. This including 3 people I do not think are mafia. Thus imo mafia was protecting reflex. Mafia has no reason to get inactives lynched actually on first day. Mafia could have had easier targets imo. Random accusations? I don't know, seems pretty darn suspicious to me that 2 people "just missed" lynching out reflex and then reflex suddenly becomes active after the 1st night despite him being the main target in day 1 at the end. I'd also be very cautious of people that were "afk for tourneys".

I got nothing against thee but:

unvote
Vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[Omni]

What I mean is that you're essentially becoming a sheep for no reason. Technically your vote was still on Chibo at the end of day 1, and since it's like day 1 never ended... you're just giving up and that's got to be considered anti-town.

Not sure about this BS you're spouting on not repeating yourself. There's definitely things that need to be done.

i'm being lectured from the same guy that casually coasted Day 1 until someone (me) had to push you into participating/contributing.

with more than 4 or 5 days in advance, i explicitly said that bandwagons need to be started so that we can start getting information. i then explicitly said if this does not occur we will come to the end of Day 1 with a really bad lynch choice given the first person we bandwagon to claim will have a higher probability of being town. veteran mafia players know this (chibo, marc, you?) yet all you failed or simply didn't care enough to help get bandwagons going.

so there's nothing BS about me or my playstyle. you're a hypocrite for claiming that things need to be done where you practically did nothing yesterday except get pushed by me into making a large post.

Time to lay a few cards on the table, if I'm right (which I'm pretty sure I am) I'm taking a lot of risk here.


There is a tendency for power roles to lay relatively low and not attract attention (mafia tends to try to do either that, or seem to be extremely upstanding members of the community).


I think somebody realized this, and the mafia decided to go for inactives that weren't in their number.


This also suggests something about the people, I'd be highly suspicious of people who were strongly encouraging votes for multiple inactives.

this post smells.

1.) you're not taking any risk by simply stating what the mafia already knows and what town should be aware of. what you're explaining is called WIFOM. power roles may tend to lie low and not attract attention while power roles may try to stand out in order to remove the impression that they are power roles. it's impossible to distinguish from both a mafia and a town side what kind of role is given based on a person's activity.

2.) "i'd be highly suspicious of people who were strongly encouraging votes for multiple inactives" is a dumb or scum statement. if you're just being dumb realize that inactivity is always anti-town since it reduces the amount of information received. if you're scum then this statement is an attempt to relinquish suspicion onto players who are attempt to promote activity (pro-town) without pointing a direct fingers. it's an indirect assault

not comfortable with your "analysis of what mafia was thinking"

Vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[adumbrodeus]

TBH, I think if mafia wanted to kill reflex it could have easily been done due to the high number of people that voted for him. This including 3 people I do not think are mafia. Thus imo mafia was protecting reflex. Mafia has no reason to get inactives lynched actually on first day. Mafia could have had easier targets imo. Random accusations? I don't know, seems pretty darn suspicious to me that 2 people "just missed" lynching out reflex and then reflex suddenly becomes active after the 1st night despite him being the main target in day 1 at the end. I'd also be very cautious of people that were "afk for tourneys".

I got nothing against thee but:

unvote
Vote: Adumbrodeus

Way to make yourself be even more suspicious, your pattern seems to fit somebody attempting to distract from something, and the only person who didn't see your pattern as suspicious was Omni (again, hrm).


At this point you seem to be lashing out at, well anyone, which town has no reason to do ever, but mafia games something from. If you're an independent the town loses from that behavior anyway.


FOS: Swordguard


No offense.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ninja'd, but what do we have here, the exact people I suspected were Mafia working in collusion as Mafia seem to be going after me at the moment.


I seem to have hit a sore point.