BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[Omni]

i think its obvious why i backed off but itd be nice to hear other people's opinions on it

@everyone: look at the players who are still in the game. if need be reread the thread and view their post. who do you guys find to be the most anti-town in and why

also, this question

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

I can't search FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

whichever inactive it is doens't matter to me.

DarkMusician and Hilt, 4 posts each

*flips coin*

Vote: DarkMusician

 

[adumbrodeus]

The Mafia could have killed Dastrn for many reasons, it could even have been a ****ing coin toss. Speculation about this is moot until there is some kind of noticeable pattern, although it never hurts to look back at what the victim said. Sadly, Dastrn didn't leave us much, which in itself could have been a reason for his demise. I always get a bad feeling with people who dwell on what the Mafia could or could not have been thinking, especially if it's on Day 1 and there is no real basis to any assumption made.

Dragging inactives into the spotlight is a worthwhile effort for now.

Vote: Hilt

I agree, but voting them out I don't like, yet,

i think its obvious why i backed off but itd be nice to hear other people's opinions on it

Well, there's the "you're mafia" explanation, and then there's the "you're townie" explanation.


What I'm more interested in seeing is how many people believe each possibility.

also, this question

Ok, define "anti-town", but under most definitions, I believe I made my opinions on this known already.

 

[Omni]

uh anti-town = not pro town.

for example deliberately looking at a thread and then not posting while having 4 posts = coasting = anti-town because their lack of contribution hides them from being targets and gives us less information on them

also the explanation for why i backed off of you has nothing to do with being town/mafia. i backed off once you "laid your cards on the table" and claimed that there could not be repeats of Cyan. started a wagon on you, got information, and now i'm moving on. you're still stuck on the whole Omni/SG ordeal and either failing to realize what occurred or purposely trying to misconstrue what occurred in the negative limelight.

finally, you don't agree with "voting them out" yet we all saw what happened when no one uses their vote Day 1. absolutely nothing. understand that votes do not = death. a vote can be used as a pressure tactic to force a response. a small bandwagon on you netted some good information between you, myself, sg, and edrees and allows for more conversation. that's the intent and purposes of a vote until we unanimously agree that a certain person is worthy of being lynched after enough consideration

 

[adumbrodeus]

The Mafia could have killed Dastrn for many reasons, it could even have been a ****ing coin toss. Speculation about this is moot until there is some kind of noticeable pattern, although it never hurts to look back at what the victim said. Sadly, Dastrn didn't leave us much, which in itself could have been a reason for his demise. I always get a bad feeling with people who dwell on what the Mafia could or could not have been thinking, especially if it's on Day 1 and there is no real basis to any assumption made.

As I said, my greater concern is how we seem to be mimicing their patterns.


And honestly, it's enough information to connect it to specific people if you paid enough attention to interactions.

 

[Omni]

also are you saying that both swordgard and myself are the two most anti-town players in the game at this point @ Bro

ninja*d

there's nothing for us to mimic. one night action does not constitute a mafia pattern

 

[adumbrodeus]

uh anti-town = not pro town.

for example deliberately looking at a thread and then not posting while having 4 posts = coasting = anti-town because their lack of contribution hides them from being targets and gives us less information on them

also the explanation for why i backed off of you has nothing to do with being town/mafia. i backed off once you "laid your cards on the table" and claimed that there could not be repeats of Cyan. started a wagon on you, got information, and now i'm moving on. you're still stuck on the whole Omni/SG ordeal and either failing to realize what occurred or purposely trying to misconstrue what occurred in the negative limelight.

finally, you don't agree with "voting them out" yet we all saw what happened when no one uses their vote Day 1. absolutely nothing. understand that votes do not = death. a vote can be used as a pressure tactic to force a response. a small bandwagon on you netted some good information between you, myself, sg, and edrees and allows for more conversation. that's the intent and purposes of a vote until we unanimously agree that a certain person is worthy of being lynched after enough consideration

I do see your point as far as the inactives, but at the same time, is it more beneficial overall to go after that group, or players who seem to be mafia that are active? At this point my greater concern is that's the only defining feature DASTRN had, and the most likely case is that they were fishing the inactives.


As for your explanation... I remember instead making myself a target and you bandwagoned on reaction, that suggests that either you were suspicious or I was dangerous.

also are you saying that both swordgard and myself are the two most anti-town players in the game at this point @ Bro

ninja*d

there's nothing for us to mimic. one night action does not constitute a mafia pattern

Well, actually there's a third person on my "most likely Mafia" list, but gonna hold off on him.


Well, I guess it's more practical to say that they imitated us.


Also, I know you edited Omni, it just wasn't noticed by the thread, everything after "ninja*d".

 

[swordgard]

I do see your point as far as the inactives, but at the same time, is it more beneficial overall to go after that group, or players who seem to be mafia that are active? At this point my greater concern is that's the only defining feature DASTRN had, and the most likely case is that they were fishing the inactives.


As for your explanation... I remember instead making myself a target and you bandwagoned on reaction, that suggests that either you were suspicious or I was dangerous.





Well, actually there's a third person on my "most likely Mafia" list, but gonna hold off on him.


Well, I guess it's more practical to say that they imitated us.


Also, I know you edited Omni, it just wasn't noticed by the thread, everything after "ninja*d".

Bandwagons are used to gain info.

unvote
vote: Hilt

 

[adumbrodeus]

Swordgard, from your behavior (constant vote-switching) that definitely wasn't an info-getting bandwagon.



A failed attempt to silence somebody is easy to disguise as a bandwagon. If I'm wrong, prove it, expose the actual mafia.

 

[swordgard]

Swordgard, from your behavior (constant vote-switching) that definitely wasn't an info-getting bandwagon.



A failed attempt to silence somebody is easy to disguise as a bandwagon. If I'm wrong, prove it, expose the actual mafia.

Are thou serious... comon Omni explain it to him seriously. And yeah, exposing the mafia as a "prove me wrong" thing is pretty bad. If it was that simple, it woulda been done already, that's what we are trying to do ... Thou realize silencing someone is a really bad idea in this game...
Till then:

Unvote
vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[Omni]

is this deja vu? first Bardull's smoking gun; now Bro's wifom reasoning.

@Bro: before i ignore you on the basis of wanting to hear more out of other players, why dont you attempt to make a good solid post that represents why you feel both swordgard and i are mafia. feel free to use quotes from the both of us as your supporting evidence unless. as of now, your argument seems weak and way too heavily theory based. also, do you know the definition of WIFOM?

 

[Omni]

o jesus christ

Adumbrodeus, add 1 and 1, dude. look at Swordgard's posting history and figure out why he's voting the way he's voting. i cant believe this whole thing has been based on the fact that you still haven't looked into his voting behavior

 

[adumbrodeus]

Patience, I'm waiting on one more thing to happen, I've actually got a mostly written up post explaining this, but it indicts somebody else as well.

o jesus christ

Adumbrodeus, add 1 and 1, dude. look at Swordgard's posting history and figure out why he's voting the way he's voting. i cant believe this whole thing has been based on the fact that you still haven't looked into his voting behavior

Yes, I have, but what I'm suggesting is that given his behavior, a posting restriction is more likely a cover then anything else, unless you have somebody in mind (as in, where such a posting restriction would fit).

 

[ShadowLink84]

Finally I get online.
Crashboards has been making it a bit difficult.

In anycase, I do believe Adumbrodeus had a point earlier, the mafia killed Dastrn why?
Did he post anything suspicious? No
Did he investigate anyone? No
Did he post? Rarely if ever.

I do think we should also bandwagon the inactive members, we need more information.

Vote: Darkmusician

 

[swordgard]

Patience, I'm waiting on one more thing to happen, I've actually got a mostly written up post explaining this, but it indicts somebody else as well.




Yes, I have, but what I'm suggesting is that given his behavior, a posting restriction is more likely a cover then anything else, unless you have somebody in mind (as in, where such a posting restriction would fit).

I can tell thee I would not be able to link the posting restriction the char myself even if I played FF6. And yes, I am totally masochist enough to put on a voting restriction that got me almost lynched, that OS punished me for once, and is starting to get really annoying.

And yes, I totally paid OS to fake a punishment. Seriously, I don't know if thou are mafia, thou are paranoid, or if thou are just doing it to laugh at me. Whichever the case, get over it.

Unvote
Vote: Darkmusician

 

[adumbrodeus]

He didn't say WHAT you violated.

I'm not suggesting that you don't have a restriction, I'm simply saying that passing off ALL your odd behavior as voting restriction is extremely premature at the moment.

 

[swordgard]

He didn't say WHAT you violated.

I'm not suggesting that you don't have a restriction, I'm simply saying that passing off ALL your odd behavior as voting restriction is extremely premature at the moment.

Thou can go check, its super obvious. I messed up, OS is unforgiving.

unvote
vote:Hilt

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yes, I know you have that, but it's more your accompanying behavior, you acted out each vote as opposted to simply voting. Given that you've made limited posts before, we can assume actually defending your vote isn't part of it.

 

[Darkmusician]

It seems my lack of experience in this game has me with my back against the wall now.

I've been trying really hard to read and find clues to who should be voted for but with everyone switching up their votes I am unsure where to lean my suspicions.

As a side note I have also never played FF6 either so I do not know the quirks and trademarks of the characters.

Needless to say your votes have motivated me to get into this. I don't have anything to contribute at the moment regarding who seems like Mafia, but I promise that I wasn't trying to lay low or anything. It was more uncertainty than anything else.

 

[Omni]

Yes, I know you have that, but it's more your accompanying behavior, you acted out each vote as opposted to simply voting. Given that you've made limited posts before, we can assume actually defending your vote isn't part of it.

again, you're stalling and wasting time. don't give a half-*** case and expect people to understand where you're coming from.

i really think you're pulling stuff out your *** at this point. your explanations and the lack thereof are incomplete, inconsistent, and unhelpful. definitely dont want you around endgame.

It seems my lack of experience in this game has me with my back against the wall now.

I've been trying really hard to read and find clues to who should be voted for but with everyone switching up their votes I am unsure where to lean my suspicions.

As a side note I have also never played FF6 either so I do not know the quirks and trademarks of the characters.

Needless to say your votes have motivated me to get into this. I don't have anything to contribute at the moment regarding who seems like Mafia, but I promise that I wasn't trying to lay low or anything. It was more uncertainty than anything else.

you don't need experience to participate, make comments, and give viewpoints.

the fact that you still have nothing to contribute at this point means you haven't been reading. there has been plenty of debate for you to touch on. if i were you i would get motivated fast and FIND something to contribute. if you're still unable to do anything at this point in the game (which in case you've chosen to do nothing and not even attempt to try) then you're expendable at the end of the day.

scum can play the ignorant/newbie card dangerously. you're not being left off the hook so get to reading and play the game or die

 

[Overswarm]

Just a reminder to everyone: I'm leaving tomorrow for MLG, and cannot actively watch this thread to tally votes or catch people breaking restrictions. I'll do that when I get back.

If for any reason someone gets the maximum amount of votes needed for a lynch while I'm away, the Day ends at that point and we go into Twilight. You can post, but not vote during twilight. If you guys mistakenly miscount and I catch it when I get back, any votes cast after the hammer vote will not count, as the voting phase would end on the hammer vote.

 

[Shaya]

Has there been any one person in this game who hasnt actually posted yet?

Mafia lynching someone inactive rather than (to them) obvious pro-town is unexpected. They either were being merciful (why would they though?) due to the crashboards/whatever or had an idea about Dastrns role.

If only we knew whether or not Dastrn actually attempted to use his role.

Tis Nice we are getting some activity now.

 

[Darkmusician]

@Omni-Very duly noted.

Maybe Dastrn gave something away in his posts about his role? I'm leaning more towards he was chosen because he's a veteran player.

 

[Marc]

Dastrn has played before, but I'm not sure if he can be considered a veteran. It seems most players in this game are new to (SWF) Mafia, so I guess he was relatively experienced. If that's the criterion there would have been more obvious cases though (which I'm not going to list for obvious reasons), unless the Mafia are completely new at this themselves.

Hilt needs to start posting badly. At least DarkMusician is posting now, but I agree with everything Omni said about playing the newbie card. Also waiting for adumbrodeus to expand on his case against Omni, he has me curious now.

 

[Darkmusician]

That is a possibility. It may have been a coincidence. But I'd like to think those kind of things don't happen in this game by chance.

And yeah Omni made a good point about dead weight being useless either way. So I'm just going to be more active and just get in the mix since I read this thread often enough.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Alright, finished rereading, sorry about that.

First off, stop trying to meta so much into Dastrn's death so much. Seeing as how there was only one death during the night, it could've been for any reason. With a group this big, a vigilante wouldn't be surprising. Perhaps HE killed dastrn, and Mafia got blocked. Metagaming too hard into night kills is usually a waste of time and town is often mislead as a result.

adum, why are you set on Omni and SG being scum? It seems more to me that you created the idea of them being scum before you had solid reasoning for it, and then built the reasoning as you went along.

Shadowlink, you get online and do a reread, and that's all you have to say? Speculations on the night kill?

vote: shadowlink

I'd be down for an adum wagon as well if it builds back up

 

[ShadowLink84]

Alright, finished rereading, sorry about that.

First off, stop trying to meta so much into Dastrn's death so much. Seeing as how there was only one death during the night, it could've been for any reason. With a group this big, a vigilante wouldn't be surprising. Perhaps HE killed dastrn, and Mafia got blocked. Metagaming too hard into night kills is usually a waste of time and town is often mislead as a result.

adum, why are you set on Omni and SG being scum? It seems more to me that you created the idea of them being scum before you had solid reasoning for it, and then built the reasoning as you went along.

Shadowlink, you get online and do a reread, and that's all you have to say? Speculations on the night kill?

vote: shadowlink

I'd be down for an adum wagon as well if it builds back up

Correct, that is all I had to say on the matter, primarily because it is as you said, there would be little point in looking further into Dastrn's death as you mentioned.

Let alone that for someone who has been re-reading and seems to have alot to say, you have been unusually quiet.
If you felt time was being wasted by looking into the matter regarding Dastrn's death, why wait for so long?

Just as I mentioned earlier, I have been rather busy, and unlike you I rather dislike repeating the words of every other member before hand just so it can seem as if I am actually saying something of importance.

I find it also unusual that for one who complains about the lack of contribution you have provided an extremely small amount.

unvote
Vote: hilt

 

[Scamp]

Vote: Shaya

Your last post was utter BS.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Correct, that is all I had to say on the matter, primarily because it is as you said, there would be little point in looking further into Dastrn's death as you mentioned.

You missed my point apparently. I was talking about how you made a comment about Dastrn's death, placed a vote, and that was all. Nothing about your suspicions, no comments on anything anyone said. That's what I was talking about.

Let alone that for someone who has been re-reading and seems to have alot to say, you have been unusually quiet.
If you felt time was being wasted by looking into the matter regarding Dastrn's death, why wait for so long?

I just woke up XD my sleep schedule is pretty ****ty, but it's not really possible to post while asleep.

Just as I mentioned earlier, I have been rather busy, and unlike you I rather dislike repeating the words of every other member before hand just so it can seem as if I am actually saying something of importance.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody else said anything about you. If you're referring to the beginning of my post, nobody had acknowledged the fact that it could have been a vigilante kill with mafia being blocked. That wasn't a repeat, but I could be mistaken. I was merely posting why there are too many possibilities to figure out the reason for a death.

I find it also unusual that for one who complains about the lack of contribution you have provided an extremely small amount.

I gave my suspicions, my stance, and put a not-so obvious pressure vote on a player that I felt could contribute more than he did. Getting a little defensive?

 

[BarDulL]

Was out all day, just got finished reading stuff.

I'm very annoyed that Dastrn flipped Town Cop...must be a recurring theme in SWF Mafia where the Town Cop always seems to die first.

In any event, I'll give some insight tomorrow, a little too tired to make a post now.

 

[Shaya]

Vote: Shaya

Your last post was utter BS.

Explain utter bull ****. I know it wasnt exactly the most informative post, but as it has been said multiple times, being quiet is a lot worse than otherwise and those were my thoughts about the night phase at least.

What reaction are you trying to get out of me?

 

[Red Arremer]

Just for the record, I was online when Day 2 started, but I was too tired to post in here. I slept until now. Hence I didn't join the talk until now.

Alright, let's summarize what we have.
Dastrn, the town cop, is dead. This is a very severe loss for town. My personal thoughts on this are easy: Lucky shot, whoever it was (if there's a vig in the game). It's hard to say why they chose Dastrn, and I don't think that there's a pattern to be sighted yet. First kill is first kill, after all. For now we have to retain to the interactions to find suspicious people.

I have played FF6 numerous times, so I'm familiar with the characters and their quirks. To answer Chibo's question: Yes, the "thou"-talk is characteristic for Cyan, he is even made fun of by other characters (Gau I know for sure, I think Sabin too) because of that. I think that's the only recurring line besides Kefka's laughter that could be called characteristic for the game. IIRC Mog didn't even say Kupo that much. As for the roles, it's hard to say. We have 15 roles, and 14 are actual player characters. We can also assume that Kefka isn't around; I think OS is Kefka here. So there's quite a few characters who can be around as last person - Leo, Banon, ????? (the ghost), Ultros (as in the OP), etc.
Furthermore, not every of these roles is likely to have powers. Although these powers seem to be connected to their role somehow. Gau was a blue mage in the game. He was able to learn special abilities from monsters by seeing them. Perhaps this watching would make Gau to the cop. And Mog has different abilities with his dance - so maybe the vote blocking is not the only thing Chibo can do?
However, this is pure speculation and shouldn't be taken for fact.

After the meta, we have the interactions.
adumbrodeus vs. Omni & swordgard is very interesting, to say the least. I'm still on the fence about this one, as I'm curious to hear more, but I tend to think that adumbrodeus is not being scum.

Swordgard's posting restriction probably was placed deliberately because he didn't use it on day 1. The conclusion that he is Cyan is unlikely. If there's a person who uses the posting restrictions as night ability, then he maybe wanted to create the image that he is Cyan. Or he just was being random. We don't know yet.

I'm very suspicious about Hilt and ShadowLink; both don't seem to have a lot to say about what happened during the day, but Hilt strikes me a bit more suspicious due to his more inactiveness, as well as his statement that mafia didn't kill Dastrn.

Vote: Hilt
FoS: ShadowLink

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, if nobody has anything against that, I would like to collect and count the votes during OS's absence.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

but Hilt strikes me a bit more suspicious due to his more inactiveness, as well as his statement that mafia didn't kill Dastrn.

lol is that really what you got from my post? that i was saying that mafia didn't kill dastrn? As I said in my last post, I was naming possibilities that others hadn't mentioned, to show that there are too many to be able to accurately metagame into reasons for night kills. In a closed setup like this, there are way too many possibilities. It's best to scum hunt the old fashioned way. Some of the players realize this but others are still delving into it. That's why I mentioned what I did.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Also, if nobody has anything against that, I would like to collect and count the votes during OS's absence.

That'd be great. It'll definitely be important while he's gone, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well, even if you did it this way, I think that you laying low so much and only coming out to post if you're being attacked is far too suspicious. For my tastes at least.

 

[Red Arremer]

Shaya: Scamp (1)
Adumbrodeus: Edrees (1)
Hilt: .joel, Marc, ShadowLink, swordgard (4)
ShadowLink: Hilt (1)
DarkMusician: Chibo, Omni (2)

It takes 8 to lynch.

 

[Omni]

yet DarkMusician is guilty of the same crime and he isn't mentioned in your post, .joel.

why the preference of Hilt over DarkM?

 

[Red Arremer]

Because Hilt is an experienced player who intends to lay low, while I do believe DM was being honest when saying he was inexperienced.
However if the bandwagon on him builds up more, I'll likely flock my vote to him. For now, Hilt is apparently being bandwagoned, though.

 

[Omni]

Why do think Hilt is intentionally trying to stay low? What reason do you have to believe that DM is being honest with his explanation for not posting?

Swordgard's vote is changing interchangeably between DarkM and Hilt. The only reason why Hilt is the lead bandwagon is because of your recent vote.

I still don't understand your preference of Hilt over DarkM.