BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[Omni]

I'd also be very cautious of people that were "afk for tourneys".

why? this is a bad meta to base what it is scummy and what is not since it is a legit reason for enough players for it to hold weight.

dont look at influences outside of the game too much. inactivity in this game has been severe and pretty legit due to crashboards acting up. instead concentrate on the content of people's posts and their interactions with other players

all aboard the adumbrodeus wagon

 

[swordgard]

Thou< have a very good reasoning Omni. I also feel like for adumbrodeus that was a bit too obvious but I put it on the account of him being a beginner. I am on the other hand pretty sure thou< are a part of town. I am still very suspicious about reflex's post not getting warned or anything, or the whole "oops we just missed lynching him".

Either way for now I will vote for thee<.

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Vote: Omni

 

[adumbrodeus]

So, as a reaction they distance themselves, very obviously, I dunno, seems a little late.

 

[Omni]

wtf @ your post restriction. now you're adding thou's and thee's?

 

[swordgard]

Adumbrodeus, if thou< have not yet figured out why i voted for thee the first time and try to explain that by me being mafia, then thou< has not figured out something I pointed out 2 times so far. Either thou< are making dumb statements again, or thou< really are mafia.

This time I mean it:

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vote adumbrodeus

 

[Omni]

also more responding to my previous posts, Bro.

you're attempting to make a connection due to the point that i recognized Swordgard's posting restriction and you dont. thats bad

so less attempting to divulge suspicion and more responding to my previous post

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

I'm kind of feeling this Adumbrodeus wagon now

Vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[swordgard]

I really am starting to like thee Omni. At least thou<<<<< are most probably not the one who inflicted this to me.

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vote: Omni

 

[EdreesesPieces]

why? this is a bad meta to base what it is scummy and what is not since it is a legit reason for enough players for it to hold weight.

dont look at influences outside of the game too much. inactivity in this game has been severe and pretty legit due to crashboards acting up. instead concentrate on the content of people's posts and their interactions with other players

all aboard the adumbrodeus wagon

I completely agree with this whole thing. I legitly had afk johns. I don't care what you think it is. Do a smashboards search of my post history. I almost never post on sundays. I'm just plain not here. And then the deadline was 9am. The idea that I somehow am in cahoots with Reflex as mafia is pretty far fetched. I am VERY suspicious that Reflex can post at night with no warning though. I thought only certain players were allowed to post at night? If he does not get warned or asked by Omni not to do it agian, I'm gonna have to say he has the ability to post at night.

FoS: Reflex

I'm gonna jump on the adumbrodeus wagon....for now. I'm not convinced, but I'm gonna start puting some pressure now that I finally see things happening.

Vote: adumbrodeus

Oh by the way, I have a question to EVERYBODY. I think this will help us all. Who here has played/beaten FF6? I've beaten the game like 20 times. I just want to see who is familiar with the characters and quotes, and who isn't....I think in a mafia game about FF6, we should know who knows FF6 and doesn't..it really helps. Omni was able to spot Chibo as Mog and Cyan's character from swordgard from the thee's and thou's, for example. Just more knowledge for us all to know what everyone is capable of.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Oh to clarify my first paragraph, I wasn't referring to Omni when I said "I dont care what you think it is" I was referring to swordgard who was the one who said be cautious of people with afk johns. Sorry about that.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

And another mistake, I meant "warned or asked " by Overswarm, not Omni. Gawd. I'm too relent on that edit button to proofread my posts.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm changing the Day 2 deadline to 3 p.m. on Friday, April 23rd, EST (from noon).

I'm not going to let crashboards determine when days end, otherwise I could inadvertantly affect the game, but 9 a.m. is a little early for some people to be posting. Hopefully this'll be easier for other players.




I mention in the rules that warnings and punishments will be given for breaking the rules, but I did not say whether or not they would be public nor that they'd all be the same.

 

[Omni]

Omni was able to spot Chibo as Mog and Cyan's character from swordgard from the thee's and thou's, for example.

how did you know Swordgard was Cyan?

i was under the impression that Swordgard had someone force him to post that way for Day 2 since this was not his typical posting restriction in Day 1

i was able to determine Swordgard's posting restriction from yesterday; not today.

also, bad mistake for revealing SG's character

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Well, I assumed he was Cyan because he's typing withi Thee's and Thou's. That's all. I didn't think people had the power to somehow throw a posting restriction onto others.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

What gave you the idea that someone threw the posting restriction onto him?

 

[Omni]

that sounds sincere enough

maybe im wrong but im working under the impression someone threw this onto him lastNight since this wasnt how he was posting yesterday.

swordgard, confirm or deny?

ninja'd @ Edrees but i think we answered each others questions

 

[swordgard]

I completely agree with this whole thing. I legitly had afk johns. I don't care what you think it is. Do a smashboards search of my post history. I almost never post on sundays. I'm just plain not here. And then the deadline was 9am. The idea that I somehow am in cahoots with Reflex as mafia is pretty far fetched. I am VERY suspicious that Reflex can post at night with no warning though. I thought only certain players were allowed to post at night? If he does not get warned or asked by Omni not to do it agian, I'm gonna have to say he has the ability to post at night.

FoS: Reflex

I'm gonna jump on the adumbrodeus wagon....for now. I'm not convinced, but I'm gonna start puting some pressure now that I finally see things happening.

Vote: adumbrodeus

Oh by the way, I have a question to EVERYBODY. I think this will help us all. Who here has played/beaten FF6? I've beaten the game like 20 times. I just want to see who is familiar with the characters and quotes, and who isn't....I think in a mafia game about FF6, we should know who knows FF6 and doesn't..it really helps. Omni was able to spot Chibo as Mog and Cyan's character from swordgard from the thee's and thou's, for example. Just more knowledge for us all to know what everyone is capable of.

Cyan character? I don't even know who that is. Who is he and whats the link?
This is very important. Just so thou know, I never played FF6.

Also yes its weird reflex can post at night, i think its a post restriction though, otherwise he wouldn't do it for the lulz(makes us suspicious).

For the inactivity johns, I am just saying out of the 5-ish people that had "things to do" one is bound to be lying to stay hidden in the shadows.


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[adumbrodeus]

Is it dumb, or maybe I'm confident in my conclusions?


I really don't expect to live out this next night at this point, cause I know that I've stirred a hornet's nest here, and with all the inactivity I don't exactly have a crowd to blend into here, what with people being so inactive.


If I'm right, then I've made myself a target, and I seem to have made myself a target.


But whatever happens, if I die, my allegiance gets revealed, and my top accusers, if the argument boiled to essentially us or them, then what's the obvious next choice?


My personal character's death is irrelevant, what I care about is my side winning.

1.) you're not taking any risk by simply stating what the mafia already knows and what town should be aware of. what you're explaining is called WIFOM. power roles may tend to lie low and not attract attention while power roles may try to stand out in order to remove the impression that they are power roles. it's impossible to distinguish from both a mafia and a town side what kind of role is given based on a person's activity.

It's one of two possible strategies, but I'm not bringing this up BECAUSE I assumed that the mafia would automatically take this tact, on the contrary, I found it suspicious that the mafia copied the town's lynching strategy, so being suspicious of people calling for lynching of inactives...

[quote[2.) "i'd be highly suspicious of people who were strongly encouraging votes for multiple inactives" is a dumb or scum statement. if you're just being dumb realize that inactivity is always anti-town since it reduces the amount of information received. if you're scum then this statement is an attempt to relinquish suspicion onto players who are attempt to promote activity (pro-town) without pointing a direct fingers. it's an indirect assault

not comfortable with your "analysis of what mafia was thinking"

Vote: Adumbrodeus[/QUOTE]

While it is anti-town, whether it's because of lazyness or hiding is an unknown, and that's the reality.


And again, my suspicion doesn't come from that the mafia killed inactives, instead it's from the fact that the town and the mafia's strategy seems to be similar.

also more responding to my previous posts, Bro.

you're attempting to make a connection due to the point that i recognized Swordgard's posting restriction and you dont. thats bad

so less attempting to divulge suspicion and more responding to my previous post

You gotta hold on, longer posts.

No, you actually defended him beforehand, and you're following a pattern of defending in.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Just because he didn't post that way Day 1 doesn't mean he didn't always have that restriction. I don't think that's necessarily the case. We don't know whether the restriction says how often he is required to do it.

Also I don't understand why it's a mistake. I'm sure a lot of people figured it out themselves. That's why I asked who has played FF6 and who hasn't...so when stuff like that happens, we can know who is in the know and who isn't.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Keep in mind people can be PRETENDING to have restrictions.

 

[swordgard]

I really am starting to like thee Omni. At least thou<<<<< are most probably not the one who inflicted this to me.

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vote: Omni

Once again.

At least thou<<<<< are most probably not the one who inflicted this to me.

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vote: Omni

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Keep in mind people can be PRETENDING to have restrictions.

oh snap...lol. good point

 

[Omni]

Just because he didn't post that way Day 1 doesn't mean he didn't always have that restriction. I don't think that's necessarily the case. We don't know whether the restriction says how often he is required to do it.

Also I don't understand why it's a mistake. I'm sure a lot of people figured it out themselves. That's why I asked who has played FF6 and who hasn't...so when stuff like that happens, we can know who is in the know and who isn't.

then we're assuming that his post restriction.... evolves? lol. if toDay's actions were a part of his restrictions from Yesterday, he would have been modkilled for not following it. posting restrictions usually aren't that complex that they change or evolve daily, and i believe swordgard is confirming that he was hit with it lastNight.

i agree on your point about finding out people who may know about ff6 more. just gotta be careful not to dive too much into flavor

Keep in mind people can be PRETENDING to have restrictions.

very quick to discredit him. why are you more inclined to the shadow of doubt as opposed to believing his case

i'll also respond to your post that u made above soon

 

[swordgard]

He only defended once he understood why I acted so harshly in voting people when he actually voted for me at first. Then he had to explain it to other people that did not catch onto my obvious hints >.>. Seems to me like omni is simply one of the best players here, and probably mafias next target.

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vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[adumbrodeus]

then we're assuming that his post restriction.... evolves? lol. if toDay's actions were a part of his restrictions from Yesterday, he would have been modkilled for not following it. posting restrictions usually aren't that complex that they change or evolve daily, and i believe swordgard is confirming that he was hit with it lastNight.

i agree on your point about finding out people who may know about ff6 more. just gotta be careful not to dive too much into flavor

I've played the game a number of times, it's my favorite FF.

very quick to discredit him. why are you more inclined to the shadow of doubt as opposed to believing his case

i'll also respond to your post that u made above soon

Actually it's because...


Yeah, more cards on the table, I know he's not Cyan unless there's repetition in roles.


Can anyone think of any other characters that might have that sort of restriction?

 

[Omni]

tho there seems to be a bit of inconsistency in his new posting restriction

Bardull has been looking at this thread an awful lot.


Scamp has been calling people scum for a while and felt like he needed to say he was about to try to get reflex lynched. Trying to get suspicion away from him? Most probable mafia atm imo especially if reflex is also mafia.

Reflex posted during night time without any known punishments. He even posted oops im not supposed to post in the same post. Either this was a super fast edit, or he really wrote it all at once which means he knew he shouldn't be posting thus probably wouldn't have unless it was a posting restriction.

Vote: Scamp

so if u got hit by this lastNight, SG, then you should have been following the restriction from the get go

mind explaining the changes and uses of "thous" and not using them? its confusing

 

[swordgard]

tho there seems to be a bit of inconsistency in his new posting restriction



so if u got hit by this lastNight, SG, then you should have been following the restriction from the get go

mind explaining the changes and uses of "thous" and not using them? its confusing

I am not forced to use them, but I am also not allowed to not use them when I need to(think about it its simpler than thou<<< think).

 

[Omni]

lol @ bro. well thats what we call information tho i feel u played your cards too early. bandwagons do not mean death. anyone who is quick to hammer a person who is near lynch so early in the day is ousting themselves to be a quicklynching mafia player so dont be too quick on the trigger without having more people talk about the bandwagon

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ok this going well. im sensing an alarming town conversation based on our immediately responses and eagerness to continue prying

 

[swordgard]

EBWOP


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vote: omni



HAVE MERCY OS

 

[Omni]

lmfao.

alright, so lets slow down and attempt to back up from the flavor of posting restrictions/ff6 stuff. also lets get more people involved

@everyone: look at the players who are still in the game. if need be reread the thread and view their post. who do you guys find to be the most anti-town in and why

 

[adumbrodeus]

I know.


But didn't you listen, I already painted a big target on my chest, and I strongly suspect that's exactly why you're backing off at the moment.


Heck, I was surprised that I didn't get killed by mafia yesterday, Scamp forced me to reveal a lot more then I would've liked to about how I had a strong picture of at least mafia mindset.



And yes, there are exactly two possible reasons why I'd know who Cyan is, though mafia already dealt with the town cop... did he learn what character you were through investigation or just allegiance?

 

[Overswarm]

Swordgard has messed up with a posting restriction, and has received an unknown punishment. He is not modkilled.

Careful.

 

[Omni]

big target on chest = huge doc target. stop acting like you're already dead, silly

help me find some scum

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

Oh by the way, I have a question to EVERYBODY. I think this will help us all. Who here has played/beaten FF6? I've beaten the game like 20 times. I just want to see who is familiar with the characters and quotes, and who isn't....I think in a mafia game about FF6, we should know who knows FF6 and doesn't..it really helps. Omni was able to spot Chibo as Mog and Cyan's character from swordgard from the thee's and thou's, for example. Just more knowledge for us all to know what everyone is capable of.

Never got more than an hour or two into the game for some reason, though I'm still very familiar with it, and I'm certainly no stranger to FF games as I've played and beaten a ton of them.

I don't remember anyone saying Swordgard was Cyan though, and I think there isn't much of a good reason to say that.

how did you know Swordgard was Cyan?

i was under the impression that Swordgard had someone force him to post that way for Day 2 since this was not his typical posting restriction in Day 1

i was able to determine Swordgard's posting restriction from yesterday; not today.

also, bad mistake for revealing SG's character

I wouldn't go as far as to say his character is Cyan. If he had that restriction since D1 then possibly.

Well, I assumed he was Cyan because he's typing withi Thee's and Thou's. That's all. I didn't think people had the power to somehow throw a posting restriction onto others.

Did Cyan really use them that much in the game to where it was characteristic of him? Let's face it, thees and thous and stuff are no where near as characteristic as having to say kupo! in every **** post lol

I really don't expect to live out this next night at this point, cause I know that I've stirred a hornet's nest here, and with all the inactivity I don't exactly have a crowd to blend into here, what with people being so inactive.


If I'm right, then I've made myself a target, and I seem to have made myself a target.


But whatever happens, if I die, my allegiance gets revealed, and my top accusers, if the argument boiled to essentially us or them, then what's the obvious next choice?


My personal character's death is irrelevant, what I care about is my side winning.

I don't really like this kind of talk, though it's making me uneasy overall.

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People shouldn't rely on flavor so much. Especially as a new player I can understand how you would think it does, but remove all the names and such and it's still a basic mafia game with whatever roles. Flavor can help a bit certainly, but don't make it your priority.

Innactives are still gettin' by it seems and I'm not liking it.

 

[adumbrodeus]

big target on chest = huge doc target. stop acting like you're already dead, silly

help me find some scum

Except we don't even know if we have a doctor this game.


Otherwise I'd be a bit more confident in my survival.

 

[swordgard]

lmfao.

alright, so lets slow down and attempt to back up from the flavor of posting restrictions/ff6 stuff. also lets get more people involved

@everyone: look at the players who are still in the game. if need be reread the thread and view their post. who do you guys find to be the most anti-town in and why

I have to translate some words from new to old english, because if I don't I might be in trouble. I am pretty sure thee already know which one by now. It all depends on how I formulate my sentences, and I can't mess up so at first I decided not to use some words, only to realize its better to share it with the public as it might hint us to something.

Apparently I am allowed to tell more than I expected.


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vote: Chibosempai



On another note, adumbrodeus I really think thee were far from mafias priority list. Thou are being paranoid here. Thou haven't revealed anything compared to some of us. Man this is ******** I have to control F all of my messages to not make any mistakes ... And apparently its permanant.

 

[Omni]

Except we don't even know if we have a doctor this game.


Otherwise I'd be a bit more confident in my survival.

considering this is final fantsay mafia, there is most likely a white mage type character. i have never been in a mafia game where there hasn't been some sort of protective role so i wouldn't worry about that too much. again, just answer the question i posed to everyone above so we can get the ball rolling

@chibo: i agree about what u said about inactive players.

Vote: Darkmusician

i have seen this guy peek into this thread several times without posting on a more consistent basis that's past my liking. gonna go view his post history and see if there's any merit for his wagon

 

[adumbrodeus]

considering this is final fantsay mafia, there is most likely a white mage type character. i have never been in a mafia game where there hasn't been some sort of protective role so i wouldn't worry about that too much. again, just answer the question i posed to everyone above so we can get the ball rolling

@chibo: i agree about what u said about inactive players.

Vote: Darkmusician

i have seen this guy peek into this thread several times without posting on a more consistent basis that's past my liking. gonna go view his post history and see if there's any merit for his wagon

No white Mage in FF6, and I don't think Celes really qualifies for it, but maybe.

Again, I'm just not counting on anything.


Regardless, for those who aren't keeping track, I pretty much accused omni and swordgard, what do the rest of you make at them backing off?



And what question, ff6 knowledge?

Already answered, extremely familiar, favorite in the series by far.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Also, I'm gonna stress again, the mafia seems to have targeted relative inactives, should we be following their strategy?

 

[Marc]

Fast topic is fast. I'll touch on a few things before leaving for work:

I've played FF6 years ago and I still remember the most relevant parts (main characters, plot), but I doubt fluff is going to be that helpful. Case in point, why was Gau a Cop?

The Mafia could have killed Dastrn for many reasons, it could even have been a ****ing coin toss. Speculation about this is moot until there is some kind of noticeable pattern, although it never hurts to look back at what the victim said. Sadly, Dastrn didn't leave us much, which in itself could have been a reason for his demise. I always get a bad feeling with people who dwell on what the Mafia could or could not have been thinking, especially if it's on Day 1 and there is no real basis to any assumption made.

Stop rolefishing whenever you notice a posting restriction. More often than not they're given to Townies. You don't want to know anyone else's name or power unless you're Mafia. We also don't want to talk about power roles that may or may not be in the game.

Dragging inactives into the spotlight is a worthwhile effort for now.

Vote: Hilt